RJ's Upside

[GreatWhiteStiff]

For anyone who cares:

Since 12/31/21 Barret is averaging 22.9 PPG 6.1 RPG 3.2 APG 44.1 FG% 37.6% 3PT%

My math could be wrong but I do believe his TS% is .543 in that time for you analytics dudes and duddettes

.540

Which to be fair is still below average (average this year is .559), but that would give him a TS+ of 97 (100 is average), which is an improvement from 93 last year.

That strikes me as really sad. You have to take this nested sample of games where he's done well and his TS% needs to improve by 2 or 5 percent or whatever to get to league average. Not good just league average.

[F N 11]

A very good nba player.

[BugginOut]

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By basically any metric you look at he is one of the most clutch if not the clutchest player in the league

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=FG_PCT&dir=-1&CF=FGA*G*1&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

He more efficient and scores more points in the clutch than Steph Curry, Donovan Mitchell, Luka, James Harden, Jimmy Butler, Giannis, KAT, etc.

He also has the 2nd highest FG% in THE ENTIRE LEAGUE for players who take one FGA in clutch situations, right after Devin Booker.

[nyk2017]

The problem with RJ will be that he isn't athletic and can't shoot FT's. If he can't get his FT's up to 80% range, he will be no better than #3 option on a championship team. In the playoffs, teams will force him to his right and make him shoot FT's every time he drives to the basket. These are both his achilles heel (at least at his current stage of development). To take the giant step up to the next level, he need to hit his 3's at 40-42% clip, shoot 80% from FT line and develop a reliable step back jumper. Only then will he move up to a number #2 or #1 option.

[Clyde_Style]

The problem with RJ will be that he isn't athletic and can't shoot FT's. If he can't get his FT's up to 80% range, he will be no better than #3 option on a championship team. In the playoffs, teams will force him to his right and make him shoot FT's every time he drives to the basket. These are both his achilles heel (at least at his current stage of development). To take the giant step up to the next level, he need to hit his 3's at 40-42% clip, shoot 80% from FT line and develop a reliable step back jumper. Only then will he move up to a number #2 or #1 option.

CHILL OUT. He attained those 3 % last season already and his FT % will climb over time. The guy is methodical at upgrading his skills.

[dakomish23]

As long as Randle is here he should be # 2 to RJ

RJ is the clear # 1 on this current roster. Play that way and he’ll keep improving until he’s a star

It felt like they were 1 & 1A last year. B/W Mitch or Noel not needing the ball, Elfird useless & Bullock spotting up for 3’s, these two controlled the rock.

Last year rj was def no.2, basically used as a floor spreader playing off randles gravity

I didn’t think that. Randle was #1 but RJ had the ball a lot in his hands. Would create for other players or get his own shot.

[RHODEY]

It just occurred to me that RJ made moves in this last game that reminded me of Dwayne Wade

Yes with a little dream shake mixed in

[RHODEY]

The problem with RJ will be that he isn't athletic and can't shoot FT's. If he can't get his FT's up to 80% range, he will be no better than #3 option on a championship team. In the playoffs, teams will force him to his right and make him shoot FT's every time he drives to the basket. These are both his achilles heel (at least at his current stage of development). To take the giant step up to the next level, he need to hit his 3's at 40-42% clip, shoot 80% from FT line and develop a reliable step back jumper. Only then will he move up to a number #2 or #1 option.

CHILL OUT. He attained those 3 % last season already and his FT % will climb over time. The guy is methodical at upgrading his skills.

He doesn't have much time to improve he's already 21!

[dakomish23]

My math could be wrong but I do believe his TS% is .543 in that time for you analytics dudes and duddettes

.540

Which to be fair is still below average (average this year is .559), but that would give him a TS+ of 97 (100 is average), which is an improvement from 93 last year.

That strikes me as really sad. You have to take this nested sample of games where he's done well and his TS% needs to improve by 2 or 5 percent or whatever to get to league average. Not good just league average.

take into account the subpar FT shooting dragging him down. If he gets back to hovering around 75% , his TS % should bump up to near 60%

His efg is a solid 50%.

(FG + (0.5 * 3P)) / FGA
(129 + (0.5 * 38)) / 295

[Clyde_Style]

The problem with RJ will be that he isn't athletic and can't shoot FT's. If he can't get his FT's up to 80% range, he will be no better than #3 option on a championship team. In the playoffs, teams will force him to his right and make him shoot FT's every time he drives to the basket. These are both his achilles heel (at least at his current stage of development). To take the giant step up to the next level, he need to hit his 3's at 40-42% clip, shoot 80% from FT line and develop a reliable step back jumper. Only then will he move up to a number #2 or #1 option.

CHILL OUT. He attained those 3 % last season already and his FT % will climb over time. The guy is methodical at upgrading his skills.

He doesn't have much time to improve he's already 21!

You’re right. It’s too late. RJ’s ship has sailed. I won’t ever again get emotionally invested in a player unless they are fully developed by 19

[Jalen Bluntson]

CHILL OUT. He attained those 3 % last season already and his FT % will climb over time. The guy is methodical at upgrading his skills.

He doesn't have much time to improve he's already 21!

You’re right. It’s too late. RJ’s ship has sailed. I won’t ever again get emotionally invested in a player unless they are fully developed by 19

RJ should be in his third all-star game by now.

[RHODEY]

CHILL OUT. He attained those 3 % last season already and his FT % will climb over time. The guy is methodical at upgrading his skills.

He doesn't have much time to improve he's already 21!

You’re right. It’s too late. RJ’s ship has sailed. I won’t ever again get emotionally invested in a player unless they are fully developed by 19

The problem with Luka, Duncan, and Larry Bird is that they were all 20 years and older as rooks AND they were not athletic. Now Harold Miner...that boy was a GOAT!

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[Oscirus]

He doesn't have much time to improve he's already 21!

You’re right. It’s too late. RJ’s ship has sailed. I won’t ever again get emotionally invested in a player unless they are fully developed by 19

RJ should be in his third all-star game by now.

Derek rose was already a mvp by this point in his career, wtf rj?

[nyk2017]

The problem with RJ will be that he isn't athletic and can't shoot FT's. If he can't get his FT's up to 80% range, he will be no better than #3 option on a championship team. In the playoffs, teams will force him to his right and make him shoot FT's every time he drives to the basket. These are both his achilles heel (at least at his current stage of development). To take the giant step up to the next level, he need to hit his 3's at 40-42% clip, shoot 80% from FT line and develop a reliable step back jumper. Only then will he move up to a number #2 or #1 option.

CHILL OUT. He attained those 3 % last season already and his FT % will climb over time. The guy is methodical at upgrading his skills.

Well, this offseason, RJ will be eligible for a contract extension. What should he get? Max contract and hope he develops into a franchise player of a Mikal Bridges type of extension (4 years $80-90 million)?

[Oscirus]

The problem with RJ will be that he isn't athletic and can't shoot FT's. If he can't get his FT's up to 80% range, he will be no better than #3 option on a championship team. In the playoffs, teams will force him to his right and make him shoot FT's every time he drives to the basket. These are both his achilles heel (at least at his current stage of development). To take the giant step up to the next level, he need to hit his 3's at 40-42% clip, shoot 80% from FT line and develop a reliable step back jumper. Only then will he move up to a number #2 or #1 option.

CHILL OUT. He attained those 3 % last season already and his FT % will climb over time. The guy is methodical at upgrading his skills.

Well, this offseason, RJ will be eligible for a contract extension. What should he get? Max contract and hope he develops into a franchise player of a Mikal Bridges type of extension (4 years $80-90 million)?

Just cuz he's eligible doesnt mean he has to get it this offseason.
Besides, do people think that rj gonna sign the rookie max and just fall off the face of the earth?

[BugginOut]

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[dakomish23]

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[moocow007]

My math could be wrong but I do believe his TS% is .543 in that time for you analytics dudes and duddettes

.540

Which to be fair is still below average (average this year is .559), but that would give him a TS+ of 97 (100 is average), which is an improvement from 93 last year.

That strikes me as really sad. You have to take this nested sample of games where he's done well and his TS% needs to improve by 2 or 5 percent or whatever to get to league average. Not good just league average.

On the plus side, you have to realize that he has to really work for his baskets considering the Knicks only real PG is their starting PF.

[Fury]

My math could be wrong but I do believe his TS% is .543 in that time for you analytics dudes and duddettes

.540

Which to be fair is still below average (average this year is .559), but that would give him a TS+ of 97 (100 is average), which is an improvement from 93 last year.

That strikes me as really sad. You have to take this nested sample of games where he's done well and his TS% needs to improve by 2 or 5 percent or whatever to get to league average. Not good just league average.

With TS% it's tricky because some of those guys near the top are spot shooters, or dudes who get good looks. With RJ's usage, it's not too bad.

[Meat]

do we even have an idea of rj's upside without a decent pg? i mean i hate fox on the knicks, but i **** hate the idea of another day of randle hampering rj's development.