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Jermaine Johnson and one of the top 2 OL is what the giants need. Forget about trading down. Giants need high end talent fist and for most. Worry about adding depth in the later rounds.

I think you can still get a good Olineman and pass rush even if you trade down with one of the picks. We don't even know if JJ is top 10 guy yet. I really like him and he is shooting up the boards. So we might have to use 7 on him with the way he has shown out at SB.

But if you want ammo to eventually be able to trade up for the QB you want in the future it makes sense to build up that war chest.

You don’t believe in DJ?

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Jermaine Johnson and one of the top 2 OL is what the giants need. Forget about trading down. Giants need high end talent fist and for most. Worry about adding depth in the later rounds.

I think you can still get a good Olineman and pass rush even if you trade down with one of the picks. We don't even know if JJ is top 10 guy yet. I really like him and he is shooting up the boards. So we might have to use 7 on him with the way he has shown out at SB.

But if you want ammo to eventually be able to trade up for the QB you want in the future it makes sense to build up that war chest.

You don’t believe in DJ?

2 things about that.

He has had zero chance to succeed in NY (his weapons always hurt and has probably played behind the worst offensive in the sport).

However, I wouldn't hesitate to get a better QB if there is one on the board.

I think we can agree he has gotten the sh*t end of the stick here but I think we can also agree that he is nowhere near the level of QB of the Mahomes/Allen/Herbert/Burrow types.

I just don't think any QB in this class currently is a higher rated prospect then DJ when he was coming out. So I wouldn't select on this year. I would invest in the OL and DL (with potential trade back options).

But there is a good chance we wont be good next year and Daniel Jones 5th year option will be coming up and it will be significant dollars. I might very much consider resetting the teams clock with selecting a rookie QB in the 2023 draft class which is suppose to be really good. So to prepare for that class I would ideally like to have extra draft capital in 2023 in case we need to trade up.

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apparently he’s very smart when it comes to offense schemes and will eventually be an offensive coordinator

the giants are loading up with a lot of new school offense approach guys

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We got Wink!

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I love Fangio, but I'm a fan of Wink too. Runs similar concepts to Graham, but way more aggressive.

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I love Fangio, but I'm a fan of Wink too. Runs similar concepts to Graham, but way more aggressive.

outside of a 3-4 I think they run completely different schemes.

For example Graham is a soft zone coverage bend but dont break style defense.

Wink is a blitz heavy man 2 man guy out of the 3-4 scheme.

So expect a complete overhaul of the defensive roster.

I would guess any high priced defensive players are on the block or potentially get cut.

Wink wants multiple defenders that can blitz and corners that can be trusted in man coverage.

I would expect Bradberry (trade) and Martinez (cut) as too very likely things to happen because they aren't scheme fits for Wink's defense and make a lot of money.

I wouldn't rule out a CB high in the draft now either...since Wink puts a lot of his secondary to do what he wants to do in terms of manufacturing pressure.

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I love Fangio, but I'm a fan of Wink too. Runs similar concepts to Graham, but way more aggressive.

outside of a 3-4 I think they run completely different schemes.

For example Graham is a soft zone coverage bend but dont break style defense.

Wink is a blitz heavy man 2 man guy out of the 3-4 scheme.

So expect a complete overhaul of the defensive roster.

I would guess any high priced defensive players are on the block or potentially get cut.

Wink wants multiple defenders that can blitz and corners that can be trusted in man coverage.

I would expect Bradberry (trade) and Martinez (cut) as too very likely things to happen because they aren't scheme fits for Wink's defense and make a lot of money.

I wouldn't rule out a CB high in the draft now either...since Wink puts a lot of his secondary to do what he wants to do in terms of manufacturing pressure.

Did Graham always run a "bend don't break" or was that because he had no pass rush with us?

From what I recall, Graham was super blitz happy the first 2-3 games of the season, but we couldn't get to the QB so we got shredded. He then sat back in the zone.

Wink will need the same changes that Graham would have needed to run his actual system.

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I love Fangio, but I'm a fan of Wink too. Runs similar concepts to Graham, but way more aggressive.

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I love Fangio, but I'm a fan of Wink too. Runs similar concepts to Graham, but way more aggressive.

outside of a 3-4 I think they run completely different schemes.

For example Graham is a soft zone coverage bend but dont break style defense.

Wink is a blitz heavy man 2 man guy out of the 3-4 scheme.

So expect a complete overhaul of the defensive roster.

I would guess any high priced defensive players are on the block or potentially get cut.

Wink wants multiple defenders that can blitz and corners that can be trusted in man coverage.

I would expect Bradberry (trade) and Martinez (cut) as too very likely things to happen because they aren't scheme fits for Wink's defense and make a lot of money.

I wouldn't rule out a CB high in the draft now either...since Wink puts a lot of his secondary to do what he wants to do in terms of manufacturing pressure.

Did Graham always run a "bend don't break" or was that because he had no pass rush with us?

From what I recall, Graham was super blitz happy the first 2-3 games of the season, but we couldn't get to the QB so we got shredded. He then sat back in the zone.

Wink will need the same changes that Graham would have needed to run his actual system.

Wink doesn't really need high end pass rushers though because he manufacturers pressure with exotic blitzes.

He just needs a trustworthy secondary. He had top defensive in the league all up until last year because the ravens secondary was riddled with injuries but Wink did not adjust he just kept sending blitzes

I think in Miami Graham still ranked in the middle of the back in terms of blitzes and he is one of the top in terms of 3 man pressures.

Graham had a trust worthy secondary this year he just doesn't send exotic blitzes....not his scheme. And he likes to run a lot of zone coverages.

For example in 2019 when Wink was in BAL and Graham was in MIA.

Wink ran DB blitzes 28% of the time. The next highest in the league was 18%. He is a high risk high reward defense. Which I don't mind because QB's now pick apart soft zone defenses. Its why the Giants were a disaster in 2-minute situations.

I guess what I'm trying to say is Patrick Grahams defense requires big time edge guys to win there matchups to get pressure. Wink will get pressure just on sheer volume of his blitzes.

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outside of a 3-4 I think they run completely different schemes.

For example Graham is a soft zone coverage bend but dont break style defense.

Wink is a blitz heavy man 2 man guy out of the 3-4 scheme.

So expect a complete overhaul of the defensive roster.

I would guess any high priced defensive players are on the block or potentially get cut.

Wink wants multiple defenders that can blitz and corners that can be trusted in man coverage.

I would expect Bradberry (trade) and Martinez (cut) as too very likely things to happen because they aren't scheme fits for Wink's defense and make a lot of money.

I wouldn't rule out a CB high in the draft now either...since Wink puts a lot of his secondary to do what he wants to do in terms of manufacturing pressure.

Did Graham always run a "bend don't break" or was that because he had no pass rush with us?

From what I recall, Graham was super blitz happy the first 2-3 games of the season, but we couldn't get to the QB so we got shredded. He then sat back in the zone.

Wink will need the same changes that Graham would have needed to run his actual system.

Wink doesn't really need high end pass rushers though because he manufacturers pressure with exotic blitzes.

He just needs a trustworthy secondary. He had top defensive in the league all up until last year because the ravens secondary was riddled with injuries but Wink did not adjust he just kept sending blitzes

I think in Miami Graham still ranked in the middle of the back in terms of blitzes and he is one of the top in terms of 3 man pressures.

Graham had a trust worthy secondary this year he just doesn't send exotic blitzes....not his scheme. And he likes to run a lot of zone coverages.

For example in 2019 when Wink was in BAL and Graham was in MIA.

Wink ran DB blitzes 28% of the time. The next highest in the league was 18%. He is a high risk high reward defense. Which I don't mind because QB's now pick apart soft zone defenses. Its why the Giants were a disaster in 2-minute situations.

I guess what I'm trying to say is Patrick Grahams defense requires big time edge guys to win there matchups to get pressure. Wink will get pressure just on sheer volume of his blitzes.

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On-field performance is important, but it is far from the only factor in the overall evaluation. As Schoen noted, the interviews with players at night are just as significant. Teams are making a major investment in a player when they draft him, so it is vital that they know everything they can about who he is as a person first. Spending more time around the players allows for teams to gain as much information as possible about who they are both on and off the field.

When it comes to the types of players he would like to add to the Giants roster, Schoen was very clear on the traits he feels are important.

"Smart, tough and dependable," Schoen told Schmeelk. "Guys that are smart, tough and dependable that care about football, that care about their teammates. It's not so much about the glitz and the glamor that comes with it. But have some leadership to you when maybe things are going wrong or teammates aren't doing it well, someone that will right the ship and get the team headed back in the right direction. Those are the types of players that we're looking at…

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Did Graham always run a "bend don't break" or was that because he had no pass rush with us?

From what I recall, Graham was super blitz happy the first 2-3 games of the season, but we couldn't get to the QB so we got shredded. He then sat back in the zone.

Wink will need the same changes that Graham would have needed to run his actual system.

Wink doesn't really need high end pass rushers though because he manufacturers pressure with exotic blitzes.

He just needs a trustworthy secondary. He had top defensive in the league all up until last year because the ravens secondary was riddled with injuries but Wink did not adjust he just kept sending blitzes

I think in Miami Graham still ranked in the middle of the back in terms of blitzes and he is one of the top in terms of 3 man pressures.

Graham had a trust worthy secondary this year he just doesn't send exotic blitzes....not his scheme. And he likes to run a lot of zone coverages.

For example in 2019 when Wink was in BAL and Graham was in MIA.

Wink ran DB blitzes 28% of the time. The next highest in the league was 18%. He is a high risk high reward defense. Which I don't mind because QB's now pick apart soft zone defenses. Its why the Giants were a disaster in 2-minute situations.

I guess what I'm trying to say is Patrick Grahams defense requires big time edge guys to win there matchups to get pressure. Wink will get pressure just on sheer volume of his blitzes.

If anything I would compare Wink to Spags when he was here. I know spags was a 4-3 guy...but similar agressive defense. Blitzes coming from a lot of different places. Will give up big plays but he will be overly agressive.

I think Baltimore blitzed like 50% of the time on average and led the league in zero blitzes. He is a disciple of rex ryan. So I expect the giants to makes sure there secondary is strong...and get athletic smaller quick twitch LB/edge guys. For example Oweh who baltimore selected last year probably isn't a typical giants edge guy. Thin and quick. They like bigger guys like Ojalari...wink wants guys that can stand up and can move around and blitz from wherever.

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A lot can change between now and April 28 but given the situation surrounding the Giants' roster and cap space, it sounds as if Schoen wants as many picks as possible in this year's draft.

"I would say where we are right now, as many at-bats as you can get, as many swings as you can get, I think that's important where we are as a team," he said. "Again, I don't think you're ever one player away. But if it's the second round and there's a player you gave a first-round grade to and you think that highly of him, then I think you go get him.

"I'm open to moving up, moving back, whatever it may be, as long as I can sleep good at night with the decision that I make. If I move back and I end up losing out on a player I like, I have to be able to live with that, or stay and take a guy or go up and get him. Again, if you're drafting good players and you're confident and convicted in your decision, then you'll sleep good at night."

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A lot can change between now and April 28 but given the situation surrounding the Giants' roster and cap space, it sounds as if Schoen wants as many picks as possible in this year's draft.

"I would say where we are right now, as many at-bats as you can get, as many swings as you can get, I think that's important where we are as a team," he said. "Again, I don't think you're ever one player away. But if it's the second round and there's a player you gave a first-round grade to and you think that highly of him, then I think you go get him.

"I'm open to moving up, moving back, whatever it may be, as long as I can sleep good at night with the decision that I make. If I move back and I end up losing out on a player I like, I have to be able to live with that, or stay and take a guy or go up and get him. Again, if you're drafting good players and you're confident and convicted in your decision, then you'll sleep good at night."

Schoen said the giants need to clear at least 40 MM off the roster. There will be a ton of players cut and we will need to replace them with cheap rookies. I hope they can find a deal to trade back from either 5 or 7. Need to add more picks and more cheap young players to a roster full of overpaid useless players.

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Dex and Leo gotta actually pressure and we gotta get some lock down corners.

One of those corners could be in play early.

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A lot can change between now and April 28 but given the situation surrounding the Giants' roster and cap space, it sounds as if Schoen wants as many picks as possible in this year's draft.

"I would say where we are right now, as many at-bats as you can get, as many swings as you can get, I think that's important where we are as a team," he said. "Again, I don't think you're ever one player away. But if it's the second round and there's a player you gave a first-round grade to and you think that highly of him, then I think you go get him.

"I'm open to moving up, moving back, whatever it may be, as long as I can sleep good at night with the decision that I make. If I move back and I end up losing out on a player I like, I have to be able to live with that, or stay and take a guy or go up and get him. Again, if you're drafting good players and you're confident and convicted in your decision, then you'll sleep good at night."

Schoen is basically the type of front office the Knicks need smh

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Dex and Leo gotta actually pressure and we gotta get some lock down corners.

One of those corners could be in play early.

I think Adoree Jackson fits Wink's scheme. Bradberry doesn't. And Bradberry has a large cap number. I would expect the Giants to shop bradberry since I think he has value around the league. Get a mid round pick for him and find another corner that fits Wink's scheme.

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Yeah, I want them to trade back. Get as many picks in the 2nd & 3rd & late 1st, load up on O-Line and DB/LB

I wonder if they move on from Golladay and Shepard - we may need a WR to go with Kadarius and Slayton but I'd rather sign a cheap Vet instead of draft one.