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thebuzzardman wrote:Oscirus wrote:Im not even supporting a rebuild anymore cuz this front office aint it. Perry's been in the talent collection portion of this build since he got here
Mudiay
Spanish Mudiay
Duke Mudiay
Jimmit79 wrote:At this point I want RJ to get paid
HopelessKnick wrote:Kampuchea wrote:Cam Reddish with the -21, IQ with the -20
Reddish seems like a chucker, IQ tricked us with a good stretch last season. Hope we can get some value for Burks, Kemba, IQ.
And Toppin is a decent finisher but really does nothing else well. Can't shoot, defend or rebound. I wouldn't mind if Obi and IQ are moved before they get more exposed for being below average.
I somewhat agree and disagree at the same time. Put a real PG on this squad and all of a sudden their strengths outweight their weaknesses in contrast to it being the other way around.
thebuzzardman wrote:dakomish23 wrote:Wally proudly flaunting his ignorance. "they're not playmakers".
They're literally the only playmakers on this team and we won a lot with them as our primary playmakers last year.
What an idiotic take
Last year was fluky and I'm come around to the fact that though we were on a 48 win pace in an 82 game season, the combination of Rose and the team firing on every single cylinder and some luck probably pumped into about 6 wins about who it really was. A .500 team.
I don't think Wally is all wrong here. I mean, Randle and RJ CAN playmake. But I dont' think too many teams want to really rely on them to be the primary playmakers. It's one of the reasons why the Rose trade made the Knicks so much better. It put Randle and RJ into part time playmaking category.
I think that's what he was getting out. It's just that Wally is always hyperbolic because he's a big doofus.
Knicks need a PG. One who is young enough that they can play 30 mpg every game and not be hurt.
They could even probably get away with Fournier being a sieve on defense with just that move, which we know isn't happening.
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
Fat Kat wrote:
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
thebuzzardman wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:Cam has a lot of good tools, but is all over the place. There were good moments and bad moments. He needs to put it all together, find his niche. Its one of those things where nobody knows if he'll do it or not, or just be lost.
Pretty much game 1 for us. Needs consistent minutes though
This is the Scott Perry player profile.
Mudiay. Physical. Talented. Couldn't put it together.
Herzonja, aka Spanish Mudiay. Nice height.Athletic. Possessing skills. Couldn't put it all together.
Cam: See above.
Oscirus wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:Oscirus wrote:Im not even supporting a rebuild anymore cuz this front office aint it. Perry's been in the talent collection portion of this build since he got here
Mudiay
Spanish Mudiay
Duke Mudiay
yea that plan of collecting failed lottery picks in their third/fourth year doesnt seem to be working, time for a new strategy
RIP mags Spree2Houston wrote:Dantoni would do wonders with this team
Jimmit79 wrote:At this point I want RJ to get paid
Oscirus wrote:Spree2Houston wrote:Dantoni would do wonders with this team
randle would give dantoni a heart attack with the way he slows down the offense
Fat Kat wrote:RHODEY wrote:Fat Kat wrote:The team isn’t very good. Everyone is at 1 step below the level of player folks think they are. Quickley is a seventh or eighth man. Randle and Barrett are 3rd options and Mitch is a serviceable center. Nothing more
17 points 21 Rebounds and 3 blks....says Mitch is more than just serviceable.
Love Mitch, but he’s averaging 8&8 and is injury prone. Love the defense, but he’s just serviceable.
Chanel Bomber wrote:cgmw wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:The fanbase wouldn't "go nuts" because that team would be terrible.
Mitch and Obi can't play together because neither can shoot. RJ and Cam are inefficient scorers with no elite skill. IQ has had plenty of opportunities with Rose and Kemba out and he hasn't made the most of them. Grimes has played well but he's still an unknown to some degree.
Besides Obi, every young player has received consistent playing time and opportunities so far in their NBA careers. Besides Mitch, and to a lesser extent IQ in a bench role last season, none of them has been good.
If the vets weren't here, a lot of fans would be pitting young players against each other and scapegoating their least favorite in order to make excuses for their favorites.
Except you’re both missing the real point, which would be that a proper “tank” would give us maximum lottery odds at least 3 years in a row, which would mean that instead of RJ, Obi, and Grimes we’d have a decent chance of watching RJ, Lamelo, and Mobley.
You tank to get top 3 picks and hope to land a franchise player. As it stands, the Knicks only hope for true franchise talent is that Leon Rose can pull off a godfather trade. As we learned with Carmelo and Marbury, those kind of shortcut leveraged deals don’t work out longterm. I still fully expect Leon to pull off some kind of big flashy move that Knick fans will love at first. Only question is…. When?
We could have drafted Garland and Haliburton in back-to-back drafts. Our backcourt would be set for the next decade.
The top 3 of the draft doesn't guarantee top 3 talent. This has been proven time and time again, although it generally gives you better odds of drafting an All-Star.
As a matter of fact, the Knicks were reportedly targeting Wiseman in the 2020 draft (if they moved up into the top 3) by the way. He looked like a bust his rookie season - at the very least a major disappointment - despite being mentored by one of the greatest defensive bigs in NBA history, despite playing with one of the most unselfish superstars in Stephen Curry, and despite being coached by one of the most progressive coaches in the NBA.
Anyway, I was arguing Gorilla Mansoon's point, not yours.
Are We Ther Yet wrote:Oscirus wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:
Mudiay
Spanish Mudiay
Duke Mudiay
yea that plan of collecting failed lottery picks in their third/fourth year doesnt seem to be working, time for a new strategy
Yeah. This team wants to be competitive enough to stay out of the lottery...by building a team with other teams failed lottery picks? Makes sense.
Jimmit79 wrote:At this point I want RJ to get paid
Gravy wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:cgmw wrote:Except you’re both missing the real point, which would be that a proper “tank” would give us maximum lottery odds at least 3 years in a row, which would mean that instead of RJ, Obi, and Grimes we’d have a decent chance of watching RJ, Lamelo, and Mobley.
You tank to get top 3 picks and hope to land a franchise player. As it stands, the Knicks only hope for true franchise talent is that Leon Rose can pull off a godfather trade. As we learned with Carmelo and Marbury, those kind of shortcut leveraged deals don’t work out longterm. I still fully expect Leon to pull off some kind of big flashy move that Knick fans will love at first. Only question is…. When?
We could have drafted Garland and Haliburton in back-to-back drafts. Our backcourt would be set for the next decade.
The top 3 of the draft doesn't guarantee top 3 talent. This has been proven time and time again, although it generally gives you better odds of drafting an All-Star.
As a matter of fact, the Knicks were reportedly targeting Wiseman in the 2020 draft (if they moved up into the top 3) by the way. He looked like a bust his rookie season - at the very least a major disappointment - despite being mentored by one of the greatest defensive bigs in NBA history, despite playing with one of the most unselfish superstars in Stephen Curry, and despite being coached by one of the most progressive coaches in the NBA.
Anyway, I was arguing Gorilla Mansoon's point, not yours.
Garland and Haliburton would be so good for us. I like what RJ has been doing lately but this team is in dire need of a young dynamic backcourt.