Trade Talk (Part Ten): 2022 Offseason Edition

[winforlose]

I'm still surprised that Layman plus a 2nd or two didn't get moved to OKC. Having the salary flexibility from dumping Layman would have been extremely useful down the stretch.

Same with the Kings. They just got a 6 million dollar trade exemption and are well under the tax. If anyone would want an extra second it would be the Kings.

Trade exceptions don't mean the owners don't have to pay the salary. Why pay millions for him to wear a suit on game days?

Just read on CBAFAQ that season salaries are usually on biweekly basis, beginning 11/15. 24 checks means Layman has only earned 1/4th of his 2021-22 salary, less than $1 million.

Are you sure? I was reading it is based on days in the season. 31 in March, 10 in April, and 11-28 in February assuming trade midday of the deadline. 59 days left. Season started October 19. 13 days in October, 30 in November, 31 in December, 31 in January, 10 in February to that point. 115 days passed, 59 to go. 174 days, 59 left. 59/174 = 33.9%. Layman is making approximately 3.9 million so he is still owed at that point approximately 1.3 million. For a 2nd round pick that isn’t that expensive. Plus we could have given maybe 300k in cash and still and enough left over to sign or convert another prorated player. Assuming my math is correct (not my specialty.)

[Klomp]

Same with the Kings. They just got a 6 million dollar trade exemption and are well under the tax. If anyone would want an extra second it would be the Kings.

Trade exceptions don't mean the owners don't have to pay the salary. Why pay millions for him to wear a suit on game days?

Just read on CBAFAQ that season salaries are usually on biweekly basis, beginning 11/15. 24 checks means Layman has only earned 1/4th of his 2021-22 salary, less than $1 million.

Are you sure? I was reading it is based on days in the season. 31 in March, 10 in April, and 11-28 in February assuming trade midday of the deadline. 59 days left. Season started October 19. 13 days in October, 30 in November, 31 in December, 31 in January, 10 in February to that point. 115 days passed, 59 to go. 174 days, 59 left. 59/174 = 33.9%. Layman is making approximately 3.9 million so he is still owed at that point approximately 1.3 million. For a 2nd round pick that isn’t that expensive. Plus we could have given maybe 300k in cash and still and enough left over to sign or convert another prorated player. Assuming my math is correct (not my specialty.)

I guess the last line could apply to him, but just saying what the standard schedule is.

115. Are players paid on a regular schedule? Are there other ways to pay players beside regular paychecks?

The league's standard paydays are on the 1st and 15th of each month, beginning November 15. The default is 24 paychecks paid over one calendar year. Teams and players whose salaries are over the minimum salary can agree to a 12-check or 36-check schedule, paid over six months or 18 months, respectively.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q115

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CanisHoopus has an article on this in which is suggests Bev is on the move. By signing it now we avoid the recently signed restriction on trades. As a result if we combine Bev’s 13 with Beasley 15.5 we get 28.5 in expiring. We could also wait till the trade deadline next season if we want to. If nothing else it is interesting, though 13 is kinda high and problematic for everything else we need to do.

[Takingbaconback]

If Brogdon is going to be available, Wolves need to jump on that. Gordon Hayward might be interesting. He's 31 but his game may not take a huge hit with age.

[BlacJacMac]

If Brogdon is going to be available, Wolves need to jump on that. Gordon Hayward might be interesting. He's 31 but his game may not take a huge hit with age.

Brogdon worries me a little. He misses a ton of games and his shooting has fallen off a cliff this year. He's only 29, but I wonder if it's an "old 29"?

[Takingbaconback]

If Brogdon is going to be available, Wolves need to jump on that. Gordon Hayward might be interesting. He's 31 but his game may not take a huge hit with age.

Brogdon worries me a little. He misses a ton of games and his shooting has fallen off a cliff this year. He's only 29, but I wonder if it's an "old 29"?

I figure Wolves will never have their pick of the lot so they gotta take chances. Hindsight is 20/20, but man wish the wolves coulda gotten CP3

[minimus]

So after Beverley extension we "only" have place for low profile, low cost PoA defender? Someone like Kris Dunn?

[shrink]

So after Beverley extension we "only" have place for low profile, low cost PoA defender? Someone like Kris Dunn?

Josh Okogie?

[minimus]

So after Beverley extension we "only" have place for low profile, low cost PoA defender? Someone like Kris Dunn?

Josh Okogie?

According to this https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/08/nba-minimum-salaries-for-2021-22.html his min salary will be around 2 mil per year. I would offer Josh a deal similar to McLaughlin 3 year / $6,480,000, last year team option.

Although I love Okogie motor and heart, I would like to find someone who is less on dimensional. For instance, someone who can pass a bit, or shoot, or dribble, or finish at rim. Or maybe with grow of chemistry between our core players and young players such as MCD, Nowell, Reid we will see more ball movement and Okogie will be able to fit more.

[TaylorTag]

So after Beverley extension we "only" have place for low profile, low cost PoA defender? Someone like Kris Dunn?

Pretty sure we have like $15m to spend before going above the luxury tax

[Mattya]

I keep looking for the vets that can boost us for the next few years as we get playoff experience. Kind of like what the Bulls did with Derozan and Vuc, Suns with CP3 and Nuggets with Milsap.

[Mattya]

If Brogdon is going to be available, Wolves need to jump on that. Gordon Hayward might be interesting. He's 31 but his game may not take a huge hit with age.

Brogdon worries me a little. He misses a ton of games and his shooting has fallen off a cliff this year. He's only 29, but I wonder if it's an "old 29"?

How much if that is his team being worse and not creating as good of looks.

[Neeva]

If we go after overpaid Brogdon what do we need overpaid DLO for?

[TaylorTag]

If we go after overpaid Brogdon what do we need overpaid for?

It's kind of hard to evaluate his market value considering the injuries...

As far as the Wolves perspective, we have 4 guys signed through next season that essentially play the same position as Brogdon... Why do we think he is the missing piece?

[life_saver]

I think Wolves are in an ok position cap wise..I am definitely curios about what they plan to do with DLo this off-season though

[shrink]

I think Wolves are in an ok position cap wise..I am definitely curios about what they plan to do with DLo this off-season though

I think how Russell plays the rest of the season, and especially in the playoffs, will have a significant effect on his extension talks. I think Russell has had one of his best seasons so far, and he seems more engaged, but I don’t think he is a max player, and he’s certainly not worthy of a max extension for a 27 year old (starting at $37?).

However, I will remind people that with the new TV deal in 2 years, the cap is going to spike, so long, expensive deals could become relatively less expensive. DLo and his agent know this too, so if the players association fights cap smoothing again, expect Russell to want a long deal at $30 mil a year. I think he’s more a $21 mil player, but if he gets an extension of 3 more years for $80, I’m not going to gasp. But again, so much is riding on these playoffs for DLo - we will have to wait and see.

[BlacJacMac]

If Brogdon is going to be available, Wolves need to jump on that. Gordon Hayward might be interesting. He's 31 but his game may not take a huge hit with age.

Brogdon worries me a little. He misses a ton of games and his shooting has fallen off a cliff this year. He's only 29, but I wonder if it's an "old 29"?

How much if that is his team being worse and not creating as good of looks.

I'd guess not much.

He played most of his minutes alongside Sabonis, half his minutes with LaVert and about 25% alongside McConnell. So he was out there with other playmakers.

[old school 34]

I think Wolves are in an ok position cap wise..I am definitely curios about what they plan to do with DLo this off-season though

I think how Russell plays the rest of the season, and especially in the playoffs, will have a significant effect on his extension talks. I think Russell has had one of his best seasons so far, and he seems more engaged, but I don’t think he is a max player, and he’s certainly not worthy of a max extension for a 27 year old (starting at $37?).

However, I will remind people that with the new TV deal in 2 years, the cap is going to spike, so long, expensive deals could become relatively less expensive. DLo and his agent know this too, so if the players association fights cap smoothing again, expect Russell to want a long deal at $30 mil a year. I think he’s more a $21 mil player, but if he gets an extension of 3 more years for $80, I’m not going to gasp. But again, so much is riding on these playoffs for DLo - we will have to wait and see.

Lot of good points here....I'm fairly comfortable extending him now at this point, but also by no means do we need to rush to get it done & just fine keeping our flexibility as long as possible...assuming it doesn't become a team distraction? Technically, we could take it all the way say thru next year's trade deadline and then do it (similar to PB, correct)? Cause I assume once we extend him say in offseason, then he's not trade eligible for essentially the year, correct?

Not that we'd for sure go down that path, but we would lose a certain amount of flexibility if something big would become available?

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[old school 34]

So after Beverley extension we "only" have place for low profile, low cost PoA defender? Someone like Kris Dunn?

Josh Okogie?

According to this https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/08/nba-minimum-salaries-for-2021-22.html his min salary will be around 2 mil per year. I would offer Josh a deal similar to McLaughlin 3 year / $6,480,000, last year team option.

Although I love Okogie motor and heart, I would like to find someone who is less on dimensional. For instance, someone who can pass a bit, or shoot, or dribble, or finish at rim. Or maybe with grow of chemistry between our core players and young players such as MCD, Nowell, Reid we will see more ball movement and Okogie will be able to fit more.

I think your right in the ballpark of his value....didn't Kris Dunn's next deal after his rookie deal end up being about 5 mil per? So that's low & high end? He's got a role as a defensive specialist & he's great from a team chemistry guy....so I really feel it's three things that factor in his wolves future...1) He still good with that type of role, 2) How much do we trust Bolmaro with assuming his role & offering maybe some more playmaking, & 3) Does he ultimately just get replaced by a rookie & a rookie contract?

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