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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 61: Houston Rockets (15-43) at Orlando Magic (13-47) - 2/25/22 - 7pm ET 

Post#101 » by pepe1991 » Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:39 am

Ralof wrote:one thing about rj hampton,to me could be a good player with ton of potential but:in a limited role.

you have to ask 2-3 things to him;run like crazy in transition,defend on ball like a possesed man and to shoot spot-up threes.

and stop:if you want him to create something you are gonna put him in a bad place;just develop him as a 3-D guy,don't force him to carry the ball in any situation(one of the reasons is absurd we did not add a ball handler until now)and is gonna be a very useful player,the potential is right there


in a limited role.

This is execlly why great teams develop players better.
They give them up 2,3 duties to handle. For somebody like Kuminga it's defense and finishing dunks & layups for year one.
For Kawhi for Spurs in first 2 years it was on ball defense with ablity to hit open 3s when needed.

As they got better, their role expended.

RJ Hampton has body of nba player but everything is messy. His shooting comes and goes, so does playmaking and defense. And his role is constantly being yo-yoed. From on ball to off ball to playmaker, to shooting guard.

On flip side you have Kevin Porter Jr who started into messy Cavs situation as SG and even SF. Than he become two guard, now he supposed to be point guard, but in same time Jalen Green also plays similar role. And for both players is hard to get better if on nightly bases they have no clue what their role supposed to be.
Houston, probably more than even Magic, has too many young players that they try to develop at once and in reality it just creates chaotic environment for playes. And things there already excalated month ago when Wood refused to be subbed into a game and Porter left game after heated debate with assistent coach John Lucas
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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 61: Houston Rockets (15-43) at Orlando Magic (13-47) - 2/25/22 - 7pm ET 

Post#102 » by Bergmaniac » Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:50 pm

Chuma started shooting lights out from 3 right after I said he's been shooting terribly all year from 3 and teams are leaving him open for a reason.

Anyway, pretty horrible game of basketball as can be expected when it's the two worst team in the league after the All-Star break. So much chucking and no structure for either offense. At least Chuma and WCJr. made it watchable. Suggs had an absolute nightmare, 3 fouls in 25 seconds 3 minutes into the game is inexcusable.
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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 61: Houston Rockets (15-43) at Orlando Magic (13-47) - 2/25/22 - 7pm ET 

Post#103 » by Optimus_Steel » Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:33 pm

Bergmaniac wrote:Chuma started shooting lights out from 3 right after I said he's been shooting terribly all year from 3 and teams are leaving him open for a reason.

Anyway, pretty horrible game of basketball as can be expected when it's the two worst team in the league after the All-Star break. So much chucking and no structure for either offense. At least Chuma and WCJr. made it watchable. Suggs had an absolute nightmare, 3 fouls in 25 seconds 3 minutes into the game is inexcusable.
He showed a complete lack of maturity in that sequence. It was honestly embarrassing. After he had that nice dunk he turned it over with a careless pass. Where was his head at last night? He has a long way to go.

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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 61: Houston Rockets (15-43) at Orlando Magic (13-47) - 2/25/22 - 7pm ET 

Post#104 » by Ralof » Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:54 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
Ralof wrote:one thing about rj hampton,to me could be a good player with ton of potential but:in a limited role.

you have to ask 2-3 things to him;run like crazy in transition,defend on ball like a possesed man and to shoot spot-up threes.

and stop:if you want him to create something you are gonna put him in a bad place;just develop him as a 3-D guy,don't force him to carry the ball in any situation(one of the reasons is absurd we did not add a ball handler until now)and is gonna be a very useful player,the potential is right there


in a limited role.

This is execlly why great teams develop players better.
They give them up 2,3 duties to handle. For somebody like Kuminga it's defense and finishing dunks & layups for year one.
For Kawhi for Spurs in first 2 years it was on ball defense with ablity to hit open 3s when needed.

As they got better, their role expended.

RJ Hampton has body of nba player but everything is messy. His shooting comes and goes, so does playmaking and defense. And his role is constantly being yo-yoed. From on ball to off ball to playmaker, to shooting guard.

it's pretty increbidile people and even some FO still do not understand that.
rebuilding is not "leave a lots of young guys playing random for a pair of years,just to have an high pick"

it's about build a team since day one with young players,mixed with veterans who have to put them in better position to succeed.
and you have to estabilish a hierarchy sooner than later and take risks and try different things,because after one max two losing season your seat as a gm gonna be on fire if the team did not make progresses.

comical thing is we passed for the exact same path few years ago and we are making the same mistake again,as oladipo noticed,too many young guys,no structure,no direction and the usual mess.

then people ask why denver,miami or golden state are miles ahead us,pistons or kings :roll:
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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 61: Houston Rockets (15-43) at Orlando Magic (13-47) - 2/25/22 - 7pm ET 

Post#105 » by Magic_Kingdom » Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:07 pm

Ralof wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
Ralof wrote:one thing about rj hampton,to me could be a good player with ton of potential but:in a limited role.

you have to ask 2-3 things to him;run like crazy in transition,defend on ball like a possesed man and to shoot spot-up threes.

and stop:if you want him to create something you are gonna put him in a bad place;just develop him as a 3-D guy,don't force him to carry the ball in any situation(one of the reasons is absurd we did not add a ball handler until now)and is gonna be a very useful player,the potential is right there


in a limited role.

This is execlly why great teams develop players better.
They give them up 2,3 duties to handle. For somebody like Kuminga it's defense and finishing dunks & layups for year one.
For Kawhi for Spurs in first 2 years it was on ball defense with ablity to hit open 3s when needed.

As they got better, their role expended.

RJ Hampton has body of nba player but everything is messy. His shooting comes and goes, so does playmaking and defense. And his role is constantly being yo-yoed. From on ball to off ball to playmaker, to shooting guard.

it's pretty increbidile people and even some FO still do not understand that.
rebuilding is not "leave a lots of young guys playing random for a pair of years,just to have an high pick"

it's about build a team since day one with young players,mixed with veterans who have to put them in better position to succeed.
and you have to estabilish a hierarchy sooner than later and take risks and try different things,because after one max two losing season your seat as a gm gonna be on fire if the team did not make progresses.

comical thing is we passed for the exact same path few years ago and we are making the same mistake again,as oladipo noticed,too many young guys,no structure,no direction and the usual mess.

then people ask why denver,miami or golden state are miles ahead us,pistons or kings :roll:

100%. This is one of the reasons why statistics show that tanking, as a team-building strategy, actually doesn't work. It's not just because you're relying on lottery luck to build a team, which is especially dicey with the new lottery format they introduced in 2019. Your young players are thrown into chaos with no structure. Losses pile up and the players are conditioned that losing is ok, even preferable, to improve lottery odds. They don't learn how to win or compete properly. And then you get these lottery results under the new system:

2021 -- 5th and 7th best odds get top-4 picks
2020 -- 7th and 8th best odds get top-4 picks
2019 -- 7th, 8th and 11th best odds get top-4 picks
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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 61: Houston Rockets (15-43) at Orlando Magic (13-47) - 2/25/22 - 7pm ET 

Post#106 » by zaymon » Sat Feb 26, 2022 8:58 pm

How can you watch Okeke and say he is not nba player ? He is not a star but basically bigger Thybulle with some offense.
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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 61: Houston Rockets (15-43) at Orlando Magic (13-47) - 2/25/22 - 7pm ET 

Post#107 » by drsd » Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:30 am

Positivity stat of the game: 119-111.

Digging deeper:
29 FT attempts
54 rebounds
And another 55%+ eFG line on the 2-ball. Orlando's inside the arc game continues to be very, very efficient.
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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 61: Houston Rockets (15-43) at Orlando Magic (13-47) - 2/25/22 - 7pm ET 

Post#108 » by tiderulz » Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:57 pm

drsd wrote:Positivity stat of the game: 119-111.

Digging deeper:
29 FT attempts
54 rebounds
And another 55%+ eFG line on the 2-ball. Orlando's inside the arc game continues to be very, very efficient.

hard to know against a bad team. Was Orlando that good or Houston that bad
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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 61: Houston Rockets (15-43) at Orlando Magic (13-47) - 2/25/22 - 7pm ET 

Post#109 » by Knightro » Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:48 pm

zaymon wrote:How can you watch Okeke and say he is not nba player ? He is not a star but basically bigger Thybulle with some offense.


Doesn't hurt that this is coming off the best game of his career :lol:
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Post#110 » by zaymon » Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:33 pm

Knightro wrote:
zaymon wrote:How can you watch Okeke and say he is not nba player ? He is not a star but basically bigger Thybulle with some offense.


Doesn't hurt that this is coming off the best game of his career :lol:


Sure but i have been rock solid consistent with my opinion about Okeke since we drafted him havent i ? Shooting is one thing but you cant watch him defend and say its a fluke. He had better defensive games before.
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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 61: Houston Rockets (15-43) at Orlando Magic (13-47) - 2/25/22 - 7pm ET 

Post#111 » by Xatticus » Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:16 pm

zaymon wrote:
Knightro wrote:
zaymon wrote:How can you watch Okeke and say he is not nba player ? He is not a star but basically bigger Thybulle with some offense.


Doesn't hurt that this is coming off the best game of his career :lol:


Sure but i have been rock solid consistent with my opinion about Okeke since we drafted him havent i ? Shooting is one thing but you cant watch him defend and say its a fluke. He had better defensive games before.


He's not Thybulle. He isn't close to Thybulle. Thybulle can lock people down. That's not Okeke. He is a very good team defender with good hands. He is a tweener though, which really limits his upside. The combination of size and foot speed isn't good. He can make some plays at the defensive end by being in the right place at the right time (the weak-side block on Wood) or by getting his hands on balls that people don't think he can (stealing the inbounds pass).
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