No NBA Lockout Coming

[Dominator83]

Well considering how badly Silver and the owners got bent over in the last CBA, not surprising. Did the league get ANY concessions last time around ?

Hasn't the BRI split gone from 57/43 in favor of the players to 51/49 in favor of the owners? If so, then that is an absolutely massive win for the owners over the course of the last CBA.

That was the 2012 CBA. There was one a couple years ago

[AbeVigodaLive]

I expect a brief lockout.

You know... so everybody knows that they should negotiating and stuff.

[CobraCommander]

I disagree.

Come at me Woj!

Me too-

Harden- forced him self out of 2 teams and played like crap to do so and let down 2 fan bases and organizations down while making max money and fighting for even more money.

Simmons refused to play while on a max contract and made up a possibly fabricated excuse while refusing to talk to the 76ers medical staff and let down a fan base and ownership team by essentially dashing their championship aspirations while demanding and getting a trade.

Kyrie refused to get vaccinated (his right and choice) but the Nets couldn’t void his contract get any type of compensation for Kyrie basically calling out for half the year- his right but it again let down a fan base and ownership team while he was making max money

John Wall has not played this year and is the 3 highest paid player in NBA...initially it was so that they could trade him but then they changed their mind and wanted him to come off the bench and he declined and wall is making max money and while I’m not sure he is letting a fan base down. Wall is a healthy scratch while the rockets fans watch their team that once had Harden CP3 fight for a ring watch the equivalent of G-League Ignite running against NBA teams...

Westbrook demanded a trade in DC so he could join the Lakers and ruined Lebron and the Lakers fan base aspirations while making max money and laying bricks and mean mugging and arguing with fans

Dame decided that they can’t win this year so he isn’t hurrying back. I’m sorry but did Portland decide to concede the rest of the year and the season ticket holders get their money back? Dame either healthy or he isn’t- all the Portland nationally televised games are now canceled and people can get their ad money back?


All of these guys are max players and thus should be cornerstones to franchises or at least winning pieces yet they are not holding up their end of the per verbal bargain while getting paid....

don’t Tell me about Kyrie and Simmons because it’s not like the 76ers or Nets could use the money they not making to hire a guy to play in their absence

And this doesn’t even begin to approach the super team colluding that friends are doing...

If the owners don’t renegotiate the NBA product is going to become less valuable over time as the general fan stops watching teams that are tanking or have stars that we can’t root for because they don’t even care about playing on a regular basis...so why should I care to buy their product?

[bbalnation]

Fans stanning hard against millionaires for the benefit of billionaires is a concept in society I have a hard time grasping.

Even more so, in this thread, when it means that us as fans get to see our favorite players play for an extended period of time. Lol.

[Michael Bradley]

The problem with baseball is that they don't have a salary cap. So while revenue has increased (pre-Covid), player salaries have stagnated or declined. Players also got screwed in the last 2 CBAs and want a pound of flesh in this one to compensate for that. Then without a salary cap you'll have big market owners like Steve Cohen and the Dodgers ownership that will spend $300-400M on payroll if they choose to, while the cheap ass owners in Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Tampa Bay, etc, will spend the bare minimum. Their entire system is broken.

The NBA is different. They are printing money and their next TV deal is going to be massive. The player salaries are only going up. The only reason owners would want to lockout is if they felt the pie wasn't being shared in an equal manner. While I'm sure they'll do something about player movement, it's not going to be worth losing revenue over.

[floppymoose]

Well considering how badly Silver and the owners got bent over in the last CBA, not surprising. Did the league get ANY concessions last time around ?

Hasn't the BRI split gone from 57/43 in favor of the players to 51/49 in favor of the owners? If so, then that is an absolutely massive win for the owners over the course of the last CBA.

That was the 2012 CBA. There was one a couple years ago

New one was December 2016, but the revenue split is the same as the 2011 agreement. The money issues haven't really changed since the 2011 agreement. The players share is guaranteed to be somewhere from 49 to 51% of BRI (league income). The actual results in some recent years has been 51%: http://cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q15

[Mavrelous]

I don't know how trustworthy is this
http://www.espn.com/nba/attendance
But if this is the case, there won't be any lockdown.

[G35]

Fans stanning hard against millionaires for the benefit of billionaires is a concept in society I have a hard time grasping.

Even more so, in this thread, when it means that us as fans get to see our favorite players play for an extended period of time. Lol.

There is always a troll post about how fans should side with the players. Because the players care so much about the fans.....

[Harry Garris]

But I couldn't disagree more. NBA owners - despite being billionaires - are still human. There aren't very many NBA owners in my opinion who don't care at all about the success or failure of their basketball team. My team the Blazers have one of the few right now - Jody Allen - who isn't super invested in the team's success and probably just needs to sell it. But we're one of the exceptions. Owners like Jeanie Buss or Mark Cuban or Michael Jordan that are very much invested in the day to day operations of the team are much more common than the detached ownership of my team.

Are we sure Jody is as "detached" as is rumored? I think the larger issue is that we just don't know a whole lot about her.

She could be behind the scenes I suppose. A lot of reporting about her is speculation that she's not that invested in the Blazers and I've probably fallen into believing that instead of giving her the benefit of the doubt.

[CobraCommander]

Fans stanning hard against millionaires for the benefit of billionaires is a concept in society I have a hard time grasping.

Even more so, in this thread, when it means that us as fans get to see our favorite players play for an extended period of time. Lol.

There is always a troll post about how fans should side with the players. Because the players care so much about the fans.....

I assume I’m one Of those trolls or Stans...but to me it not fans against players against owners against players....

I assume most of us are adults and work in for profit organizations. No organization can survive if there is an imbalance between company owner and workforce and if the employees don’t respect the customers and if customers don’t respect the employees of the company-


‘NBA players are quiting in the season after getting maxed and then getting traded. You think this can continue with no ramifications

Kobe and Jordan brought it nightly

[CobraCommander]

I don't know how trustworthy is this
http://www.espn.com/nba/attendance
But if this is the case, there won't be any lockdown.

I guess I’m wrong...and as much as people hate on Mavs and Bulls ownership....they always in top 3 - 5in attendance for 10 years at least

[Mavrelous]

I don't know how trustworthy is this
http://www.espn.com/nba/attendance
But if this is the case, there won't be any lockdown.

I guess I’m wrong...and as much as people hate on Mavs and Bulls ownership....they always in top 3 - 5in attendance for 10 years at least

Understandable, 2 successful team, with marketable superstars.
What's interesting is the attendance for teams like Pelicans, Thunder, Pacers, is still ~85%.

[CobraCommander]

I don't know how trustworthy is this
http://www.espn.com/nba/attendance
But if this is the case, there won't be any lockdown.

I guess I’m wrong...and as much as people hate on Mavs and Bulls ownership....they always in top 3 - 5in attendance for 10 years at least

Understandable, 2 successful team, with marketable superstars.
What's interesting is the attendance for teams like Pelicans, Thunder, Pacers, is still ~85%.

Right...maybe I’m thinking as a consumer myself and as I age I want the players to value my commitment to the nba and respect the money I spend...but damn...losing teams or tanking teams selling 18-20k a game

The players know it...the owners know it...and here I am saying “RESPECT my money and loyalty”

And the league like

[DaPessimist]

I'm not buying it. We've seen quite a few owners get embarrassed by players in the past few years. Billionaires have big egos, and the pandemic has only exacerbated their wealth and power. I think the owners push for big changes including shorter contracts, more penalties for demanding trades, and more restrictions on free agency. I think we lose at least half a season.

[Dominator83]

Hasn't the BRI split gone from 57/43 in favor of the players to 51/49 in favor of the owners? If so, then that is an absolutely massive win for the owners over the course of the last CBA.

That was the 2012 CBA. There was one a couple years ago

New one was December 2016, but the revenue split is the same as the 2011 agreement. The money issues haven't really changed since the 2011 agreement. The players share is guaranteed to be somewhere from 49 to 51% of BRI (league income). The actual results in some recent years has been 51%: http://cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q15

IIRC there were a lot of new things classified as Bri that really had nothing to do with basketball games

[Ballerhogger]

Players get handed everything in this league and there’s little to no consequences for holding out so . Why would they ? Owners must be making enough to justify the headache ..

[floppymoose]

That was the 2012 CBA. There was one a couple years ago

New one was December 2016, but the revenue split is the same as the 2011 agreement. The money issues haven't really changed since the 2011 agreement. The players share is guaranteed to be somewhere from 49 to 51% of BRI (league income). The actual results in some recent years has been 51%: http://cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q15

IIRC there were a lot of new things classified as Bri that really had nothing to do with basketball games

There were effectively no changes in the 2017 CBA on what counted as BRI.

[DroseReturnChi]

MLB is so bad. They never fully grasp how much damage they do to their league.

nba deserves a lockout too after what harden, zion did to the league. lebron pretty much opened pandora box these disgruntled men dont even care abt whats on their contracts.

[LegendaryLakers]

MLB is so bad. They never fully grasp how much damage they do to their league.

nba deserves a lockout too after what harden, zion did to the league. lebron pretty much opened pandora box these disgruntled men dont even care abt whats on their contracts.

LOL what? Jesus people let hate blind them so easily. Lebron did absolutely nothing but play out every single contract he had. Want to blame him for super team culture? Go for it, but this is just blatant bias. Blame Kawhi if you want to blame anyone.

Anyways on the topic at hand, I do think certain players have become far too entitled. Their needs to be significant penalties on the players themselves for pulling something like Kawhi/ADavis/Simmons etc have.

[Chuck Everett]

I just wanted to comment to say that "Westbrook mean-mugging fans" got a chuckle out of me.