2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

[Morris_Shatford]

Porzingis was offered for Trent....

I am assuming Trent (17m) + Dragic (19m) for Zinger (31m) + Ballast + Assets ?

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Porzingis was offered for Trent....

I am assuming Trent (17m) + Dragic (19m) for Zinger (31m) + Ballast + Assets ?

paper wise it will be a wash tbh.

Porzingis isn't some ISO super hero. still have the same problems with players able to get their own on a consistent basis.

i mean would the starting lineup would look like this:

FVV
OG
Barnes
Siakam
KP

but offensively, there aren't many great ISO players that can "get theirs"

[Scottie4Bro]

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Why in the world didn't we take a flyer on Cousins this season? We desperately needed a real big man and Cousins is clearly talented. It feels like Masai is deliberately not looking to acquire one due to the experiment.

[Mr Swagtastic]

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Why in the world didn't we take a flyer on Cousins this season? We desperately needed a real big man and Cousins is clearly talented. It feels like Masai is deliberately not looking to acquire one due to the experiment.

People need to stop this, guys like DeMarcus Cousins or DeAndre Jordan or *insert former all star past their prime C" are looking for win now opportunities not to go to treadmill teams which is what we are.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Porzingis was offered for Trent....

I am assuming Trent (17m) + Dragic (19m) for Zinger (31m) + Ballast + Assets ?

paper wise it will be a wash tbh.

Porzingis isn't some ISO super hero. still have the same problems with players able to get their own on a consistent basis.

i mean would the starting lineup would look like this:

FVV
OG
Barnes
Siakam
KP

but offensively, there aren't many great ISO players that can "get theirs"

Porzingis is crap he's fools gold, he is due to miss a quarter of the season or more, had a not so great contract and just isn't what he used to be. I don't buy that he's the missing piece here

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Still remember y’all telling me Dinwiddie was trash and ignored his splits without Beal. Good thing we got Thad Young tho

[Los_29]

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Why in the world didn't we take a flyer on Cousins this season? We desperately needed a real big man and Cousins is clearly talented. It feels like Masai is deliberately not looking to acquire one due to the experiment.

People need to stop this, guys like DeMarcus Cousins or DeAndre Jordan or *insert former all star past their prime C" are looking for win now opportunities not to go to treadmill teams which is what we are.

Are they? They've been bouncing around the league and would sign with any team that offered them a contract. The reason why we weren't in on either guy is because they are well past their prime, get cooked on defense and simply aren't good players at this point in their career. Didn't Deandre just get waived by a team trying to make the playoffs?

Cousins signed with Denver. Does anyone think they can win without Murray and MPJ? Did he sign with them to win a ring this year or to just stay in the league?

Also, how would you define a treadmill team? Are teams that are really young and are above .500 a treadmill team? Is there no in between? You can only be an awful team or an elite team?

[ItsDanger]

We need one player that can consistently create off the dribble. Impact on the rest of the team will be obvious. Improvement. Our offense doesn't break down the opponents defense at all. How many easy buckets the other way does our poor offense translate to? A lot. Whatever we do, this must be the focus if we're going to contend with the top 8 teams or so. Otherwise its back to usual asset accumulation strategy that can be lead to a lot of frustration.

[Scottie4Bro]

#TankforDuren

Or trade Trent for a top 12 pick in this next draft so we can get him. He's exactly the kind of player Masai wants. 6'11 with even longer wingspan. Defends well, bruiser in the post and good rim protector. Rebounding and blocking machine. Good FT shooter, too. I think there's some passing ability there as well. Only 18 years old.

Would solve our C problem.

[Mr Swagtastic]

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Why in the world didn't we take a flyer on Cousins this season? We desperately needed a real big man and Cousins is clearly talented. It feels like Masai is deliberately not looking to acquire one due to the experiment.

People need to stop this, guys like DeMarcus Cousins or DeAndre Jordan or *insert former all star past their prime C" are looking for win now opportunities not to go to treadmill teams which is what we are.

Are they? They've been bouncing around the league and would sign with any team that offered them a contract. The reason why we weren't in on either guy is because they are well past their prime, get cooked on defense and simply aren't good players at this point in their career. Didn't Deandre just get waived by a team trying to make the playoffs?

Cousins signed with Denver. Does anyone think they can win without Murray and MPJ? Did he sign with them to win a ring this year or to just stay in the league?

Also, how would you define a treadmill team? Are teams that are really young and are above .500 a treadmill team? Is there no in between? You can only be an awful team or an elite team?

We are a bad team right now, it's clear that Anunoby and Fred VanVleet are clearly missed especially Freddy with his shooting from three. As for Cousins Denver is a good fit they have a legit MVP in Jokic I don't see a lot of teams lining up for him but I think Toronto wasn't one of the teams on his list. Guys like Jordan and Cousins are past their hayday but in short minutes they are still decent and can always give you 6 fouls per game

[Los_29]

People need to stop this, guys like DeMarcus Cousins or DeAndre Jordan or *insert former all star past their prime C" are looking for win now opportunities not to go to treadmill teams which is what we are.

Are they? They've been bouncing around the league and would sign with any team that offered them a contract. The reason why we weren't in on either guy is because they are well past their prime, get cooked on defense and simply aren't good players at this point in their career. Didn't Deandre just get waived by a team trying to make the playoffs?

Cousins signed with Denver. Does anyone think they can win without Murray and MPJ? Did he sign with them to win a ring this year or to just stay in the league?

Also, how would you define a treadmill team? Are teams that are really young and are above .500 a treadmill team? Is there no in between? You can only be an awful team or an elite team?

We are a bad team right now, it's clear that Anunoby and Fred VanVleet are clearly missed especially Freddy with his shooting from three. As for Cousins Denver is a good fit they have a legit MVP in Jokic I don't see a lot of teams lining up for him but I think Toronto wasn't one of the teams on his list. Guys like Jordan and Cousins are past their hayday but in short minutes they are still decent and can always give you 6 fouls per game

I highly doubt Cousins has a list. He's been signing 10 day contracts with teams for a couple years now. He's simply not a good player at this point in his career. If we reached out to Cousins after he got waived by the Bucks, he'd be here right now. Beggars can't be choosers.

Are they decent.? You can get a much younger player who can give you 6 fouls and they wouldn't come with the baggage that Jordan and Cousins comes with.

[MalagaBulls]

Morning all, Bulls fan in peace. I have posted here before and have exchanged some trade ideas with your forum. I wasted to ask since Imhave rad the Raps might entertain a retool this off season if OG is off limits? If not would a package centered around PWill & an FRP be enough to get the convo started?
Lastly, how well does OG defend 4's with his length, lateral movement, and quickness?

[Madhouse]

Morning all, Bulls fan in peace. I have posted here before and have exchanged some trade ideas with your forum. I wasted to ask since Imhave rad the Raps might entertain a retool this off season if OG is off limits? If not would a package centered around PWill & an FRP be enough to get the convo started?
Lastly, how well does OG defend 4's with his length, lateral movement, and quickness?

I doubt he is off limits. But at the same time, I don't know if Toronto and Chicago are good trade partners. Toronto, unless there is a change of strategy this offseason, will not rebuild and Anunoby is not old and under contract until 2024. Maybe there is a change of strategy this offseason and maybe they do value PW (in this case I would guess in a package with AD) as a future star (I would believe they value him because he fits what they are usually looking for) but at this point I think it would be unlikely and Toronto would much rather package Anunoby for an immediate upgrade.

His calling cards are his versatility and his perimeter defense. You can put him on PFs as he is a strong, physical player but he isn't some rim protector and I would much rather use him as a wing stopper. But he has been defending big men about 30-35% of the time this year and done a decent job, so you can use him that way.

[MalagaBulls]

Morning all, Bulls fan in peace. I have posted here before and have exchanged some trade ideas with your forum. I wasted to ask since Imhave rad the Raps might entertain a retool this off season if OG is off limits? If not would a package centered around PWill & an FRP be enough to get the convo started?
Lastly, how well does OG defend 4's with his length, lateral movement, and quickness?

I doubt he is off limits. But at the same time, I don't know if Toronto and Chicago are good trade partners. Toronto, unless there is a change of strategy this offseason, will not rebuild and Anunoby is not old and under contract until 2024. Maybe there is a change of strategy this offseason and maybe they do value PW (in this case I would guess in a package with AD) as a future star (I would believe they value him because he fits what they are usually looking for) but at this point I think it would be unlikely and Toronto would much rather package Anunoby for an immediate upgrade.

His calling cards are his versatility and his perimeter defense. You can put him on PFs as he is a strong, physical player but he isn't some rim protector and I would much rather use him as a wing stopper. But he has been defending big men about 30-35% of the time this year and done a decent job, so you can use him that way.

I'd even be tempted to do something like this:

Toronto out: OG Anunoby, Precious Achiuwa
Toronto in: Patrick Williams, Coby White, Bulls 2022 FRP (20-25 range), 2nd 2022 FRP from Bulls (16-20 range)

Bulls in: OG Anunoby, Precious Achiuw
Bulls out: PWill, Coby White, 2 FRP's

[Morris_Shatford]

Morning all, Bulls fan in peace. I have posted here before and have exchanged some trade ideas with your forum. I wasted to ask since Imhave rad the Raps might entertain a retool this off season if OG is off limits? If not would a package centered around PWill & an FRP be enough to get the convo started?
Lastly, how well does OG defend 4's with his length, lateral movement, and quickness?

While I tend to think that OG may be the guy moved to address some positional fit issues eventually;

I am not sure if Masai and Co opt to deal OG till the FVV and GTJ situations are resolved. Both guys can opt out next summer, whereas OG is on a pretty reasonable deal for two more full seasons.

In theory, if you lose FVV and GTJ (unlikely yet possible) next summer and you are somewhat forced into a rebuild I would imagine you could get a pretty respectable building package for OG rather than moving now for a re-tool package.

As for PWill and FRPs, I think you are in the ballpark value-wise;
The issue for the moment is how do you play OG, Siakam and Barnes at the same time, I think a PWill / OG swap creates a similar discussion if PWill continues to develop.

[MalagaBulls]

Morning all, Bulls fan in peace. I have posted here before and have exchanged some trade ideas with your forum. I wasted to ask since Imhave rad the Raps might entertain a retool this off season if OG is off limits? If not would a package centered around PWill & an FRP be enough to get the convo started?
Lastly, how well does OG defend 4's with his length, lateral movement, and quickness?

While I tend to think that OG may be the guy moved to address some positional fit issues eventually;

I am not sure if Masai and Co opt to deal OG till the FVV and GTJ situations are resolved. Both guys can opt out next summer, whereas OG is on a pretty reasonable deal for two more full seasons.

In theory, if you lose FVV and GTJ (unlikely yet possible) next summer and you are somewhat forced into a rebuild I would imagine you could get a pretty respectable building package for OG rather than moving now for a re-tool package.

As for PWill and FRPs, I think you are in the ballpark value-wise;
The issue for the moment is how do you play OG, Siakam and Barnes at the same time, I think a PWill / OG swap creates a similar discussion if PWill continues to develop.

I would love OG as he could step in as our 4 and guard most 4's with his athletism, length, & lateral movement.
As Ujari never gets fleeced I think he would demand PWill, maybe 2 FRP's, and Ayo (instead of Coby) who has been incredible as a rook. That would be a deal breaker for us as our VP is just as saavy.
Have you guys seen Ayo lately? He is incredible and has great value as a 2nd round pick.

[BlazersBroncos]

If PDX ends up with #6, does that get OG or Pascal?

[dukes_wild]

If PDX ends up with #6, does that get OG or Pascal?

I'd 100% trade OG for a 6th overall pick.

Probably would with Siakam as well to be honest. 6th + Hart + Williams I'd do

[bboyskinnylegs]

are there Sabonis-for-Haliburton style trades out there that we can pursue in the offseason? With the idea of creating a young, high-ceiling core to build a contender with.

[Ell Curry]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/266076/Lakers-Will-Struggle-To-Re-Sign-Malik-Monk-In-Free-Agency

Pretty annoying we didn't sign a 22 year old Malik Monk for 20M over 3 instead of a 29 year old Birch!

Wonder if we'll go after him with the MLE. We obviously need a shooter, and this looks okay:


Siakam-Achiuwa-Birch
Barnes-Boucher-Thad
OG-Barnes
Trent-Monk
VanVleet-Flynn

if we just bring back Boucher and Thad on short deals, then look to eventually move Birch's deal, one of Boucher or Young's deals and a first for a starting 5 if Achiuwa doesn't blossom into a clear starter, or even if he does to have a proper 7 foot option there.

We can do that and stay under the tax.

On the other hand, Flynn is playing well and we might want OG as the backup 2 and a bigger shooter, just not sure there's one out there with the MLE really, never mind a 23 year who's just under 40% from 3 with 200+ makes (combined) the last couple seasons.