2021-22 NBA Season Discussion

LukaTheGOAT · Post #1621 » by **LukaTheGOAT** » Wed Mar 9, 2022 4:32 am

LukaTheGOAT wrote:Kyrie Irving just scored 50 points on 101.1 TS% (19 shots). Incredible is an understatement.

Found that it is the most efficient game of its kind ever:

?s=19

Post #1622 » by **cupcakesnake** » Wed Mar 9, 2022 5:58 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Chris Finch**

Ah, well, to be clear:

Box score-wise, Russell hasn't taken a clear leap forward since leaving Golden State, so what we're really talking about is that Finch has found a way to fit Russell in with KAT & Edwards that has been good enough to make the team a 1st round-level team.

Given that Kerr wasn't trying to fit Russell in with KAT & Edwards, this isn't an apples-to-apples comparison. This also has everything to do with why everyone was nervous about adding Russell to the Warriors. The idea of adding a point guard to help KAT & Edwards makes sense in a way that adding one to Curry, Thompson & Green was never so clear cut.

Just wanted to chime in because I feel D'Lo has been under-talked about and misunderstood this year. In my opinion (and the general opinion of most Minnesota fans and analysts) D'Lo took a huge step forward this year as an impactful basketball player. It's not showing up in the boxscore overall because he started the year in a big shooting slump. Even when he was shooting it poorly, it was clear he'd really developed as a decision-maker and as a defender. I never liked D'Lo. Not at Ohio State, LA, Brooklyn, GS, and not when he was traded to the Wolves. The shooting was brutal to start the season, and that's going to effect all box-score derived numbers (nothing good about missing shots!). But the on-off, even during the shooting slump, supports a D'Lo transformation. It's the first significant positive on-off mark of his career this year. The shooting has normalized since January, and he's been posting strong shooting efficiency numbers since, causing some of the boxscore stuff to normalize to his career levels, but if it wasn't for that putrid shooting slump, everyone would be seeing this as a career year for him. (D'Lo wasn't alone in that cold stretch. A lot of perimeter players were clearly thrown off, maybe by officiating, early in the year. Shai, Tatum, Lillard off the top of my head all started the year with weird outlier poor shooting).

He's been an all-around excellent offensive guard. He's flowed seamlessly from on-ball to off-ball, from shot hunter to distributor. I've been shocked by impressive I find his decision making. His defense (which has fallen off since his shot came back) was strangely good to start the year. I thought he was our best defender during the first half of the season when we were a top 10 defense somewhat bizarrely.

I think if you put this version of D'Lo back in the Warriors system, he would thrive. He's just the total package from a decision making guard who leverages his scoring threat into offensive advantages (everything except for at the rim scoring). He's been extremely dependable in late game scenarios as well.

LukaTheGOAT · Post #1623 » by **LukaTheGOAT** » Wed Mar 9, 2022 10:14 pm

If the Bucks were simply breaking even in every third quarter this season, they'd be 48-18, on pace for 60 wins...

falcolombardi · Post #1624 » by **falcolombardi** » Wed Mar 9, 2022 10:20 pm

LukaTheGOAT wrote:If the Bucks were simply breaking even in every third quarter this season, they'd be 48-18, on pace for 60 wins...

Team record/srs is sometimes a funny thingh

this +3 srs team feels and probably is more dangerous than the near 70 win pace 2020 bucks

feyki · Post #1625 » by **feyki** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:22 am

LukaTheGOAT wrote:
LukaTheGOAT wrote:Kyrie Irving just scored 50 points on 101.1 TS% (19 shots). Incredible is an understatement.

Found that it is the most efficient game of its kind ever:

Read on Twitter
?s=19

He about to become one of the most underrated players in the league. Dude was always arguably top 10 player in the league since the 2016.

Cavs turned a +3/3,5 actual SRS team than +8/8,5 SRS after he leaved. Celtics were +4,5 SRS with him and +1,5 without him in the 2018 season, despite the Kyrie's low amount of possesions played per game(64 Poss compared to 17 Cavs with 70 and 20 Nets with 72).

Jaivl · Post #1626 » by **Jaivl** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:37 am

feyki wrote:
LukaTheGOAT wrote:
LukaTheGOAT wrote:Kyrie Irving just scored 50 points on 101.1 TS% (19 shots). Incredible is an understatement.

Found that it is the most efficient game of its kind ever:

Read on Twitter
?s=19

He about to become one of the most underrated players in the league. Dude was always arguably top 10 player in the league since the 2016.

Cavs turned a +3/3,5 actual SRS team than +8/8,5 SRS after he leaved. Celtics were +4,5 SRS with him and +1,5 without him in the 2018 season, despite the Kyrie's low amount of possesions played per game(64 Poss compared to 17 Cavs with 70 and 20 Nets with 72).

Arguable/borderline top 10 player seems about right for healthy Irving. However, you have to remember than mainstream media had him way above that, even being favored on comparisons with Curry.

sp6r=underrated · Post #1627 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:27 pm

Jaivl wrote:
feyki wrote:
LukaTheGOAT wrote:
Found that it is the most efficient game of its kind ever:

Read on Twitter
?s=19

He about to become one of the most underrated players in the league. Dude was always arguably top 10 player in the league since the 2016.

Cavs turned a +3/3,5 actual SRS team than +8/8,5 SRS after he leaved. Celtics were +4,5 SRS with him and +1,5 without him in the 2018 season, despite the Kyrie's low amount of possesions played per game(64 Poss compared to 17 Cavs with 70 and 20 Nets with 72).

Arguable/borderline top 10 player seems about right for healthy Irving. However, you have to remember than mainstream media had him way above that, even being favored on comparisons with Curry.

And you have to penalize him for his relatively poor health and negative team impacting intangibles. I'm sorry but his refusal to get the shot really submarined what could have been a championship's core morale. You have to get penalized for that.

sp6r=underrated · Post #1628 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:40 pm

Given Harden's immediate improvement in Philadelphia will his supporters concede he dogged it again to force his way out?

falcolombardi · Post #1629 » by **falcolombardi** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:48 pm

kyrie is like ball handler klay

his supernova nights make peopke think average game kyrie is a lot better thsn he actually is (and kyrie is really good but i dont think has ever been a top 10 player)

not so extreme tho, as many people actually thought klay should have been in the nba top 75 which i didnt see anyone suggest for kyrie

Post #1630 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:31 pm

Read on Twitter

Kanter

Peregrine01 · Post #1631 » by **Peregrine01** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:38 pm

Clyde Frazier wrote:

Read on Twitter

Kanter

Crazy how he kills Rudy.

Post #1632 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:36 pm

Peregrine01 wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:

Read on Twitter

Kanter

Crazy how he kills Rudy.

Totally. Dwight at the top is pretty interesting/impressive too. The volume isn't super high, but high enough to mean something I think. I guess he's able to match Jokic's strength and still quick enough to make it hard on him? I'm not much of a post-prime Dwight fan, but yeah I'm impressed.

falcolombardi · Post #1633 » by **falcolombardi** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:55 pm

if anyone is interested nba twitter account is hosting kareem abdul jabbar right now to talk about his nba top 75

https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1DXGyDVdlRWKM

Heej · Post #1634 » by **Heej** » Thu Mar 10, 2022 10:56 pm

Clyde Frazier wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:

Read on Twitter

Kanter

Crazy how he kills Rudy.

Totally. Dwight at the top is pretty interesting/impressive too. The volume isn't super high, but high enough to mean something I think. I guess he's able to match Jokic's strength and still quick enough to make it hard on him? I'm not much of a post-prime Dwight fan, but yeah I'm impressed.

Dwight frustrated Jokic like crazy in the Bubble WCF

TheGOATRises007 · Post #1635 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:54 am

Kyrie and Durant with a FU 1st half to Harden.

MartinToVaught · Post #1636 » by **MartinToVaught** » Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:31 am

I have no love for the Nets, but I'm grinning from ear to ear seeing them embarrass Harden and Doc. It would be beautiful to see the Nets run the Sixers off the court like this in the playoffs, and then promptly collapse under their own egos in the next round.

Knowing Harden, he has already quit on Philly after this and is starting to plot his exit strategy. He'll blame Embiid, just like he blamed Kyrie, just like he blamed everyone he played with in Houston. He already conveniently "forgot" to pick up his player option for next year after the trade.

Also: I wonder if Simmons regrets ducking this game now? He really blew a huge opportunity to start salvaging his reputation.

Peregrine01 · Post #1637 » by **Peregrine01** » Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:38 am

Heej wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:
Crazy how he kills Rudy.

Totally. Dwight at the top is pretty interesting/impressive too. The volume isn't super high, but high enough to mean something I think. I guess he's able to match Jokic's strength and still quick enough to make it hard on him? I'm not much of a post-prime Dwight fan, but yeah I'm impressed.

Dwight frustrated Jokic like crazy in the Bubble WCF

Jokic put up 22/7/5 against the Lakers on 62% TS. But he played only played 167 minutes in a 5 game series. It was foul trouble that frustrated Jokic more than anything.

Moreover, Jokic is a completely different animal right now. The biggest difference is how much more aggressive he's gotten. I don't think any version of Dwight handles current Jokic very well.

falcolombardi · Post #1638 » by **falcolombardi** » Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:07 am

Clyde Frazier wrote:

Read on Twitter

Kanter

one would think that maybe he reclaims some defensive value against centers who play from the post

but apparently not even there

eminence · Post #1639 » by **eminence** » Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:50 am

Would not have put money on the Nuggets bench torching anybody. You get'm Boogie

I jinxed em.

Peregrine01 · Post #1640 » by **Peregrine01** » Fri Mar 11, 2022 5:15 am

eminence wrote:Would not have put money on the Nuggets bench torching anybody. You get'm Boogie

I jinxed em.

And now reverse jinxed them. :lol:

Nuggets trying to force feed Boogie in the post against Beli backfired badly.