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The 2022 NBA Draft Thread

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Who is your early favorite?

Chet Holmgren
32
32%
Paolo Banchero
23
23%
Jaden Hardy
7
7%
Jabari Smith
35
35%
Jalen Duren
4
4%
 
Total votes: 101

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Re: The 2022 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1941 » by Knightro » Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:32 am

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Post#1942 » by neuraldarwinism » Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:41 am

the good lord has blessed us with a rockets win
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Post#1943 » by tiderulz » Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:45 am

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Knightro wrote:I'm pro Pepe.


I'm not. If pepe had his way, our backcourt right now would be Augustin, Anthony, and DSJ. I finally blocked him months ago and it was the best decision I've made since I joined the forum. I can only handle so much dumb ****.

think this is where im at
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Post#1944 » by pepe1991 » Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:07 am

This is dumb.
I never argue feeling, i can't care less what you feel. I argue opinions. And i don't take this too personal. it's strangers opinion on forum where 99% of people will never be face to face in their lifes.

As for claims. i qouted Janacsek 2012 study from 2012 where he come to conclusion that motor based skils learning curve is strongest between age 4 and 12. There are lot of arguments in science world about it, but strongest argument for limitations of human brain to learn new skills later comes from fact that forgine languages are almost impossible to perfect if you didn't start learning them as late as in puberty.

Furthermore, from sports based studies claims were:
Talent development programmes and the like base their developmental models on the notion that children within the golden age are “in prime position to develop motor coordination and acquire sport-specific skills” (USA Hockey, American Development Model; Mancini, 2015), or that the golden age constitutes a “window of optimal trainability” or “… sensitivity for skill training” (Skate Canada, 2010, both on p. 9).

There seems to be less agreement as to what exact age is the golden one. USA Hockey (2015) state, for instance, it is 9–10 years. Skate Canada (2010) says 8–12, while the Super Futsal School Program (2019) has decided the golden age lies between 6 and 12 years. The majority of estimates seem to lie within the range of 6–12 years, with the majority of authors agreeing that the onset of puberty closes the period. Some writers define different golden ages for boys and girls accordingly (e.g., Squillante, 2018; Parisi, 2019).


Guys like Siakam, Embiid and Duncan exist. They started practicing basketball at age of 14,15 and 16. They, however, entered nba with lot of skill. However we can make argument that they are/Were skilled despite starting to learn about basketball later in life, not because of it. Also their baseline talent is probably much higher than most players have. Embiid explained his ability to shoot by saying he was watching great shooters shoot. That is not how many people can actually learn but hey, there he is.

I do think people actually improve in nba. I'm just not sold on idea that clear weakness can turn into significant nba strenght. I don't belive that some skill will have massive overhaul by strenghtening competition.
Most people who improved their shooting mastered things like catch& shoot because of massive amount of repetition. PJ Tucker normally is definition of mediocre shooter, but guy figured corner 3 point shot is his sweet spot and basically didn't shoot from anywhere but there . TO me this is not player " learning" something but player being smart to adjust his game to his strenghts. ( PJ Tucker, for a record shot 76% of all threes, for career, from corner ).


Xat blocked and it's hilarious. Our last two direct conversations and arguments was him claiming Bamba was more talented than Vuc and him getting worked up about superior talent of ... Garuba. I would probably block myself too if i burned out on Bamba shield. But i still like Xat, i think his posts last 2 years delcined, i think he got worked up himself into political things way too much and he makes argument about things nobody esle actually arguments for or against ( happened other day in topic about winnable games ).
In general if i ever attacked somebody, sorry. Not my intention. Nor should i be topic. Whole thing started with me not being sold on Jabari Smith. I would still not draft him first overall. I would still draft both Banchero AND Chet over him.
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Re: The 2022 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1945 » by pepe1991 » Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:18 am

btw i said i won't talk about Suggs until 2023 to avoid fights about opinions ...
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Re: The 2022 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1946 » by Skin » Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:33 am

Knightro wrote:
Skin wrote:
Knightro wrote:I'm pro Pepe.

It's fine to be pro pepe, but you do have to mod his steps out of bounds or just give up being a mod because it's not a good look for you.


If you're unhappy with the level of moderation within any thread, my recommendation would be to report more posts.

We're happy to review everything and give warnings/bans as necessary.

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You know very well it's not his basketball opinions that I'm referring to. You're active enough to know what myself and others are talking about. If you're only gonna take action on reported posts and turn a blind eye, then you're not doing what a moderator should do. But at least you admitted the bias so it's starting to become clear why when he says stuff like me MOD EDIT: No more references to this type of action please. - Knightro why he gets a pass.
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Post#1947 » by anothermagicfan » Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:55 am

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Knightro wrote:
Skin wrote:It's fine to be pro pepe, but you do have to mod his steps out of bounds or just give up being a mod because it's not a good look for you.


If you're unhappy with the level of moderation within any thread, my recommendation would be to report more posts.

We're happy to review everything and give warnings/bans as necessary.

What we're not going to do is moderate someone's opinion, even if that opinion is extremely unpopular, if that opinion doesn't break any rules.

You know very well it's not his basketball opinions that I'm referring to. You're active enough to know what myself and others are talking about. If you're only gonna take action on reported posts and turn a blind eye, then you're not doing what a moderator should do. But at least you admitted the bias so it's starting to become clear why when he says stuff like me MOD EDIT: No more references to this type of action please. - Knightro why he gets a pass.



MOD EDIT: No need for this part. - Knightro

As for the draft I don't watch nearly enough college or g league to make an informed decision or even form an opinion. I look at a bunch of mock drafts and whatnot throughout the year. This year is just as much of a conundrum as the last several years. To further complement things it's not easy to figure out which current magicians stay and who doesn't
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Post#1948 » by KillMonger » Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:59 am

what is going on in here man....
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Re: The 2022 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1949 » by Skin » Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:06 am

anothermagicfan wrote:
Skin wrote:
Knightro wrote:
If you're unhappy with the level of moderation within any thread, my recommendation would be to report more posts.

We're happy to review everything and give warnings/bans as necessary.

What we're not going to do is moderate someone's opinion, even if that opinion is extremely unpopular, if that opinion doesn't break any rules.

You know very well it's not his basketball opinions that I'm referring to. You're active enough to know what myself and others are talking about. If you're only gonna take action on reported posts and turn a blind eye, then you're not doing what a moderator should do. But at least you admitted the bias so it's starting to become clear why when he says stuff like me sucking WeHam off why he gets a pass.



MOD EDIT: No need for this part. - Knightro

As for the draft I don't watch nearly enough college or g league to make an informed decision or even form an opinion. I look at a bunch of mock drafts and whatnot throughout the year. This year is just as much of a conundrum as the last several years. To further complement things it's not easy to figure out which current magicians stay and who doesn't

OK I'll reply because I'm genuinely interested to know what you are talking about.
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Post#1952 » by Skybox » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:44 pm

I'm Team Pepe (not that anyone cares)...this place would be boring and generally useless without his thoughtful (whether I agree or not) provocative posts. If all I had to read was page after page of "We got screwed by the league", "We got screwed by the refs", "We got screwed by Karma", "Martins told them what color underwear to wear", "Isaac doesn't want to play, he'd rather be storming the Capitol", "Why is he shooting-we need to lose every game every year", "We need to tank every game even though our guys will draft the wrong guy every time" tedious crap...like most social media, hacks like to throw some crap on the wall like it's a fact and get butt-hurt when the response isn't "congratulations on your brilliance"...that's what a forum is! Sure, he's obnoxious and consistently negative and won't respond to repeated pleas to contribute something PROactive instead of scathing reviews of all of our org's mistakes, but that's a little color for this grey subject.
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Post#1953 » by tiderulz » Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:01 pm

Skybox wrote:I'm Team Pepe (not that anyone cares)...this place would be boring and generally useless without his thoughtful (whether I agree or not) provocative posts. If all I had to read was page after page of "We got screwed by the league", "We got screwed by the refs", "We got screwed by Karma", "Martins told them what color underwear to wear", "Isaac doesn't want to play, he'd rather be storming the Capitol", "Why is he shooting-we need to lose every game every year", "We need to tank every game even though our guys will draft the wrong guy every time" tedious crap...like most social media, hacks like to throw some crap on the wall like it's a fact and get butt-hurt when the response isn't "congratulations on your brilliance"...that's what a forum is! Sure, he's obnoxious and consistently negative and won't respond to repeated pleas to contribute something PROactive instead of scathing reviews of all of our org's mistakes, but that's a little color for this grey subject.

I'm Team Orlando, thats why i come to the Orlando site. this place wouldnt be boring and would still survive without him. it was here before him, it will be here after him. I dont care if he posts here, i just wont engage with him anymore.
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Post#1954 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:16 pm

back on track from the dick measuring contest....

Chet Holmgren, Jabari Smith in their own tier, then it's Banchero Ivey and the intriguing Sharpe according to Sam Vecenie of the Athletic. 6-10 are as follows : AJ Griffin, Keegan Murray, Jalen Duran, Johnny Davis, Dyson Daniels.

Dyson... who is this kid?!


Keegan Murray: It’s hard to overemphasize how impressive Murray has been this season offensively. He has answered every question as he’s moved up into a bigger role, shooting 38 percent from 3 on real volume and some minor movement such as little flare actions and pull-ups. He’s a terrific rebounder and makes smart weakside defensive rotations around the rim to be a presence as a shot blocker. He moves exceedingly well without the ball, finding little creases and gaps on cuts to get to the rim or into dead zones in the defense. While he’s not the world’s most creative passer, he’s elite in terms of decision-making and never turns it over.

I’ve had multiple conversations with high-level NBA executives where they raise the question of, “Why is Paolo Banchero a better prospect than Murray?” To me, Banchero is slightly ahead because he’s bigger, a bit stronger and is a better on-ball shot creator. His handle is better, and I think it translates better toward him being a top-two option in the NBA. But these are absolutely conversations executives are having right now, and it’s a testament to Murray’s production that he’s in the mix to be selected in the top five.


Dyson Daniels: Daniels doesn’t move up the board at all, but I think he’s done a really great job late in the season for the Ignite of solidifying himself in a couple of respects. He’s clearly the guy scouts like most out of the Ignite’s 2022 draft prospects. Maybe not every scout, but certainly the majority of them like Daniels more than Jaden Hardy, MarJon Beauchamp and Michael Foster. Why? Daniels just continues to look completely and utterly comfortable as a professional in ways the others do not.

A number of scouts have commented to me that Daniels was the player of the group who looked least bothered and most ready when the Ignite guys played in the Rising Stars competition. While you don’t want to read too much into an exhibition setting, that also lines up entirely with what the tape from Daniels with the Ignite will show. He defends at a high level. He can run the point and get his teammates involved. His two-foot jump-stop floater looks immediately translatable as an in-between weapon, and he finishes well around the rim. His jumper is showing strides, and he’s clearly working on it in a way that is translatable to the NBA. He takes everything off the hop now to get into rhythm and takes them with a lot more confidence than he did early in the season. I think I’d be surprised at this point if he fell outside of the top 15.
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
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Post#1955 » by tiderulz » Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:44 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:back on track from the dick measuring contest....

Chet Holmgren, Jabari Smith in their own tier, then it's Banchero Ivey and the intriguing Sharpe according to Sam Vecenie of the Athletic. 6-10 are as follows : AJ Griffin, Keegan Murray, Jalen Duran, Johnny Davis, Dyson Daniels.

Dyson... who is this kid?!


Keegan Murray: It’s hard to overemphasize how impressive Murray has been this season offensively. He has answered every question as he’s moved up into a bigger role, shooting 38 percent from 3 on real volume and some minor movement such as little flare actions and pull-ups. He’s a terrific rebounder and makes smart weakside defensive rotations around the rim to be a presence as a shot blocker. He moves exceedingly well without the ball, finding little creases and gaps on cuts to get to the rim or into dead zones in the defense. While he’s not the world’s most creative passer, he’s elite in terms of decision-making and never turns it over.

I’ve had multiple conversations with high-level NBA executives where they raise the question of, “Why is Paolo Banchero a better prospect than Murray?” To me, Banchero is slightly ahead because he’s bigger, a bit stronger and is a better on-ball shot creator. His handle is better, and I think it translates better toward him being a top-two option in the NBA. But these are absolutely conversations executives are having right now, and it’s a testament to Murray’s production that he’s in the mix to be selected in the top five.


Dyson Daniels: Daniels doesn’t move up the board at all, but I think he’s done a really great job late in the season for the Ignite of solidifying himself in a couple of respects. He’s clearly the guy scouts like most out of the Ignite’s 2022 draft prospects. Maybe not every scout, but certainly the majority of them like Daniels more than Jaden Hardy, MarJon Beauchamp and Michael Foster. Why? Daniels just continues to look completely and utterly comfortable as a professional in ways the others do not.

A number of scouts have commented to me that Daniels was the player of the group who looked least bothered and most ready when the Ignite guys played in the Rising Stars competition. While you don’t want to read too much into an exhibition setting, that also lines up entirely with what the tape from Daniels with the Ignite will show. He defends at a high level. He can run the point and get his teammates involved. His two-foot jump-stop floater looks immediately translatable as an in-between weapon, and he finishes well around the rim. His jumper is showing strides, and he’s clearly working on it in a way that is translatable to the NBA. He takes everything off the hop now to get into rhythm and takes them with a lot more confidence than he did early in the season. I think I’d be surprised at this point if he fell outside of the top 15.

Dyson an Aussie product, athletic that cant shoot from distance. sound familiar?
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Post#1956 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:54 pm

tiderulz wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:back on track from the dick measuring contest....

Chet Holmgren, Jabari Smith in their own tier, then it's Banchero Ivey and the intriguing Sharpe according to Sam Vecenie of the Athletic. 6-10 are as follows : AJ Griffin, Keegan Murray, Jalen Duran, Johnny Davis, Dyson Daniels.

Dyson... who is this kid?!


Keegan Murray: It’s hard to overemphasize how impressive Murray has been this season offensively. He has answered every question as he’s moved up into a bigger role, shooting 38 percent from 3 on real volume and some minor movement such as little flare actions and pull-ups. He’s a terrific rebounder and makes smart weakside defensive rotations around the rim to be a presence as a shot blocker. He moves exceedingly well without the ball, finding little creases and gaps on cuts to get to the rim or into dead zones in the defense. While he’s not the world’s most creative passer, he’s elite in terms of decision-making and never turns it over.

I’ve had multiple conversations with high-level NBA executives where they raise the question of, “Why is Paolo Banchero a better prospect than Murray?” To me, Banchero is slightly ahead because he’s bigger, a bit stronger and is a better on-ball shot creator. His handle is better, and I think it translates better toward him being a top-two option in the NBA. But these are absolutely conversations executives are having right now, and it’s a testament to Murray’s production that he’s in the mix to be selected in the top five.


Dyson Daniels: Daniels doesn’t move up the board at all, but I think he’s done a really great job late in the season for the Ignite of solidifying himself in a couple of respects. He’s clearly the guy scouts like most out of the Ignite’s 2022 draft prospects. Maybe not every scout, but certainly the majority of them like Daniels more than Jaden Hardy, MarJon Beauchamp and Michael Foster. Why? Daniels just continues to look completely and utterly comfortable as a professional in ways the others do not.

A number of scouts have commented to me that Daniels was the player of the group who looked least bothered and most ready when the Ignite guys played in the Rising Stars competition. While you don’t want to read too much into an exhibition setting, that also lines up entirely with what the tape from Daniels with the Ignite will show. He defends at a high level. He can run the point and get his teammates involved. His two-foot jump-stop floater looks immediately translatable as an in-between weapon, and he finishes well around the rim. His jumper is showing strides, and he’s clearly working on it in a way that is translatable to the NBA. He takes everything off the hop now to get into rhythm and takes them with a lot more confidence than he did early in the season. I think I’d be surprised at this point if he fell outside of the top 15.

Dyson an Aussie product, athletic that cant shoot from distance. sound familiar?

ahhh the next Exum?
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Post#1957 » by pepe1991 » Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:57 pm

tiderulz wrote:
Skybox wrote:I'm Team Pepe (not that anyone cares)...this place would be boring and generally useless without his thoughtful (whether I agree or not) provocative posts. If all I had to read was page after page of "We got screwed by the league", "We got screwed by the refs", "We got screwed by Karma", "Martins told them what color underwear to wear", "Isaac doesn't want to play, he'd rather be storming the Capitol", "Why is he shooting-we need to lose every game every year", "We need to tank every game even though our guys will draft the wrong guy every time" tedious crap...like most social media, hacks like to throw some crap on the wall like it's a fact and get butt-hurt when the response isn't "congratulations on your brilliance"...that's what a forum is! Sure, he's obnoxious and consistently negative and won't respond to repeated pleas to contribute something PROactive instead of scathing reviews of all of our org's mistakes, but that's a little color for this grey subject.

I'm Team Orlando, thats why i come to the Orlando site. this place wouldnt be boring and would still survive without him. it was here before him, it will be here after him. I dont care if he posts here, i just wont engage with him anymore.


Whole thing started by me saying that Jabari Smith can't put ball on the floor and has no post moves.
Your "comeback" wasn't even trying to add anything to context, you had snarky "if only every player was fully developed at 18 and didnt have any weaknesses, it would make drafting so much easier."

My reply was "This is one of dummest things people like to say and think here and by default always leads teams to draft half baked, untalented kids with good physical profiles and little to non basketball skills because of "potential"."

And that is moment when you pulled victim card and started crying that i called you dumb , when in reality it was you, not me, that started whole thing up and had zero desire to add to conversation and just wanted to start bickering for whatever reason.

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Post#1958 » by Skybox » Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:04 pm

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tiderulz wrote:
Skybox wrote:I'm Team Pepe (not that anyone cares)...this place would be boring and generally useless without his thoughtful (whether I agree or not) provocative posts. If all I had to read was page after page of "We got screwed by the league", "We got screwed by the refs", "We got screwed by Karma", "Martins told them what color underwear to wear", "Isaac doesn't want to play, he'd rather be storming the Capitol", "Why is he shooting-we need to lose every game every year", "We need to tank every game even though our guys will draft the wrong guy every time" tedious crap...like most social media, hacks like to throw some crap on the wall like it's a fact and get butt-hurt when the response isn't "congratulations on your brilliance"...that's what a forum is! Sure, he's obnoxious and consistently negative and won't respond to repeated pleas to contribute something PROactive instead of scathing reviews of all of our org's mistakes, but that's a little color for this grey subject.

I'm Team Orlando, thats why i come to the Orlando site. this place wouldnt be boring and would still survive without him. it was here before him, it will be here after him. I dont care if he posts here, i just wont engage with him anymore.


Whole thing started by me saying that Jabari Smith can't put ball on the floor and has no post moves.
Your "comeback" wasn't even trying to add anything to context, you had snarky "if only every player was fully developed at 18 and didnt have any weaknesses, it would make drafting so much easier."

My reply was "This is one of dummest things people like to say and think here and by default always leads teams to draft half baked, untalented kids with good physical profiles and little to non basketball skills because of "potential"."

And that is moment when you pulled victim card and started crying that i called you dumb , when in reality it was you, not me, that started whole thing up and had zero desire to add to conversation and just wanted to start bickering for whatever reason.


Way to double-down on the villain role :lol:
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Post#1959 » by tiderulz » Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:12 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:back on track from the dick measuring contest....

Chet Holmgren, Jabari Smith in their own tier, then it's Banchero Ivey and the intriguing Sharpe according to Sam Vecenie of the Athletic. 6-10 are as follows : AJ Griffin, Keegan Murray, Jalen Duran, Johnny Davis, Dyson Daniels.

Dyson... who is this kid?!





Dyson an Aussie product, athletic that cant shoot from distance. sound familiar?

ahhh the next Exum?

could be. Exum was supposed to be good defensively with bad offensive skills. very similar it seems.
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Post#1960 » by OrlChamps2030 » Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:00 pm

tiderulz wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
tiderulz wrote:Dyson an Aussie product, athletic that cant shoot from distance. sound familiar?

ahhh the next Exum?

could be. Exum was supposed to be good defensively with bad offensive skills. very similar it seems.

Exum-Daniels feels like a bad comp, I don’t see a lot in common other than being 6”6 light skin Australian dudes with a bad 3 point shot. Exum was an athlete that needed to learn how to play basketball, Daniels actually has skill. He’ll be outside of our range, but he looks like an interesting player. Pretty complete game and can run some half court offense and play defense. He gives off some Malcolm Brogdon vibes. He looks like a guy the Heat/Spurs/Pacers would draft in the 10-15 range that ends up having a solid nba career





Both in the last week


More interesting though is Vecencie has Mathurin at 13? What’s up with that

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