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2021-2022 Regular Season Game 69: Philadelphia 76ers (38-29) at Orlando Magic (17-50) - 3/11/22 - 7pm ET

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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 69: Philadelphia 76ers (38-29) at Orlando Magic (17-50) - 3/11/22 - 7pm ET 

Post#221 » by thelead » Mon Mar 14, 2022 3:59 am

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tiderulz wrote:and thats how you get Cole Anthony, Andrew Wiggins, Brandon Jennings, you let them come in and shoot with no conscience. that is not how you develop a good player.


You're missing some nuance.

I don't think he should be forcing shots but I don't think he should be turning down open 3s in games we're not that interested in winning, even if turning them down is the right play.

Why? Because turning down shots gets into a player's head. It's the ultimate confirmation of "I can't do this". If the coach tells you not to shoot them the player is thinking "Nobody believes I can do this".

On the other hand, if the coach is encouraging you to put it up, the player thinks "This is just a matter of practice, everyone can see I'm actually a good shooter".

Now if Suggs wanted to put up an off the dribble step back with Tyebulle in his jersey? I would say no but uncontested threes aren't that.

Depends. Passing up an open 3 can also mean you’re confident it will go in but we are trying to lose games. So why shoot?

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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 69: Philadelphia 76ers (38-29) at Orlando Magic (17-50) - 3/11/22 - 7pm ET 

Post#222 » by fendilim » Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:01 am

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tiderulz wrote:thats 10-63. 16% from 3. that is a broken shot


Was at the game. It feels like he just kinda flicks it up there. Wish he had a bit more legs in his shot. Maybe that's just me though.

Definitely think no legs and he is struggling like how Redick was in his first few years in the league.

Not as good of a shooter as JJ, but their physical limitations hinders their vision and confidence, IMO.
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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 69: Philadelphia 76ers (38-29) at Orlando Magic (17-50) - 3/11/22 - 7pm ET 

Post#223 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:21 am

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JTG_92940618 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:and thats how you get Cole Anthony, Andrew Wiggins, Brandon Jennings, you let them come in and shoot with no conscience. that is not how you develop a good player.


You're missing some nuance.

I don't think he should be forcing shots but I don't think he should be turning down open 3s in games we're not that interested in winning, even if turning them down is the right play.

Why? Because turning down shots gets into a player's head. It's the ultimate confirmation of "I can't do this". If the coach tells you not to shoot them the player is thinking "Nobody believes I can do this".

On the other hand, if the coach is encouraging you to put it up, the player thinks "This is just a matter of practice, everyone can see I'm actually a good shooter".

Now if Suggs wanted to put up an off the dribble step back with Tyebulle in his jersey? I would say no but uncontested threes aren't that.

last games for Suggs from 3
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1-3
0-2
1-5
2-4
0-2
0-4
0-4
1-4
0-3
0-2
0-1
3-6
0-5
1-6
1-5

thats 10-63. 16% from 3. that is a broken shot


Suggs shooting 22.4% from the 3 for the season, so not far from his average in addition to 36.3% from the court overall.
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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 69: Philadelphia 76ers (38-29) at Orlando Magic (17-50) - 3/11/22 - 7pm ET 

Post#224 » by JF5 » Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:53 am

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tiderulz wrote:thats 10-63. 16% from 3. that is a broken shot


Was at the game. It feels like he just kinda flicks it up there. Wish he had a bit more legs in his shot. Maybe that's just me though.


I've seen him live multiple times and there are several issues I see with his shot.

He has alignment issues. Shots I've seen go in typically he's shooting directly over his forehead. If he kind of shifts it ever so slightly it's less likely to go in.

Then there are the magnitude of leg injuries he's dealing with. I believe he not only has an ankle injury but thigh and knee issues as well. He's playing a lot deeper into a season which he doesn't have the leg for either.

They probably need to shut him down. I think they're trying to make sure he understands this is a marathon and his body has to adjust to a long season.

Then you have the mental aspect where it just shakes his confidence. Like you mentioned he flicks it rather than actually having an accurate form where he's actually targeting the rim.

Good thing he can actually fix his mechanics while a f build the leg strength to be a better shooter. I honestly think he'll be around 44-45 percent from the field and between 32-34 percent from downtown if he works on his game enough.
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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 69: Philadelphia 76ers (38-29) at Orlando Magic (17-50) - 3/11/22 - 7pm ET 

Post#225 » by DiplomaticMagic » Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:42 am

First off, the Sixer fans are the most toxic in whole NBA. And they have no chance in playoffs. 2nd round exit at best.

Fultz absolutely dominated his minutes. Next year, we will be better with him at the helm and not Cole.

Cole's 3pters in OT were big time for sure, but again felt like he was playing hero ball after that. He couldve drove more or passed the ball on the play that got overturned. Also we should've looked elsewhere for the last play but oh well. Those 3s were huge though and he did attack the rim and got to ft line.

Sucks that Franz missed the ft, I dont think hes a choker so like him getting the look anyway. He needs more touches though, no question.

Mosley shouldve finished with Okeke and not Bamba. Bamba did nothing all game and Okeke is a better matchup for Harris. Also Okeke had a good first half.

I really have to credit WCJ, he was holding his own to Embiid. A lot of people were saying hes our starting C and I was skeptical of that. But he absolutely improved his game. He would be a great C next to either a healthy Isaac or Chet.
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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 69: Philadelphia 76ers (38-29) at Orlando Magic (17-50) - 3/11/22 - 7pm ET 

Post#226 » by drsd » Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:09 am

neuraldarwinism wrote:the fragility of the tank is going to kill me



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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 69: Philadelphia 76ers (38-29) at Orlando Magic (17-50) - 3/11/22 - 7pm ET 

Post#227 » by pepe1991 » Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:36 am

I would not bet my money 76ers will win whole thing, but i would also not bet against them. In playoffs 20 FTM of easy points is something that every team will want. Bucks, defending champions, don't look like ones nowdays. West is as wild as it gets. Maybe Suns have that Spurs revange 2014 season where team comes together from finals loss with chip on their shoulders, but everything will come down to Chris Paul health.
They have bench depth issues. Sure. But when Green returns and they get somebody from buyout market, they will have solid enough bench to survive 10 min without Embiid & Harden.


Magic bench was guns blazing, making 12 out of 21 threes (36 points on 21 shots is phenomenal) .

That being said, Wagner is best Magic player and best hope for star, so team has to find ways to get him more involved than 6 shots.

As usual lot of Cole trashing, in reality only reason why game was winnable in OT was his 3 threes made in a row, making 9 out of 10 points in OT.
Guy is yet to turn 22, sophmore. He views himself more than he is,however, that doesn't mean he is untalented player on impossible to polish into player you want him to be.
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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 69: Philadelphia 76ers (38-29) at Orlando Magic (17-50) - 3/11/22 - 7pm ET 

Post#228 » by LDNMagic90 » Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:01 am

Man... Fultz is head and shoulders above everyone in terms of playmaking he makes it look easy. I forgot how effortless he makes it driving and kicking.

Also I think I've become a super fan of WCJ, this guy is SOLID. The last two games he's come up against the leagues best big men and he didn't shrink at all, he can bang with anyone and he is also a smart player.

Not everyone on this roster will be here in the next 2 years, but we have some decent to good players on this team way more than scrubs which is promising for our future.
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Post#229 » by Blue_and_Whte » Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:37 am

Well played game IMO. I’ll tAke these kind of losses.
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Post#230 » by pepe1991 » Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:43 am

Blue_and_Whte wrote:Well played game IMO. I’ll tAke these kind of losses.


Pretty much perfect rebuild/tank game. You play hard, young players play well, but lose.
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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 69: Philadelphia 76ers (38-29) at Orlando Magic (17-50) - 3/11/22 - 7pm ET 

Post#231 » by jezzerinho » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:05 am

I only got to see highlights which always leave out FTs, so it seems i missed out on the majority of the game!

Were the fouls on Embiid and Harden as phantom as usual? Just from the sheer volume awarded it seems we didn't get much change from the officials...
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Post#232 » by ReadyOrlando » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:35 am

jezzerinho wrote:I only got to see highlights which always leave out FTs, so it seems i missed out on the majority of the game!

Were the fouls on Embiid and Harden as phantom as usual? Just from the sheer volume awarded it seems we didn't get much change from the officials...

In my mind, There were a few phantom ones. But the main issue to me was that we didn't get the same calls.
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Post#233 » by KillMonger » Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:40 am

Franz Wagner.....35 minutes.....6 TOUCHES??

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Post#234 » by drsd » Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:45 am

Positivity stats of the game:
1) Orlando dominated in FG%. That is usually decisive for the win.
2) high volume of three-ball shots were made at a very high clip. 18-43 (41.9%) is a Warriors-type box score.
3) In shooting the ball ell, the Magic still collected an amazing 50 boards.

4) And a stat to make coach happy: only 11 TOs.


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Post#235 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:26 pm

KillMonger wrote:Franz Wagner.....35 minutes.....6 TOUCHES??

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He passed the ball most of the time and he refused to shoot.
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Post#236 » by basketballRob » Mon Mar 14, 2022 3:04 pm

Franz got fouled a lot but didn't get calls. Philadelphia looked they were intentionally trying to be more physical.

Sidenote, Tobias is the most overrated player of all time and no team will win a championship with him.

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Post#237 » by KillMonger » Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:12 pm

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KillMonger wrote:Franz Wagner.....35 minutes.....6 TOUCHES??

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He passed the ball most of the time and he refused to shoot.
I was only able to watch the first quarter so if that's so then so be it... But in that first quarter it wasn't until around the 8 minute mark he even touched the ball and even then it was a dho... If I remember correctly he didn't even get his first legit touch until like the 5 minute mark? It's just crazy to me a team can go that long without involving one of the their best players

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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 69: Philadelphia 76ers (38-29) at Orlando Magic (17-50) - 3/11/22 - 7pm ET 

Post#238 » by thelead » Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:14 pm

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KillMonger wrote:Franz Wagner.....35 minutes.....6 TOUCHES??

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He passed the ball most of the time and he refused to shoot.

He passes the ball because good teams do that. The idea is to continue to move the ball until you find a good shot. The problem is we have shoot first guys around him... which is why we're one of the worst teams in the NBA.
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Re: 2021-2022 Regular Season Game 69: Philadelphia 76ers (38-29) at Orlando Magic (17-50) - 3/11/22 - 7pm ET 

Post#239 » by ChosenSavior » Tue Mar 15, 2022 12:52 pm

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ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
KillMonger wrote:Franz Wagner.....35 minutes.....6 TOUCHES??

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He passed the ball most of the time and he refused to shoot.

He passes the ball because good teams do that. The idea is to continue to move the ball until you find a good shot. The problem is we have shoot first guys around him... which is why we're one of the worst teams in the NBA.


Correct assessment here. As we improve the roster and hopefully get guys who can space the floor better, his cutting ability along with his ability to attack angles will shine even more.

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