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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#1081 » by HiRez » Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:30 pm

How the hell did Wiseman go from "he should be ready for training camp" to "he's not going to play this year" (not there quite yet but it looks like that's where it's heading)? I know injuries aren't fully predictable but damn, that's about as bad a miscalculation as you could have.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#1082 » by FNQ » Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:30 pm

vagelis wrote:This is not on Wiseman, this situation has to do with Warriors medical staff.
It was a bad decision to repair and not cut off the teared meniscus.
Rose lost one year with the same decision and Wiseman is the same case.

Wiseman is young and a meniscus tear is not a big injury.
When he will have a serious medical treatment he will be ok



Speculation wrote:This is not on Wiseman, this situation has to do with Warriors medical staff.
When he will have a serious medical treatment he will be ok


Untrue wrote:It was a bad decision to repair and not cut off the teared meniscus.
Wiseman is young and a meniscus tear is not a big injury.


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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#1083 » by FNQ » Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:33 pm

Big J wrote:You guys are acting like this is breaking news. Hell, Iggy even bashed the medical staff on his way out.


I'm sensing a pattern here.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2842970-andre-iguodala-clarifies-comments-on-warriors-training-staff-kevin-durant

While talking to Mark Medina of the Mercury News, Iguodala made it clear that he did not believe there was any "internal pressure at all" as he worked his way back from a leg injury during the 2018 postseason:

"I don't think it was internal pressure at all. It had nothing to do with me. When you read an MRI, it can be read so many different ways. Even if I thought what it was or they thought what it was, we were all clear and on the same page. My leg was stable. In that area, even if you have a bruise or a fracture, it is very similar. People don't realize that. We were both on the same page that it was stable and that part of the body was fine to go play. Regardless of what I thought it was or what they thought it was or what anybody thought it was, we were all on the same page that I was good to go. It was a stable leg."

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The injury immediately resulted in second-guessing, with some questioning just how serious Durant's initial was. Iguodala doesn't believe the Warriors' training staff is at fault, though, per Medina:

"From what I learned about the body is that I don’t think the two were connected personally with his injuries. When he goes down, I look at it as an act of God and a higher power that says, 'This is your journey and the course.' Of course, we as human beings, we try to have control over everything. We want to control the narrative. We want to put our opinions to everything and say we’re right about something and try to prove someone else wrong. Especially with our team and situation, someone is trying to knock us off a pedestal. Someone is trying to break us apart. I've said that many things throughout my career. This was actually something that was positive. But with this being with our team, it was turned into something negative. That was my take on KD’s thing. I don’t think he was pressured by anyone."
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#1084 » by wco81 » Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:55 pm

Has he been taking up a roster spot all season?

There's no injured reserve?
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Post#1085 » by vagelis » Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:55 pm

empty answer wrote:
vagelis wrote:This is not on Wiseman, this situation has to do with Warriors medical staff.
It was a bad decision to repair and not cut off the teared meniscus.
Rose lost one year with the same decision and Wiseman is the same case.

Wiseman is young and a meniscus tear is not a big injury.
When he will have a serious medical treatment he will be ok



Speculation wrote:This is not on Wiseman, this situation has to do with Warriors medical staff.
When he will have a serious medical treatment he will be ok


Untrue wrote:It was a bad decision to repair and not cut off the teared meniscus.
Wiseman is young and a meniscus tear is not a big injury.


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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#1086 » by Big J » Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:26 pm

I'm with vagelis. Just trim the meniscus and he'll be back in 4-6 weeks. None of this repair nonsense that takes 9 months and ends up failing. We have him under contract for 2 more years after this one we need to get as many games under his belt so we can decide whether to re sign him or not.
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Post#1087 » by FNQ » Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:32 pm

You guys should be doctors, such a good grasp on all this medical info

“Remove the meniscus of a 20 year old because it will help heal faster”

Do you guys what Dunning-Kruger is? What am I saying.. you guys probably have extensive backgrounds in that too
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Post#1088 » by tarantism » Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:51 pm

Do we even know anything outside of he didn't practice with the team this week and won't play in the G League tonight? Seems like the doom and gloomers + the LaMelo truthers took that sliver of info and ran with it. Unless I missed something - and I might have - we have no confirmation that he will be out for another extended period of time due to this swelling.

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Post#1089 » by watch1958 » Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:58 pm

FNQ wrote:You guys should be doctors, such a good grasp on all this medical info

“Remove the meniscus of a 20 year old because it will help heal faster”

Do you guys what Dunning-Kruger is? What am I saying.. you guys probably have extensive backgrounds in that
Now I am just an inter web doctor like everyone else, but I haven’t found ANY source recommending removal/shaving for someone in Wiseman’s circumstances.
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Post#1090 » by cpower » Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:58 pm

there is a silver lining. we have his team option for next 2 years. maybe just let him walk to free up space and pick up vets for the last 2 years push.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#1091 » by FNQ » Sun Mar 20, 2022 8:22 pm

tarantism wrote:Do we even know anything outside of he didn't practice with the team this week and won't play in the G League tonight? Seems like the doom and gloomers + the LaMelo truthers took that sliver of info and ran with it. Unless I missed something - and I might have - we have no confirmation that he will be out for another extended period of time due to this swelling.

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Correct, it could just be a small bump in the road, however it does reset the rehab clock. So it is expected that he's done for the year, even in the most optimistic of scenarios
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#1092 » by FNQ » Sun Mar 20, 2022 8:23 pm

watch1958 wrote:
FNQ wrote:You guys should be doctors, such a good grasp on all this medical info

“Remove the meniscus of a 20 year old because it will help heal faster”

Do you guys what Dunning-Kruger is? What am I saying.. you guys probably have extensive backgrounds in that
Now I am just an inter web doctor like everyone else, but I haven’t found ANY source recommending removal/shaving for someone in Wiseman’s circumstances.


You can, however, find numerous sites and medical blogs explaining why removing meniscus is a bad idea for someone's long term knee health and should only be done in situations where the cartilage is too far gone
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#1093 » by GunnerWRX » Sun Mar 20, 2022 8:30 pm

cpower wrote:there is a silver lining. we have his team option for next 2 years. maybe just let him walk to free up space and pick up vets for the last 2 years push.


Let him walk and we can use the TMLE.

Keep him and we can still use the TMLE.

Letting him walk does not free up space to pick up vets.

We won’t have space until Steph and Klay stop making $50m and $40m, respectively.

I am amazed that people making so many posts still have zero idea about so many things about this team.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#1094 » by watch1958 » Sun Mar 20, 2022 8:33 pm

FNQ wrote:
watch1958 wrote:
FNQ wrote:You guys should be doctors, such a good grasp on all this medical info

“Remove the meniscus of a 20 year old because it will help heal faster”

Do you guys what Dunning-Kruger is? What am I saying.. you guys probably have extensive backgrounds in that
Now I am just an inter web doctor like everyone else, but I haven’t found ANY source recommending removal/shaving for someone in Wiseman’s circumstances.


You can, however, find numerous sites and medical blogs explaining why removing meniscus is a bad idea for someone's long term knee health and should only be done in situations where the cartilage is too far gone
Why yes, lots.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#1095 » by cpower » Sun Mar 20, 2022 8:36 pm

GunnerWRX wrote:
cpower wrote:there is a silver lining. we have his team option for next 2 years. maybe just let him walk to free up space and pick up vets for the last 2 years push.


Let him walk and we can use the TMLE.

Keep him and we can still use the TMLE.

Letting him walk does not free up space to pick up vets.

We won’t have space until Steph and Klay stop making $50m and $40m, respectively.

I am amazed that people making so many posts still have zero idea about so many things about this team.

i meant the luxury tax situation is different. without 10M we wont be hard capped so easy
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#1096 » by Big J » Sun Mar 20, 2022 8:40 pm

FNQ wrote:You guys should be doctors, such a good grasp on all this medical info

“Remove the meniscus of a 20 year old because it will help heal faster”

Do you guys what Dunning-Kruger is? What am I saying.. you guys probably have extensive backgrounds in that too


…and you should be a coach, since you know which guys should get minutes better than our coaches.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#1097 » by whatisacenter » Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:30 pm

cpower wrote:
GunnerWRX wrote:
cpower wrote:there is a silver lining. we have his team option for next 2 years. maybe just let him walk to free up space and pick up vets for the last 2 years push.


Let him walk and we can use the TMLE.

Keep him and we can still use the TMLE.

Letting him walk does not free up space to pick up vets.

We won’t have space until Steph and Klay stop making $50m and $40m, respectively.

I am amazed that people making so many posts still have zero idea about so many things about this team.

i meant the luxury tax situation is different. without 10M we wont be hard capped so easy


wrong again. the team won't be hard capped unless they acquire a player via a S&T. Letting Wiseman walk for nothing will only save Lacob money and will not have any impact on the ability to add to the roster. Steph, Klay and Draymond take up almost all of the teams salary under the cap and that is without considering Wiggins salary.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#1098 » by tarantism » Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:35 pm

You guys, there is absolutely no way they let Wiseman walk. Not even worth a discussion.

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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#1099 » by FNQ » Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:58 pm

Big J wrote:
FNQ wrote:You guys should be doctors, such a good grasp on all this medical info

“Remove the meniscus of a 20 year old because it will help heal faster”

Do you guys what Dunning-Kruger is? What am I saying.. you guys probably have extensive backgrounds in that too


…and you should be a coach, since you know which guys should get minutes better than our coaches.


Thanks, but other than benching Lee I really don’t have an issue about the rotation of the team I fanatically support, but can provide evidence to support my suggestion

It’s not like I know nothing about the Warriors and did a quick Google search on them, then made a statement that’s easily proven to be incorrect
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#1100 » by xdrta+ » Sun Mar 20, 2022 10:39 pm

tarantism wrote:You guys, there is absolutely no way they let Wiseman walk. Not even worth a discussion.

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