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Post#901 » by HardenGoat » Sat Apr 2, 2022 3:49 pm

76ciology wrote:If we have another lengthy players who would allow us to plays defense more collectively than heavy reliance on Embiid, it will ease Embiid’s load on defense that he can ease Harden’s load on offense that would give them more energy that decrease the chance of them falling short when we need them the most.

What good is having a scorer as good as Harden, when your poor team defense can make Saddiq Bey look as good as Harden? What good is Embiid’s iso skills if CP3 can just get Ayton open looks at the basket? What good is Embiid’s rim protection when he is at the corner staying close to Brolo at corner 3?

Love it or hate it, our season hinges on Embiid and Harden scoring on ISO down the stretch. What we need now is to focus on being better on the other end.

Exactly. A big part is on the coach not using young fresh legs rotated into the center spot that offers some rim protection. Niang is also not a good defensive player, they have been getting switched off on him from Thybulle consistently and he lacks the speed to cover ground. Niang should be a backup shooter that comes in and plays short minutes but he is left in for way too long. Doc should play Bassey and Reed. I really like Bassey because he can offer paint protection and let Niang play a little closer to perimeter players without such an obvious blow by penalty. Instead we have a defense that allows open 3’a and no resistance in the paint either.
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Post#902 » by Ferry Avenue » Sat Apr 2, 2022 4:04 pm

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76ciology wrote:If we have another lengthy players who would allow us to plays defense more collectively than heavy reliance on Embiid, it will ease Embiid’s load on defense that he can ease Harden’s load on offense that would give them more energy that decrease the chance of them falling short when we need them the most.

What good is having a scorer as good as Harden, when your poor team defense can make Saddiq Bey look as good as Harden? What good is Embiid’s iso skills if CP3 can just get Ayton open looks at the basket? What good is Embiid’s rim protection when he is at the corner staying close to Brolo at corner 3?

Love it or hate it, our season hinges on Embiid and Harden scoring on ISO down the stretch. What we need now is to focus on being better on the other end.

Exactly. A big part is on the coach not using young fresh legs rotated into the center spot that offers some rim protection. Niang is also not a good defensive player, they have been getting switched off on him from Thybulle consistently and he lacks the speed to cover ground. Niang should be a backup shooter that comes in and plays short minutes but he is left in for way too long. Doc should play Bassey and Reed. I really like Bassey because he can offer paint protection and let Niang play a little closer to perimeter players without such an obvious blow by penalty. Instead we have a defense that allows open 3’a and no resistance in the paint either.

The defense is definitely a problem, but this team should be beating teams 115-110 with its offensive firepower. Another big issue is that the offense crumbles in the clutch, while the defense continues to hemorrhage points.

In the NFL for example there are teams whose offenses function so well that they overcome their poor defenses and they routinely beat teams in the neighborhood of 35-31. If those teams' quarterbacks and receivers suddenly fell off a cliff in the fourth quarter and couldn't function in their customary manner, those teams would lose 31-24 instead and you'd have the equivalent of this Sixers team.
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Post#903 » by T_Brandon » Sun Apr 3, 2022 2:49 pm

Nets this year:

With Harden 25-18
Without Harden 14-20

Sixers with Harden 15-8

Brooklyn without Harden after trade with KD & Irving
5-6

Hummmm....
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Post#904 » by RoyceDa59 » Sun Apr 3, 2022 2:56 pm

If Harden can become the 3rd scorer, main facilitator it starts to look really good for Philly.

Harris and Maxey are each capable of 20 ppg.

Philly with ball movement is a scary team.
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Post#905 » by T_Brandon » Sun Apr 3, 2022 2:58 pm

RoyceDa59 wrote:If Harden can become the 3rd scorer, main facilitator it starts to look really good for Philly.

Harris and Maxey are each capable of 20 ppg.

Philly with ball movement is a scary team.


Yep

Keep running the PNR it’s tough to stop if the double Joel James has a lane to the tin or that corner 3 is wide open
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Post#906 » by mjkvol » Sun Apr 3, 2022 3:40 pm

T_Brandon wrote:
RoyceDa59 wrote:If Harden can become the 3rd scorer, main facilitator it starts to look really good for Philly.

Harris and Maxey are each capable of 20 ppg.

Philly with ball movement is a scary team.


Yep

Keep running the PNR it’s tough to stop if the double Joel James has a lane to the tin or that corner 3 is wide open


That was the recipe in the 3rd quarter yesterday - the P&R was lethal, and having Niang and Green in the corners made it more unstoppable. Keep that up, please.
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Post#907 » by Ferry Avenue » Sun Apr 3, 2022 4:36 pm

RoyceDa59 wrote:If Harden can become the 3rd scorer, main facilitator it starts to look really good for Philly.

Harris and Maxey are each capable of 20 ppg.

Philly with ball movement is a scary team.

Maxey is certainly capable of scoring 20 points (or more) in a game, but the question remains whether that can be expected from him. In the games Harden has played Maxey has averaged 17.5 points per game, but he's had 6 of those 17 games in which he's scored 13 or fewer points, including three of those games with points in just single digits. So there has been wide variation in his point output.

So the team would have to sit Maxey down and say this is what we need from you, and then design the offense around that. In my opinion this is what should've happened the other day when Rivers sat Harden down and essentially did that.

Harris is essentially in the same boat, having averaged 14.9 points in the games Harden has played. Likewise in 9 of the 17 games Harden has played Harris has scored 14 or fewer points, however, including three of those in just single digits. So there has been similar wide variation in Harris's point output.

So you can certainly plan things in this direction in theory, but you know what they say about the best laid plans. You're talking about transitioning the scoring from one of the greatest scorers of all time to two players whose scoring is far less reliable historically. That's a recipe that could sure be great if it works, but if it doesn't you're going to get simply blown away in the playoffs.
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Post#908 » by ProcessDoctor » Sun Apr 3, 2022 4:42 pm

T_Brandon wrote:Nets this year:

With Harden 25-18
Without Harden 14-20

Sixers with Harden 15-8

Brooklyn without Harden after trade with KD & Irving
5-6

Hummmm....


ESPN is irate.
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Post#909 » by T_Brandon » Sun Apr 3, 2022 5:10 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:
T_Brandon wrote:Nets this year:

With Harden 25-18
Without Harden 14-20

Sixers with Harden 15-8

Brooklyn without Harden after trade with KD & Irving
5-6

Hummmm....


ESPN is irate.


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Post#910 » by elchengue20 » Sun Apr 3, 2022 5:24 pm

There is a reason Harden was a true superstar for years and Kyrie never was.

Kyrie is one of the most overrated players ever. If it wasnt for Lebron he would be closer to Jamal Crawford than being looked as an ATG.
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Post#911 » by mjkvol » Sun Apr 3, 2022 5:52 pm

elchengue20 wrote:There is a reason Harden was a true superstar for years and Kyrie never was.

Kyrie is one of the most overrated players ever. If it wasnt for Lebron he would be closer to Jamal Crawford than being looked as an ATG.


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Post#912 » by FireMorey » Sun Apr 3, 2022 6:50 pm

Kyrie and Durant are both losers. Kyrie plays when he wants to and Durant is the biggest coward in sports history. Never has there been a move more cowardly in sports than to join a 73 win team because you don't have the confidence in yourself to lead your own team to a title. Durant is not a true champion. There's a reason the Nets are still barely above .500 even with both of them back and playing. Giannis showed you how it's done. Stick with your team and earn it like a man.

Not saying Harden is some big winner either, but the fact that he gets flak for waiting like a decade to want out of Houston, but no one ever says half the negative stuff about Durant being way more pathetic and cowardly boggles the mind. And Kyrie pulled crap with the Cavs too because he didn't want to share the spotlight with Lebron.
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Post#913 » by stormi » Sun Apr 3, 2022 6:58 pm

T_Brandon wrote:Nets this year:

With Harden 25-18
Without Harden 14-20

Sixers with Harden 15-8

Brooklyn without Harden after trade with KD & Irving
5-6

Hummmm....


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Post#914 » by Ferry Avenue » Mon Apr 4, 2022 1:13 am

Best game of Harden's stint with the Sixers today in my opinion. 6 points in the final three minutes and clutch play, which is what this team desperately needs from someone other than Embiid.
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Post#915 » by Arsenal » Mon Apr 4, 2022 1:28 am

Ferry Avenue wrote:Best game of Harden's stint with the Sixers today in my opinion. 6 points in the final three minutes and clutch play, which is what this team desperately needs from someone other than Embiid.


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Post#916 » by mjkvol » Mon Apr 4, 2022 1:47 am

Arsenal wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:Best game of Harden's stint with the Sixers today in my opinion. 6 points in the final three minutes and clutch play, which is what this team desperately needs from someone other than Embiid.


Jimbo got dat DOG MENTALITY. Just admit it brah!


He's only at about 85% dog though on the Ferry scale. Got some work to do.
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Post#917 » by 76ciology » Mon Apr 4, 2022 2:09 am

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Post#918 » by 76ciology » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:33 am

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Embiid has to space the floor or Harden has to lob it to Embiid more often so the help defense will be more reluctant to send help defense
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Post#919 » by HardenGoat » Mon Apr 4, 2022 6:14 am

He’s averaging 10.2 assists. Ask the players and they will tell you he makes a difference at the team level that helps win games. The 8 rebound also helps. I hope he gets his legs back, we shall see.
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Post#920 » by M2J » Mon Apr 4, 2022 8:24 am

RoyceDa59 wrote:If Harden can become the 3rd scorer, main facilitator it starts to look really good for Philly.

Harris and Maxey are each capable of 20 ppg.

Philly with ball movement is a scary team.



It absolutely is. But it's also difficult to figure out the best mix.

Is Harden really done being a top scoring option. I don't believe he's as bad as he has been lately. I think he's transitioning. If he can strengthen that leg, it would be nice to see him finishing better at the rim. It will also be interesting to see if he can make the natural transition that all primary scoring options... turned second fiddle must do... catch and shoot at a higher clip. That's something he'll need to do regardless, and that can make him a special player even with the lost step.

I do think it could be ideal to have Maxey and Tobi play a larger role in carrying the offense, while Harden steps up in big spots with his advanced skillset. But, we have to KNOW what Harden is capable of. He's still doing special things in terms of getting to the line, playmaking.

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