Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4

[RexBoyWonder]

Standings

Bucks 2 GB
Celtics 3 GB
Sixers 3 GB

Remaining games

Celtics - Grizzlies
Bucks - Cavs
Sixers - Pistons

Celtics are about to Drop to 4, Sixers to 3.

Who even knows what's better for us at this point......

[DayofMourning]

Myles turner this summer

I'd actually go for Hartenstein. He's just scratching the surface. I was a fan of his in the draft. This year he was one of the better rim protectors in the league. I'm not sure how he ranks now, but at one point he was a top five rim protector. He's affordable too.

We can't trust his 3 point shot.

Whichever C we put next to Bam HAS TO be a proven, consistent, knock down 3 point shooter or else the entire offensive flow dies.

Turner isn't a great shooter but a proven decent one.

C. Wood has the offense but brings suspect Defense, J.Grant can defend but he's playing more like a SF then a PF.

With all the big contracts we have, I feel like we have to make economical decisions and find hidden gems we can develop. A guy like Hartenstein has quality physical gifts, a nice skillset, and the right contract. I think we can develop him into something good.

Turner would be fine, but hes always been kind of an injury risk. Availability is the best ability. He's also likely to have some suitors besides us. Could be pricey to obtain. I'm hesitant to go after a big with foot problems who costs $20 million.

I'd go after Hart and Jalen Smith in FA. I'd draft the BPA with our 1st rounder, and would get a 2nd rounder to invest in one of the big men projects.

[HeatingUp3]

Is Miles Turner a free agent this summer? Wood too?

[DayofMourning]

Is Miles Turner a free agent this summer? Wood too?

Neither are. The following summer.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Take 3 minutes and watch this. Best defender in the world.

This is sick and when you think about how Jokic made Bam look like a scrub this year, you really have to give Jokic the title of best in the world and another MVP.

Jokic is having one of the greatest years in recent memory. 27ppg, 14 rebounds, 8 assists, 58% shooting from the field, 33 PER (highest ever). In retrospect, Embiid is averaging 31ppg, 12 rebounds, 4 assists on 49% shooting and 31.5 PER. And then there's Giannis averaging 30, 12 and 6 on 55% shooting and 32 PER.

Honestly, any one of these guys winning it is okay with me. Numbers are almost identical at the face value and the team records are almost the same as well. I'd favor Jokic though - I think he has less of a supporting cast than both Embiid and Giannis.

Jokic wins statistically by a landslide when you throw in advanced statistics. Having a better season than last years MVP season, im fine with him or Embiid winning, I personally think it’s a 2 man race when you factor in what Embiid and Jokic have gone through this season. $30M plus sitting out for Embiid all season, 2nd and 3rd best player out for nuggets all year other than a few MPJ games.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I'd actually go for Hartenstein. He's just scratching the surface. I was a fan of his in the draft. This year he was one of the better rim protectors in the league. I'm not sure how he ranks now, but at one point he was a top five rim protector. He's affordable too.

We can't trust his 3 point shot.

Whichever C we put next to Bam HAS TO be a proven, consistent, knock down 3 point shooter or else the entire offensive flow dies.

Turner isn't a great shooter but a proven decent one.

C. Wood has the offense but brings suspect Defense, J.Grant can defend but he's playing more like a SF then a PF.

With all the big contracts we have, I feel like we have to make economical decisions and find hidden gems we can develop. A guy like Hartenstein has quality physical gifts, a nice skillset, and the right contract. I think we can develop him into something good.

Turner would be fine, but hes always been kind of an injury risk. Availability is the best ability. He's also likely to have some suitors besides us. Could be pricey to obtain. I'm hesitant to go after a big with foot problems who costs $20 million.

I'd go after Hart and Jalen Smith in FA. I'd draft the BPA with our 1st rounder, and would get a 2nd rounder to invest in one of the big men projects.

Idk if he’s available or his contract situation and all that but I love this O’Shea Brissett guy on indiana. He can flat out shoot and has been very very good with his increased role. I doubt they want to move him but we should see what it would take.

[puppa bear]

Myles turner this summer

I'd actually go for Hartenstein. He's just scratching the surface. I was a fan of his in the draft. This year he was one of the better rim protectors in the league. I'm not sure how he ranks now, but at one point he was a top five rim protector. He's affordable too.

We can't trust his 3 point shot.

Whichever C we put next to Bam HAS TO be a proven, consistent, knock down 3 point shooter or else the entire offensive flow dies.

Turner isn't a great shooter but a proven decent one.

C. Wood has the offense but brings suspect Defense, J.Grant can defend but he's playing more like a SF then a PF.

Who do you like for the role Rex? Any targets in mind?

[RexBoyWonder]

I'd actually go for Hartenstein. He's just scratching the surface. I was a fan of his in the draft. This year he was one of the better rim protectors in the league. I'm not sure how he ranks now, but at one point he was a top five rim protector. He's affordable too.

We can't trust his 3 point shot.

Whichever C we put next to Bam HAS TO be a proven, consistent, knock down 3 point shooter or else the entire offensive flow dies.

Turner isn't a great shooter but a proven decent one.

C. Wood has the offense but brings suspect Defense, J.Grant can defend but he's playing more like a SF then a PF.

With all the big contracts we have, I feel like we have to make economical decisions and find hidden gems we can develop. A guy like Hartenstein has quality physical gifts, a nice skillset, and the right contract. I think we can develop him into something good.

Turner would be fine, but hes always been kind of an injury risk. Availability is the best ability. He's also likely to have some suitors besides us. Could be pricey to obtain. I'm hesitant to go after a big with foot problems who costs $20 million.

I'd go after Hart and Jalen Smith in FA. I'd draft the BPA with our 1st rounder, and would get a 2nd rounder to invest in one of the big men projects.

Hart and J.Smith are as perfect as they come for us.

I'm afraid Hart played himself into having way too much value for Portland to be getable.

I'm with you about adding that young unproven gem of a C/PF, but there aren't many options out there.

who are we really willing to bet on?

[RexBoyWonder]

I'd actually go for Hartenstein. He's just scratching the surface. I was a fan of his in the draft. This year he was one of the better rim protectors in the league. I'm not sure how he ranks now, but at one point he was a top five rim protector. He's affordable too.

We can't trust his 3 point shot.

Whichever C we put next to Bam HAS TO be a proven, consistent, knock down 3 point shooter or else the entire offensive flow dies.

Turner isn't a great shooter but a proven decent one.

C. Wood has the offense but brings suspect Defense, J.Grant can defend but he's playing more like a SF then a PF.

Who do you like for the role Rex? Any targets in mind?

It's real tricky, we have 2 ways to go about it :

1) Offer Robinson + Sweeteners (Omer/Vincent/Max/Draft pick/s) and find a guy that fits next to Bam and is worth giving all that up.

That list consists of the regular names we've been thinking about :

John Collins
Myles Turner
C.Wood
Josh Heart
Jermey Grant
Harrison Barnes

2) Or we can Just offer the full or part of MLE to an unproven guy with upside or a declining guy and hope it works out. Guys like :

Mo Bamba
Jalen Smith
Bobby Portis
Isaiah Hartenstein
Chris Boucher
Robert Covington


I think this type of move is the clearest, easiest, most impactful way to upgrade the team without making huge changes.

[puppa bear]

We can't trust his 3 point shot.

Whichever C we put next to Bam HAS TO be a proven, consistent, knock down 3 point shooter or else the entire offensive flow dies.

Turner isn't a great shooter but a proven decent one.

C. Wood has the offense but brings suspect Defense, J.Grant can defend but he's playing more like a SF then a PF.

Who do you like for the role Rex? Any targets in mind?

It's real tricky, we have 2 ways to go about it :

1) Offer Robinson + Sweeteners (Omer/Vincent/Max/Draft pick/s) and find a guy that fits next to Bam and is worth giving all that up.

That list consists of the regular names we've been thinking about :

John Collins
Myles Turner
C.Wood
Josh Heart
Jermey Grant
Harrison Barnes

2) Or we can Just offer the full or part of MLE to an unproven guy with upside or a declining guy and hope it works out. Guys like :

Mo Bamba
Jalen Smith
Bobby Portis
Isaiah Hartenstein
Chris Boucher
Robert Covington


I think this type of move is the clearest, easiest, most impactful way to upgrade the team without making huge changes.

If we do a Robinson+ deal we might get our cap sheet a little more set, especially with Herro’s extension coming up. I like Barnes as an option, especially with Spo preferring to play a bigger SF as PF.

The second route might be the best towards building the best team, but then we add another non-min salary. Caleb, Max, Gabe are all going to be looking for raises & Yurt might very well be as well.

Clearing Duncan’s money for a more viable long term fit (considering Max’s breakout), and moving one of Gabe/Yurt reduces that future tax hit or depth loss. Gabe is likely the most replaceable, but due to thing also the least valuable in a trade.

[AirP.]

Final ORTG-DRTG for the 2021-2022 season.

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Player                      ORtg DRtg ORtg-DRtg
------                      ---- ---- ---------
Mychal Mulder\muldemy01     138  114         24
Jimmy Butler\butleji01      124  108         16
Bam Adebayo\adebaba01       117  104         13
Dewayne Dedmon\dedmode01    117  105         12
Nik Stauskas\stausni01      127  115         12
Caleb Martin\martica02      119  108         11
P.J. Tucker\tuckepj01       120  110         10
Chris Silva\silvach01       119  109         10
Omer Yurtseven\yurtsom01    112  104          8
Kyle Lowry\lowryky01        118  110          8
Max Strus\strusma01         116  112          4
KZ Okpala\okpalkz01         113  110          3
Victor Oladipo\oladivi01    113  111          2
Duncan Robinson\robindu01   113  112          1
Javonte Smart\smartja01     107  108         -1
Gabe Vincent\vincega01      107  111         -4
Tyler Herro\herroty01       107  111         -4 <- his ORTG-DRTG after the all-star break was +3.
Markieff Morris\morrima02   104  112         -8
Haywood Highsmith\highsha01 101  112        -11
Udonis Haslem\hasleud01     96   108        -12
Kyle Guy\guyky01            99   111        -12
Marcus Garrett\garrema01    89   108        -19

Last year's ORTG-DRTG

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Player                     ORtg DRtg ORtg-DRtg
------                     ---- ---- ---------
Udonis Haslem\hasleud01    200  111         89
Dewayne Dedmon\dedmode01   135  105         30
Jimmy Butler\butleji01     127  108         19
Bam Adebayo\adebaba01      122  108         14
Chris Silva\silvach01      117  108          9
Nemanja Bjelica\bjeline01  116  110          6
Trevor Ariza\arizatr01     111  111          0
Max Strus\strusma01        115  115          0
Duncan Robinson\robindu01  113  114         -1
Precious Achiuwa\achiupr01 107  109         -2
Kendrick Nunn\nunnke01     111  113         -2
Kelly Olynyk\olynyke01     106  109         -3
Avery Bradley\bradlav01    110  114         -4
Andre Iguodala\iguodan01   103  110         -7
Tyler Herro\herroty01      104  113         -9
Maurice Harkless\harklma01 105  114         -9
Goran Dragić\dragigo01     104  114        -10
Meyers Leonard\leoname01   101  113        -12
Gabe Vincent\vincega01     98   114        -16
KZ Okpala\okpalkz01        94   113        -19
Victor Oladipo\oladivi01   86   109        -23

Key Players differences from 2020-2021 and 2021-2022.
Butler -3 (+19, +16)
Bam -1 (+14, +13)
Robinson +2 (-1, +1)
Herro +5 (-9, -4)
Lowry +6 (+2, +8)
Tucker +5 (+5, +10) <- Just using his Mil stats since he wasn't really utilized in Houston.
Dedmon -18 (+30, +12) <- Still doing well.
Vincent +12 (-16, -4)
Strus +4 (0, +4)

What these numbers say are the same thing they said last 2 regular seasons, Spoelstra/Miami gets more out of players which is why as a FO I would look for higher level talent that has disappointed for other franchises, a big reason I really wanted Bagley III(even more since he was disgruntled in Sacramento). If I were another franchise I'd really worry about how good a player really is that you're getting from Miami.

Bagley, just this year being moved from Sac to Det... his per36 to see his on court differences.
Sac - 15.3 pts, 11.8 reb, .9 ast, .521 TS%, -5 (ORTG-DRTG)
Det - 19.2 pts, 9.0 pts, 1.4 ast, .585 TS%, +1 (ORTG-DRTG)
Still a bad 3pt shooter after shooting 34% last season on 2.5 attempts per game.

Let's look at a Precious as a player last year in Miami and this year in Toronto...
Mia - 14.8 pts, 10.2 reb, 1.4 ast, 1.4 blk, .550 TS%, -2 (ORTG-DRTG) 0 3pt%
Tor - 13.9 pts, 9.9 reb, 1.7 ast, .9 blk, .503 TS%, -5 (ORTG-DRTG) .359 3pt%

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We can't trust his 3 point shot.

Whichever C we put next to Bam HAS TO be a proven, consistent, knock down 3 point shooter or else the entire offensive flow dies.

Turner isn't a great shooter but a proven decent one.

C. Wood has the offense but brings suspect Defense, J.Grant can defend but he's playing more like a SF then a PF.

Who do you like for the role Rex? Any targets in mind?

It's real tricky, we have 2 ways to go about it :

1) Offer Robinson + Sweeteners (Omer/Vincent/Max/Draft pick/s) and find a guy that fits next to Bam and is worth giving all that up.

That list consists of the regular names we've been thinking about :

John Collins
Myles Turner
C.Wood
Josh Heart
Jermey Grant
Harrison Barnes

2) Or we can Just offer the full or part of MLE to an unproven guy with upside or a declining guy and hope it works out. Guys like :

Mo Bamba
Jalen Smith
Bobby Portis
Isaiah Hartenstein
Chris Boucher
Robert Covington


I think this type of move is the clearest, easiest, most impactful way to upgrade the team without making huge changes.

I’d love Turner or Bamba for shot blocking reasons and both can stretch the floor.

Obviously anyone on the top list would be welcomed, especially in a deal for Duncan.

I’d love Portis too. We may actually be able to snag him from the Bucks if we offer him a starting spot. I think he’d become a fan favorite honestly.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I saw that were the best team in the league at rim protection, can anyone confirm this?

[AirP.]

I think this type of move is the clearest, easiest, most impactful way to upgrade the team without making huge changes.

Riley's 77, unless this team looks like it's a tweak away be ready for a big move this summer.

[twix2500]

My two cents. The season finally tells me this. Oladipo may or may not be playoff tempo ready but that game show the he is progressive very well. And the Heat should start making plans for the future as Oladipo becoming the starting point guard. And that may very well mean moving Lowry by the trade deadline or 2023 summer

Building this team to more of a pick n roll heavy offense thats fits Dipo and Herro. Less of a halfcourt team and more of an uptempo team.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

My two cents. The season finally tells me this. Oladipo may or may not be playoff tempo ready but that game show the he is progressive very well. And the Heat should start making plans for the future as Oladipo becoming the starting point guard. And that may very well mean moving Lowry by the trade deadline or 2023 summer

Building this team to more of a pick n roll heavy offense thats fits Dipo and Herro. Less of a halfcourt team and more of an uptempo team.

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Interesting, Lowry also likes to push the pace though and I’m not sure you can put that much faith in Dipo to stay healthy. Unless of course they view Herro as the plug in case of emergency there. If feel like if Lowry is moved it would be paired with Herro for a star though. Who knows?

[greg4012]

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Pretty awesome what the Heat have done this season so far

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[IceColdCubano]

My two cents. The season finally tells me this. Oladipo may or may not be playoff tempo ready but that game show the he is progressive very well. And the Heat should start making plans for the future as Oladipo becoming the starting point guard. And that may very well mean moving Lowry by the trade deadline or 2023 summer

Building this team to more of a pick n roll heavy offense thats fits Dipo and Herro. Less of a halfcourt team and more of an uptempo team.

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Interesting, Lowry also likes to push the pace though and I’m not sure you can put that much faith in Dipo to stay healthy. Unless of course they view Herro as the plug in case of emergency there. If feel like if Lowry is moved it would be paired with Herro for a star though. Who knows?

I would look into signing Dipo for 2-3 Years kinda want his contract to match the end date of Lowry's. with the 3rd been a team option. Herro is going to be starting next year, we know that is coming from a mile away, so now you need to get that 6th man which is Dipo for sure. You get one more year out of Lowry's deal as your PG and see if he can maintain production similar to this years, specially depending on how he does these playoffs. And then in Lowry's third year you move him to a team looking for a vet presence and make Dipo your starting PG if he is healthy and producing at a high rate. Youll have then Dipo, Herro, Jimmy, (Placeholder for PF we get in a trade from Duncan) Bam as your starting lineup. Jimmy by then is also taking a step back and letting the boys have the rains.