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Re: When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season 

Post#1021 » by RookieStar » Tue Apr 12, 2022 5:02 am

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RookieStar wrote:Btw.. to us non-americans.. why do you pull someone down if he is this Qanon something. I mean what is that?

Secondly, what is worse, flat-earther Kyrie or conspiracy theorists?


Just google it and let your brain answer those questions for you.


I did google it and all i got from it are that they are the same level as anti-vaxxers, flat-earthers, flying-spaghetti worshipers, ZuCkerberg is an alien, Jewish lizard overlords, etc etc.

No harm no foul do what you want as long as it doesnt hurt others...

So whats so bad about it? You really would turn away the sage-spreading Kyrie if he wants to play here?
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Post#1022 » by RookieStar » Tue Apr 12, 2022 5:06 am

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RookieStar wrote:Btw.. to us non-americans.. why do you pull someone down if he is this Qanon something. I mean what is that?

Secondly, what is worse, flat-earther Kyrie or conspiracy theorists?

I personally don't care as long as he can play at an elite level... but... I do worry about how the young guys take to his crazy. I dismissed his choice on the vaccine but hanging out with the Qanon crowd... that's hard to just ignore. Teammates don't have to be friends but weird distractions aren't needed either. Then to top it all off, he hasn't played in nearly 2 years... is he worth the crazy?


It depends on his craziness or whatever. Is he like Dwight campaigning for the NBA logo to have a cross? ( this was obviously before he found the wonders of sex )?

Is he preaching and trying to convert outside work like Mormons do?

I mean Im Catholic but I get along woth atheist, muslims, orthodox, buddhist, etc at work andoutside because s we dont push our beliefs on each other.
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Re: When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season 

Post#1023 » by Xatticus » Tue Apr 12, 2022 5:14 am

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RookieStar wrote:Btw.. to us non-americans.. why do you pull someone down if he is this Qanon something. I mean what is that?

Secondly, what is worse, flat-earther Kyrie or conspiracy theorists?


Just google it and let your brain answer those questions for you.


I did google it and all i got from it are that they are the same level as anti-vaxxers, flat-earthers, flying-spaghetti worshipers, ZuCkerberg is an alien, Jewish lizard overlords, etc etc.

No harm no foul do what you want as long as it doesnt hurt others...

So whats so bad about it? You really would turn away the sage-spreading Kyrie if he wants to play here?


Sure. What's wrong with accusing everyone you dislike of being a member of a cabal of child-molesting cannibals?

No. I wouldn't take Kyrie. I'm not giving a max contact to a guy that I'm fairly certain doesn't really want to play basketball anywhere. I know he wants the money and fame. He has never actually demonstrated a desire to play basketball. He forced his way out of Cleveland. He tried to shut the NBA down because he couldn't play. He won't play because he won't get vaxxed. He sabotaged his own team in Boston and then walked. Fool me seven times... shame on me.
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Re: When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season 

Post#1024 » by pepe1991 » Tue Apr 12, 2022 5:31 am

So, Isaac is basically basketball David Icke ? lol

I don't know, from what i saw on google it seems like it's faaar right wing crowd and much like with faaar left crowd, it's group of people that are just attention wh***s.
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Post#1025 » by RookieStar » Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:59 am

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Xatticus wrote:
Just google it and let your brain answer those questions for you.


I did google it and all i got from it are that they are the same level as anti-vaxxers, flat-earthers, flying-spaghetti worshipers, ZuCkerberg is an alien, Jewish lizard overlords, etc etc.

No harm no foul do what you want as long as it doesnt hurt others...

So whats so bad about it? You really would turn away the sage-spreading Kyrie if he wants to play here?


Sure. What's wrong with accusing everyone you dislike of being a member of a cabal of child-molesting cannibals?

No. I wouldn't take Kyrie. I'm not giving a max contact to a guy that I'm fairly certain doesn't really want to play basketball anywhere. I know he wants the money and fame. He has never actually demonstrated a desire to play basketball. He forced his way out of Cleveland. He tried to shut the NBA down because he couldn't play. He won't play because he won't get vaxxed. He sabotaged his own team in Boston and then walked. Fool me seven times... shame on me.


They do? Thats different. Like I said, i dont push my beliefs on others and i expect others to do the same. So you telling me JI is a member of that? Thats differentnof he is a card carrying member of agroup.

As for Kyrie... well talent is there... and we need a "name" so i wouldnt mind...i think.
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Re: When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season 

Post#1026 » by Xatticus » Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:26 am

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RookieStar wrote:
I did google it and all i got from it are that they are the same level as anti-vaxxers, flat-earthers, flying-spaghetti worshipers, ZuCkerberg is an alien, Jewish lizard overlords, etc etc.

No harm no foul do what you want as long as it doesnt hurt others...

So whats so bad about it? You really would turn away the sage-spreading Kyrie if he wants to play here?


Sure. What's wrong with accusing everyone you dislike of being a member of a cabal of child-molesting cannibals?

No. I wouldn't take Kyrie. I'm not giving a max contact to a guy that I'm fairly certain doesn't really want to play basketball anywhere. I know he wants the money and fame. He has never actually demonstrated a desire to play basketball. He forced his way out of Cleveland. He tried to shut the NBA down because he couldn't play. He won't play because he won't get vaxxed. He sabotaged his own team in Boston and then walked. Fool me seven times... shame on me.


They do? Thats different. Like I said, i dont push my beliefs on others and i expect others to do the same. So you telling me JI is a member of that? Thats differentnof he is a card carrying member of agroup.

As for Kyrie... well talent is there... and we need a "name" so i wouldnt mind...i think.


I didn't say JI is a member of that. You asked about QAnon. That's QAnon. It's not just a conspiracy. It's a bat-shit-crazy conspiracy started by some nut on a forum full of nuts.

This is a new and significant step for JI. This is a step beyond having a book published by Ben Shapiro. This is a step beyond speaking at conservative or Christian conventions.

I'm not apolitical, but I'm not invested in either of the prevailing parties in our political system. I figured out a long time ago that they are patron/client systems and that neither party reflects anything resembling my own political views, so I can't pretend to know much about these conservative events. I do know that the names listed as speakers at this event that Isaac is going to speak at are not mainstream conservatives. This is not a good look.

If Isaac isn't already on your team, then you probably wouldn't want to introduce him into your locker room at this point. It's just too risky. If he is on your team, then you are probably hoping that he doesn't say something stupid and that this whole thing just kind of fades into the background as time passes. That's looking less and less likely at this point though.

If I were running the Magic, I would exercise the exhibit 3 clause in his deal if possible. You can sell it as a business decision reflecting Isaac's lack of availability and the need to mitigate some of your long-term roster uncertainty. You can lament having to do so, but still argue that it was always within the realm of possibility given it's inclusion at the time of signing. The actual reason for me to do so, however, would be to get out of some guaranteed money while the opportunity is there in case something goes very wrong. There is a lot of money and a lot of years still left on that deal.
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Post#1027 » by RookieStar » Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:43 am

Well thats your definition of Qanan which is kinda different than in google. Who knows.. dont really wanna know more about that stuff.

But if JI isnt converting anyone or doing weird ish then I dont care if he goes to any legal gatherings. And yeah, his talent is worth the gamble.
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Post#1028 » by LDNMagic90 » Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:50 am

Is Isaac the most controversial player to have played for the Magic? Soley basing this on his 'political' views
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Post#1029 » by RichCollab » Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:00 am

LDNMagic90 wrote:Is Isaac the most controversial player to have played for the Magic? Soley basing this on his 'political' views


I actually think Issac is more a minister than political. Issac shares some views with the religious right.
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Post#1030 » by Magic_Kingdom » Tue Apr 12, 2022 11:33 am

Political conspiracy theories spread by groups like Qanon are used to promote political agendas and disrupt establishment. (see articles detailing connections between Qanon and the Capitol riot on January 6, 2021). The link between Qanon and anti-vaxxers and flat-earthers is the target audience. Scientific studies have shown that people with certain personality traits and cognitive styles are more likely to believe conspiracy theories. So organizations with bad intentions can use the wonders of the Internet and social media to target certain people to spread dangerous theories, like the Qanon core belief that all Democrats are members of a cabal of pedophiles. They use platforms like Facebook, for example, where you can fairly easily discovery which users believe the moon landing was faked, or the earth is flat, etc. Those people are prime targets on whom to push more dangerous conspiracy theories that promote social disruption and political upheaval. That is one reason why the anti-vax movement was heavily fueled on Facebook and Twitter by bots. It was data-mining gold for organizations who had no interest in public health. So it's no coincidence that anti-vaxxer Isaac is on the stage with people who have advocated overturning democratic elections and initiating a military coup. He may not be cognizant of those connections, in which case he is playing the role of the useful idiot.
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Post#1031 » by tiderulz » Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:18 pm

RookieStar wrote:Well thats your definition of Qanan which is kinda different than in google. Who knows.. dont really wanna know more about that stuff.

But if JI isnt converting anyone or doing weird ish then I dont care if he goes to any legal gatherings. And yeah, his talent is worth the gamble.

then you arent googling the right sites. one of the main beliefs of Qanon from the beginning was the child molesting/blood drinking cabal. that the orange guy would arrest and execute all these people. that it included hollywood, politicians, business owners.

whackadoodle doesnt begin to describe it.
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Post#1032 » by Skybox » Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:27 pm

tiderulz wrote:
RookieStar wrote:Well thats your definition of Qanan which is kinda different than in google. Who knows.. dont really wanna know more about that stuff.

But if JI isnt converting anyone or doing weird ish then I dont care if he goes to any legal gatherings. And yeah, his talent is worth the gamble.

then you arent googling the right sites. one of the main beliefs of Qanon from the beginning was the child molesting/blood drinking cabal. that the orange guy would arrest and execute all these people. that it included hollywood, politicians, business owners.

whackadoodle doesnt begin to describe it.


We've always had whackadoodles...the scary development is that some of our "normal"neighbors are buying in on a large scale. Frightening revelation...that this group has become more than an amusing story. Isaac is "useful idiot"...most of the hacks speaking get rich from selling this BS to the weak and stupid (who are always looking for someone else to point at), they're all probably like "what the hell is HE doing here?"
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Post#1033 » by Ducklett » Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:31 pm

This board has all the political nuance of a hamster.
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Post#1034 » by swarlesbarkley » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:50 pm

Ducklett wrote:This board has all the political nuance of a hamster.


Enlighten us, Mr. Not-a-hamster!
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Post#1035 » by Ducklett » Tue Apr 12, 2022 3:04 pm

swarlesbarkley wrote:
Ducklett wrote:This board has all the political nuance of a hamster.


Enlighten us, Mr. Not-a-hamster!


Who said I should be the one to enlighten you. If you want lessons on judging nerdy card game events, trolling pepe, advertising, or building/repairing PCs, I am willing and able to enlighten you on those things.

You know how people when they step away from something and return they are good enough to know when they and others are bad, but aren't good enough anymore to be great? Yeah that's me. You wanna travel back in time to talk to young Ducklett while he was polysci and aspiring into law school, he could help you out.
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Post#1036 » by Magic_Kingdom » Tue Apr 12, 2022 3:25 pm

Skybox wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
RookieStar wrote:Well thats your definition of Qanan which is kinda different than in google. Who knows.. dont really wanna know more about that stuff.

But if JI isnt converting anyone or doing weird ish then I dont care if he goes to any legal gatherings. And yeah, his talent is worth the gamble.

then you arent googling the right sites. one of the main beliefs of Qanon from the beginning was the child molesting/blood drinking cabal. that the orange guy would arrest and execute all these people. that it included hollywood, politicians, business owners.

whackadoodle doesnt begin to describe it.


We've always had whackadoodles...the scary development is that some of our "normal"neighbors are buying in on a large scale. Frightening revelation...that this group has become more than an amusing story. Isaac is "useful idiot"...most of the hacks speaking get rich from selling this BS to the weak and stupid (who are always looking for someone else to point at), they're all probably like "what the hell is HE doing here?"

What he is doing there is lending apparent legitimacy to the lunatic fringe. Here is this upstanding, Christian, squeaky clean NBA player sharing the stage with a former general who recently advocated a military coup in the United States, and the MyPillow CEO who advocated the imposition of martial law.

You said it yourself, he is likely the "useful idiot". He allows the far right wing to claim they are more mainstream than people think. And like I said in a previous post, anti-vaxxers and anti-kneelers who follow Isaac are prime candidates for targeted information campaigns because they are more likely to believe dark forces (in government, civil rights movements, academia, medicine) are out to get them.
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Post#1037 » by Knightro » Tue Apr 12, 2022 3:51 pm

Jeff Weltman confirmed today on "Open Mike" that the hamstring injury suffered by Jonathan Isaac that required surgery was on his opposite leg from his ACL injury.
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Post#1038 » by Def Swami » Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:26 pm

Knightro wrote:Jeff Weltman confirmed today on "Open Mike" that the hamstring injury suffered by Jonathan Isaac that required surgery was on his opposite leg from his ACL injury.

Probably injured while overcompensating with his left leg while recovering from an injury on his right.
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Post#1039 » by Ducklett » Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:36 pm

Def Swami wrote:
Knightro wrote:Jeff Weltman confirmed today on "Open Mike" that the hamstring injury suffered by Jonathan Isaac that required surgery was on his opposite leg from his ACL injury.

Probably injured while overcompensating with his left leg while recovering from an injury on his right.


I have been caring for my dad who blew his Achilles and his healthy leg kills him just from using it to balance and what not to keep his booted leg protected. I can't imagine my dad if he was doing heavy pro level athlete exercise.
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Post#1040 » by basketballRob » Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:01 pm

thelead wrote:
RookieStar wrote:Btw.. to us non-americans.. why do you pull someone down if he is this Qanon something. I mean what is that?

Secondly, what is worse, flat-earther Kyrie or conspiracy theorists?

I personally don't care as long as he can play at an elite level... but... I do worry about how the young guys take to his crazy. I dismissed his choice on the vaccine but hanging out with the Qanon crowd... that's hard to just ignore. Teammates don't have to be friends but weird distractions aren't needed either. Then to top it all off, he hasn't played in nearly 2 years... is he worth the crazy?
Have you ever heard Isaac say something crazy? If you're in a room with someone it doesn't mean you share all their views.

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