The Official Ben 10 Simmons Thread

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...Unless he is given the Blake treatment for not being a Nash guy.

If Nash keeps catching Ben sharing laughs with Blake like in that Twitter video, then his PT/rotation spot could be in danger.

[Rastas]

...Unless he is given the Blake treatment for not being a Nash guy.

If Nash keeps catching Ben sharing laughs with Blake like in that Twitter video, then his PT/rotation spot could be in danger.

Exactly!

[Claud]

Ben is exactly what we need.

Our defense needs a perimeter lockdown defender + he can push the pace a la Bruce Brown.

I think Ben needs to take the shots the defense gives him. None of that scared bull.

IDC if he shoots under 20%, but I need him to stay aggressive and keep shooting until he becomes comfortable.

Not expecting him to be a 40% 3pt shooter, but if he can be around 30% it would make a world of difference.

[TheNetsFan]

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After the video came out on Nets twitter, I called about 2 weeks until he returns. Woj and Shams confirm.

[Gooner]

Ben is exactly what we need.

Our defense needs a perimeter lockdown defender + he can push the pace a la Bruce Brown.

I think Ben needs to take the shots the defense gives him. None of that scared bull.

IDC if he shoots under 20%, but I need him to stay aggressive and keep shooting until he becomes comfortable.

Not expecting him to be a 40% 3pt shooter, but if he can be around 30% it would make a world of difference.

He shouldn't take any 3's, just take some mid range shots to keep defense honest.

[TheNetsFan]

Ben is exactly what we need.

Our defense needs a perimeter lockdown defender + he can push the pace a la Bruce Brown.

I think Ben needs to take the shots the defense gives him. None of that scared bull.

IDC if he shoots under 20%, but I need him to stay aggressive and keep shooting until he becomes comfortable.

Not expecting him to be a 40% 3pt shooter, but if he can be around 30% it would make a world of difference.

He shouldn't take any 3's, just take some mid range shots to keep defense honest.

I disagree. He needs to take the Bruce Brown very wide open 3s.

[cam24thomas]

I wonder what his 3pt% is if you subtract his halfcourt heaves.... I think its pretty high, because nearly all his threes were from halfcourt in his first couple of years (and he attempted 17 threes in his first 2 years).
And then in his 3rd year he was 2 of 7.
In his 4th year he was 3 of 10, and at least a couple of those were heaves on buzzers too.

[MrDollarBills]

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[Gooner]

Ben is exactly what we need.

Our defense needs a perimeter lockdown defender + he can push the pace a la Bruce Brown.

I think Ben needs to take the shots the defense gives him. None of that scared bull.

IDC if he shoots under 20%, but I need him to stay aggressive and keep shooting until he becomes comfortable.

Not expecting him to be a 40% 3pt shooter, but if he can be around 30% it would make a world of difference.

He shouldn't take any 3's, just take some mid range shots to keep defense honest.

I disagree. He needs to take the Bruce Brown very wide open 3s.

Bruce Brown is a better shooter and he is definitely more confident. He laso shoots a corner 3, Simmons is not gonna have that as a point guard. It would be detrimental for his shaky confidence to force him to shoot 3's, that's too much out of his comfort zone. But any NBA perimeter player has to be able to take and occasionally make an open mid range shot. Opponents will definitely dare him and if he refuses to shoot at all, it will be a huge problem. Simmons is a huge question mark and this Nets move is the last chance to save his career.

[JakeM]

He shouldn't take any 3's, just take some mid range shots to keep defense honest.

I disagree. He needs to take the Bruce Brown very wide open 3s.

Bruce Brown is a better shooter and he is definitely more confident. He laso shoots a corner 3, Simmons is not gonna have that as a point guard. It would be detrimental for his shaky confidence to force him to shoot 3's, that's too much out of his comfort zone. But any NBA perimeter player has to be able to take and occasionally make an open mid range shot. Opponents will definitely dare him and if he refuses to shoot at all, it will be a huge problem. Simmons is a huge question mark and this Nets move is the last chance to save his career.

Simmons isn't shooting 3's or mid range. All the stuff people are saying is what 76ers fans have been saying for years and he didn't do it in Philly with only 1 elite shooter, he definitely isn't going to be taking shots at the Nets with 3 elite shooters on the court with him.

I also don't think him refusing to take open shots is going to be anywhere near the problem it was at Philly either. It was at Philly because they played a slow half court offense around Embiid with the only other plays run being dribble handoffs to Redick/Curry. Defenses collapsed in the paint because it clogged up the paint for Embiid and they weren't scared of Harris, Thybulle and Simmons taking jumpers.

Defenses aren't going to leave Durant, Irving and Curry open at the 3 point line whilst the clog the paint to stop Simmons driving... unless they are insane. The problem at Philly is they didn't have the shooters around Ben and they had a coach that was completely and utterly clueless when it came to running plays.

[cam24thomas]

And in 2019 when Philadelphia had an elite scoring wing in Jimmy Butler, they came within a close Game 7 of eliminating the eventual World Champion Raptors, losing to Kawhi's flukey buzzer-beater.

And Simmons had a pretty good Game 6 and 7 in that series, after Toronto led 3-2:
Simmons Game 6 = 21 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, 0 turnovers
Simmons Game 7 = 13 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 blocks

And Embiid only shot .370 from the field, for 17.6 points, 8.7 rebounds in that Toronto series....

[MrDollarBills]

The problem at Philly is they didn't have the shooters around Ben and they had a coach that was completely and utterly clueless when it came to running plays.

Well, we have shooters but the coaching here is even worse

[Stone]

We are most likely going to go through a lot of trial and error with Ben. This may even go as far as Ben sort of reinventing his game. Something went wrong somewhere along the line and it may be time to hit the reset button. With his back situation, it would not be fair to ask to much from him if anything for the playoffs. We may not see not see Ben fully 100% until after the next all-star break.

[kio80]

The problem at Philly is they didn't have the shooters around Ben and they had a coach that was completely and utterly clueless when it came to running plays.

Well, we have shooters but the coaching here is even worse

They are probably on the same level, hard to say who’s worse


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[JakeM]

The problem at Philly is they didn't have the shooters around Ben and they had a coach that was completely and utterly clueless when it came to running plays.

Well, we have shooters but the coaching here is even worse

yeah they probably take out the Quinella.

I think this series against Miami is the closest that Simmons has come to playing in a team that was suited to him and plays most like the Nets do now.

It's because they had 3 excellent/elite shooters and Embiid missed half of this series so they were forced to play more up tempo with lots of cutting and switches which suits Simmons more and also opened up the lane for him. Didn't have to shoot much just had to be a playmaker. The only way Nash could stuff it up is if he starts telling him to suddenly start shooting, and I am not sure even Nash could stuff this up.

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[Prokorov]

Ben is exactly what we need.

Our defense needs a perimeter lockdown defender + he can push the pace a la Bruce Brown.

I think Ben needs to take the shots the defense gives him. None of that scared bull.

IDC if he shoots under 20%, but I need him to stay aggressive and keep shooting until he becomes comfortable.

Not expecting him to be a 40% 3pt shooter, but if he can be around 30% it would make a world of difference.

He shouldn't take any 3's, just take some mid range shots to keep defense honest.

I disagree. He needs to take the Bruce Brown very wide open 3s.

If he is standing behind the 3point line without the ball we have already failed.

Simmons needs to be on-ball as the point forward or in the dunker spot. he should never be in the corner. he is the guy we should be trying to create space for. he is the guy who needs space.

KD/Kyrie dont need space, they seek long jumpers

[Prokorov]

The problem at Philly is they didn't have the shooters around Ben and they had a coach that was completely and utterly clueless when it came to running plays.

Well, we have shooters but the coaching here is even worse

They are probably on the same level, hard to say who’s worse


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its not hard. nash is 10-12 times worse

[MGrand15]

I'm not worried about Ben's fit in the offense at all. He's getting a clinic on where he fits just by watching Bruce Brown. DHOs with Kyrie + Seth. PNRs with KD. Flashes to the middle when our guys get trapped. Push it like crazy in transition and find shooters. His life will be easy whether he decides to take jumpers or not.

His problem in Philly was that they actually needed him to do more. When they lost Jimmy, they actually needed him to step up and be a primarily ball handler. They needed him to step up and take jump shots. Philly topped out as 8th in offense in the Simmons era. Last year we were the best offense of all time. This year with Kyrie + KD on the floor, our offense is ridiculous with an OFFRTG of 122+. That would be the best offense in the league by a WIDE WIDE margin. Totally different situations.

[Prokorov]

I'm not worried about Ben's fit in the offense at all. He's getting a clinic on where he fits just by watching Bruce Brown. DHOs with Kyrie + Seth. PNRs with KD. Flashes to the middle when our guys get trapped. Push it like crazy in transition and find shooters. His life will be easy whether he decides to take jumpers or not.

His problem in Philly was that they actually needed him to do more. When they lost Jimmy, they actually needed him to step up and be a primarily ball handler. They needed him to step up and take jump shots. Philly topped out as 8th in offense in the Simmons era. Last year we were the best offense of all time. This year with Kyrie + KD on the floor, our offense is ridiculous with an OFFRTG of 122+. That would be the best offense in the league by a WIDE WIDE margin. Totally different situations.

He is a seamless fit. Simmons floor is like the best version of bruce brown on steroids... like a 6'10" brown with Rondos passing and the leagues best wing defense

He can play point guard to minimize his shooting. be inthe dunker spot when KD/Kyrie have the ball. as you said we have all the shooting around him needed.

He is getting criminally slandered as some offensive zero. he has Lebron level passing/playmaking ability and is a mismatch nightmare vs bigs and smalls. you need to defend him with a big/athletic wing, and that guy is usually already guarding KD.

This a guy who despite bad distance shooting is 56% for his career with 59% TS% for his career. so despite his lack of shooting and poor FT shooting he still scores pretty efficiently. And is heavily positive offensive metrics year over year and career.

issues come when he is asked to be a go-to scorer or play too much off ball. Nets can have Kyrie/KD handle the ball in late game fouling situaitons so Ben doesnt go to the FT line and space him with shooters.

there isnt a better fit for ben then here

[MrDollarBills]

I'm not worried about Ben's fit in the offense at all. He's getting a clinic on where he fits just by watching Bruce Brown. DHOs with Kyrie + Seth. PNRs with KD. Flashes to the middle when our guys get trapped. Push it like crazy in transition and find shooters. His life will be easy whether he decides to take jumpers or not.

His problem in Philly was that they actually needed him to do more. When they lost Jimmy, they actually needed him to step up and be a primarily ball handler. They needed him to step up and take jump shots. Philly topped out as 8th in offense in the Simmons era. Last year we were the best offense of all time. This year with Kyrie + KD on the floor, our offense is ridiculous with an OFFRTG of 122+. That would be the best offense in the league by a WIDE WIDE margin. Totally different situations.

He is a seamless fit. Simmons floor is like the best version of bruce brown on steroids... like a 6'10" brown with Rondos passing and the leagues best wing defense

He can play point guard to minimize his shooting. be inthe dunker spot when KD/Kyrie have the ball. as you said we have all the shooting around him needed.

He is getting criminally slandered as some offensive zero. he has Lebron level passing/playmaking ability and is a mismatch nightmare vs bigs and smalls. you need to defend him with a big/athletic wing, and that guy is usually already guarding KD.

This a guy who despite bad distance shooting is 56% for his career with 59% TS% for his career. so despite his lack of shooting and poor FT shooting he still scores pretty efficiently. And is heavily positive offensive metrics year over year and career.

issues come when he is asked to be a go-to scorer or play too much off ball. Nets can have Kyrie/KD handle the ball in late game fouling situaitons so Ben doesnt go to the FT line and space him with shooters.

there isnt a better fit for ben then here

Exactly. All Ben has to do is play his game and he'll be fine. How anyone can watch how Bruce Brown is playing and think that Ben, who has All star level talent, can't find his niche here is beyond me. a Kyrie/Seth/KD/Simmons/Claxton line up would punish opposing defenses in multiple facets of the game.