B-b-b-but Heat don't have a superstar!

SerialChiller · Post #21 » by **SerialChiller** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:03 am

KembaWalker wrote:The problem is he's just as likely to shoot 1/12 from 3 as he is to have a game like this

Pfff....Jimmy would never attempt that many 3s in a game if he didn't have it going.

MrBigShot · Post #22 » by **MrBigShot** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:07 am

He's not a superstar. But he's still a great player and can sometimes play like one.

CIN-C-STAR · Post #23 » by **CIN-C-STAR** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:08 am

Michael Jackson wrote:
metalinguss wrote:
DroseReturnChi wrote:
he is an impact top 10 player like dray. it doesnt show on boxscore so people think he is a scrub.
but i will take him over tatum and pg.

Whut. Tatum is already better and is 8 years younger.

Tatum is way more talented there is no doubt. Huge Tatum fan and he is getting more consistent everyday. Jimmy is no where that talented but Butler has had the heart... that being said Tatum is developing it and he is player along with Ja that I love. I think they are part of the next fun chapter of the NBA. Loving these Celts right now.

You guys are missing the joke. Read it again.
He's actually saying he'd take Bam over Tatum :lol:

Pachinko_ · Post #24 » by **Pachinko_** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:12 am

There was some comedic value in Atlanta's defence, I'll give them that
I suspect in the next rounds the defences will not be so funny.

DroseReturnChi · Post #25 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:19 am

GeorgeMarcus wrote:
Kingdibs19 wrote:Lol @ all the fans that took useless lifer Haslem’s side over the Heat’s Star player. Unreal.

Butler is a star and I've defended his game/persona throughout his career. But that incident was a clear error in judgement on his part. Haslem was in the right and Jimmy himself probably realized that once tempers cooled

jimmys problem is he needs a team that can match his energy. all the loser teams failed him he is like MJ's forbidden son.
only miami can tame him which is why i root for miami. i would gift jimmy to punch someone just like MJ did it to kerr to make him grow up.

you might call me crazy but jimmy is the only guy i can root for in this league that has old mans game. rest of guys are tissue soft i dont even want to bother watching. if you want to win a title you need jimmys perfectionist attitude otherwise ur just playing for money,fame.

AussieCeltic · Post #26 » by **AussieCeltic** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:28 am

19/64 from the field (29.7%)
+\- of -86 over 4 games (negative 21.5 per game)
-.09 OBPM, -.04 DBPM, -1.4BPM, 0 VORP
-.2 Win Shares

Jimmy “superstar” Butlers stats last season against the Bucks while getting swept. Probably the worst performance in a playoff series I’ve ever seen.

Pachinko_ · Post #27 » by **Pachinko_** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:53 am

Forget this game for a minute. The Heat is the #1 seed in the East, and the way they got there is with Jimmy taking 14.5 shots a game. I think that's when Heat are at their best. Tonight Jimmy saw a bad defence in front of him and he put some fools in the basket, which is great and that's what he should've done, but when things get tight again I think the Heat should go back to sharing the ball more, like they did all year. Because if their game plan becomes "lets see if JB can get 40 again", it's just not gonna work. He's not that type of player.

Hangtime84 · Post #28 » by **Hangtime84** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:01 am

Pachinko_ wrote:Forget this game for a minute. The Heat is the #1 seed in the East, and the way they got there is with Jimmy taking 14.5 shots a game. I think that's when Heat are at their best. Tonight Jimmy saw a bad defence in front of him and he put some fools in the basket, which is great and that's what he should've done, but when things get tight again I think the Heat should go back to sharing the ball more, like they did all year. Because if their game plan becomes "lets see if JB can get 40 again", it's just not gonna work. He's not that type of player.

Perseus1966 · Post #29 » by **Perseus1966** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:05 am

The defence wasnt bad ,butler was flopping and getting ft ,so they thought stop playing defense at least we wont foul out.

Pinpilinpauxa · Post #30 » by **Pinpilinpauxa** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:15 am

LikeABosh wrote:He's definitely a full tier below the superstars unless you think there are like 15 of them

Not a big deal, really. He and Bam are in that 2nd tier just like Cp3 and Booker are and they've been doing alright (1st seed, finals appearances)

Bam?! Lol i mean, he is a very good defensive player but cant make up his mediocre ofense. He havent been even mediocre vs Capela less Hawks.

Myth · Post #31 » by **Myth** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:33 am

GeorgeMarcus wrote:
Myth wrote:So let me get this straight. A player has a career playoff high game and you have a reactionary thread complaining about others using an entire year as a rule over an exception? You don’t see the irony here?

If the thread is a reaction to his point total today then yes, it's reactionary. But Butler has demonstrated a career's worth of star impact, and was the clear best player on a Finals-bound team just 2 years ago

The whole superstar vs star debate is typically just a difference in definition. Some say superstars are those top 3 or so guys, while others seem to refer to 10 or so guys as superstars. Take away those distances in definitions and I don’t know of anybody who doesn’t view him a an upper level player.

But yes, the title of this thread stinks of reactionary.

Dupp · Post #32 » by **Dupp** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:47 am

They were injured last year. This shouldn’t surprise anyone

SA37 · Post #33 » by **SA37** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:31 am

LikeABosh wrote:He's definitely a full tier below the superstars unless you think there are like 15 of them

Not a big deal, really. He and Bam are in that 2nd tier just like Cp3 and Booker are and they've been doing alright (1st seed, finals appearances)

Butler is not a superstar but can give you superstar-ish output over a short stretch. On top of that, he is an excellent 2-way player. I see him very much being like Paul George in that respect, but Butler is less of a chucker.

I am not even sure Bam becomes a perennial all-star. He is a Swiss army knife as a player, but he just doesn't have any dominant qualities. In that sense, he reminds me of Rasheed Wallace, in terms of impact.

JN61 · Post #34 » by **JN61** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:10 am

They are playing vs hawks. It's layup line all game long.

BrianFitz · Post #35 » by **BrianFitz** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:11 am

Eagle4 wrote:Seriously if you ran with this narrative then you should be ashamed. If 2020 never happened I could understand but people took '21 as the rule rather than the exception. Heat came off a long playoff run with a shortened off season so what you saw was dead legs. Playoff Butler is a selfless superstar. That is all.

Relax my guy. They're up on a playin team. Keep the same energy when they getting steamrolled in the second round.

JN61 · Post #36 » by **JN61** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:12 am

GSP wrote:Jimmy is a top 10 player..... I dont think hes a true superstar but hes a prime Pippen level player if not better. Close.

Ppl were real life saying Bam was better than him.........lmaooo clowns

Pippen is superior to Butler.

Eagle4 · Post #37 » by **Eagle4** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:13 am

BrianFitz wrote:
Eagle4 wrote:Seriously if you ran with this narrative then you should be ashamed. If 2020 never happened I could understand but people took '21 as the rule rather than the exception. Heat came off a long playoff run with a shortened off season so what you saw was dead legs. Playoff Butler is a selfless superstar. That is all.

Relax my guy. They're up on a playin team. Keep the same energy when they getting steamrolled in the second round.

Please Leprechaun, get past KD/Kyrie first. I'd genuinely love for the Heat to eliminate Boston for the 4th straight time. Maybe this time it'll be Jimmy that has a game saving block on Tatum. :lol:

1st banana · Post #38 » by **1st banana** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:45 pm

Didn’t he put up a 45 point triple double in the finals basically by himself? Jimmy been a beast for a minute now.

WRau1 · Post #39 » by **WRau1** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:21 pm

Butler is in that 2nd tier of stars, I wouldn't put him in my top 10. Giannis, Embiid, Jokic, Luka, KD, LBJ, Kawhi & Steph are clearly ahead of Butler. Then you have Tatum who most would take over Butler. That would leave Butler at the cusp of making that 10 spot but then you still have guys like Booker, CP3, Kyrie, Morant & Young.

Slax · Post #40 » by **Slax** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:37 pm

DroseReturnChi wrote:
GeorgeMarcus wrote:
Kingdibs19 wrote:Lol @ all the fans that took useless lifer Haslem’s side over the Heat’s Star player. Unreal.

Butler is a star and I've defended his game/persona throughout his career. But that incident was a clear error in judgement on his part. Haslem was in the right and Jimmy himself probably realized that once tempers cooled

jimmys problem is he needs a team that can match his energy. all the loser teams failed him he is like MJ's forbidden son.
only miami can tame him which is why i root for miami. i would gift jimmy to punch someone just like MJ did it to kerr to make him grow up.

you might call me crazy but jimmy is the only guy i can root for in this league that has old mans game. rest of guys are tissue soft i dont even want to bother watching. if you want to win a title you need jimmys perfectionist attitude otherwise ur just playing for money,fame.

Damn straight I'm going to call you crazy after you said you want Jimmy to punch his teammates. :lol: