When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season

[swarlesbarkley]

Him standing in the bubble was him not agreeing with everything that BLM has done in the past. You must not have listened to his reason.

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From the presser immediately after:

"Everyone is made in the image of god and we all share in god's glory"
"Sometimes it gets to a point where we point fingers as to who's evil is worse"
"Racism isn't the only thing in our society that plagues our world"
"We all fall short of god's glory"

... aka all lives matter. It's not deep. It's glossing over the actual issue. It's funny - he never mentioned how standing actually helps black lives but he was pretty adamant that kneeling and wearing a t-shirt didn't help. Neither act "helps" on the micro but one for sure distracted from the actual issue (police brutality) while trying to turn the issue into something to do with religion (aka "everyone has an opportunity to have a relationship with jesus").

Yes, he believed some members of BLM were racist. He believes racism by anyone is wrong.

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That's great and noble and all but his faith blinds him into an "everyone-ism" that ignores society dynamics and power structures which determine which types racism effects an individual vs which effects an entire group of people. Saying "it's all bad just find jesus" helps no one in this reality (the only one we can prove). It's a very lazy way of thinking about racism.

But more importantly - I watched his whole presser and he said nothing about BLM being racist.

[basketballRob]

From the presser immediately after:

"Everyone is made in the image of god and we all share in god's glory"
"Sometimes it gets to a point where we point fingers as to who's evil is worse"
"Racism isn't the only thing in our society that plagues our world"
"We all fall short of god's glory"

... aka all lives matter. It's not deep. It's glossing over the actual issue. It's funny - he never mentioned how standing actually helps black lives but he was pretty adamant that kneeling and wearing a t-shirt didn't help. Neither act "helps" on the micro but one for sure distracted from the actual issue (police brutality) while trying to turn the issue into something to do with religion (aka "everyone has an opportunity to have a relationship with jesus").

Yes, he believed some members of BLM were racist. He believes racism by anyone is wrong.

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That's great and noble and all but his faith blinds him into an "everyone-ism" that ignores society dynamics and power structures which determine which types racism effects an individual vs which effects an entire group of people. Saying "it's all bad just find jesus" helps no one in this reality (the only one we can prove). It's a very lazy way of thinking about racism.

But more importantly - I watched his whole presser and he said nothing about BLM being racist.

I understand. You are like the folks that were critical of Kapernick, only on the opposite side of the spectrum. I'm in the middle where I feel like JI and Kapernick should feel free to express themselves without persecution.

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[swarlesbarkley]

Yes, he believed some members of BLM were racist. He believes racism by anyone is wrong.

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That's great and noble and all but his faith blinds him into an "everyone-ism" that ignores society dynamics and power structures which determine which types racism effects an individual vs which effects an entire group of people. Saying "it's all bad just find jesus" helps no one in this reality (the only one we can prove). It's a very lazy way of thinking about racism.

But more importantly - I watched his whole presser and he said nothing about BLM being racist.

I understand. You are like the folks that were critical of Kapernick, only in the opposite side of the spectrum. I'm in the middle where I feel like JI and Kapernick should feel free to express themselves without persecution.

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Our opinions aside, can you provide where JI said he stood because he believed members of BLM were racist? You seemed to skip that part.

[fendilim]

Meh, his beliefs dont affect him as a player. Too much ado about nothing.

[Xatticus]

Yes, he believed some members of BLM were racist. He believes racism by anyone is wrong.

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That's great and noble and all but his faith blinds him into an "everyone-ism" that ignores society dynamics and power structures which determine which types racism effects an individual vs which effects an entire group of people. Saying "it's all bad just find jesus" helps no one in this reality (the only one we can prove). It's a very lazy way of thinking about racism.

But more importantly - I watched his whole presser and he said nothing about BLM being racist.

I understand. You are like the folks that were critical of Kapernick, only on the opposite side of the spectrum. I'm in the middle where I feel like JI and Kapernick should feel free to express themselves without persecution.

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Nobody is saying he can't express himself. They are criticizing him based on what he has expressed. Criticism is not persecution. Advocating for his freedom to express his opinions does not put you in the middle of a spectrum.

Let's give you a test...

Do you believe that members of NAMBLA should be allowed to express their beliefs free of any criticism? Roll that around in your brain for a little while and you will be at the very beginning of the road to understanding what freedom of speech is all about.

Simply because you don't disapprove of what someone is saying does not mean that nobody could or should disapprove of what they are saying.

Personally, I find Isaac's rhetoric a bit cringy. I didn't like that some pastor patronized him during his rookie season. It smacked of opportunism from someone seeking to benefit from Isaac's newfound wealth and fame. I don't like that he has buddied up to Shapiro or that he is speaking at QAnon events. If one wants to be an actual civic leader, then the first step on that journey is education. All of that said, I respect Isaac's right to choose his own path. He doesn't need my approval. If he was a member of some other organization, I wouldn't care in the slightest.

[swarlesbarkley]

That's great and noble and all but his faith blinds him into an "everyone-ism" that ignores society dynamics and power structures which determine which types racism effects an individual vs which effects an entire group of people. Saying "it's all bad just find jesus" helps no one in this reality (the only one we can prove). It's a very lazy way of thinking about racism.

But more importantly - I watched his whole presser and he said nothing about BLM being racist.

I understand. You are like the folks that were critical of Kapernick, only on the opposite side of the spectrum. I'm in the middle where I feel like JI and Kapernick should feel free to express themselves without persecution.

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Nobody is saying he can't express himself. They are criticizing him based on what he has expressed. Criticism is not persecution. Advocating for his freedom to express his opinions does not put you in the middle of a spectrum.

Let's give you a test...

Do you believe that members of NAMBLA should be allowed to express their beliefs free of any criticism? Roll that around in your brain for a little while and you will be at the very beginning of the road to understanding what freedom of speech is all about.

Simply because you don't disapprove of what someone is saying does not mean that nobody could or should disapprove of what they are saying.

Personally, I find Isaac's rhetoric a bit cringy. I didn't like that some pastor patronized him during his rookie season. It smacked of opportunism from someone seeking to benefit from Isaac's newfound wealth and fame. I don't like that he has buddied up to Shapiro or that he is speaking at QAnon events. If one wants to be an actual civic leader, then the first step on that journey is education. All of that said, I respect Isaac's right to choose his own path. He doesn't need my approval. If he was a member of some other organization, I wouldn't care in the slightest.

Well said.

My main point in this thread recently is that JI's takes are not unique nor do they show any signs of critical thinking on his part. He's been heralded as a "free thinker" or not being a "sheep" when he decided to stand during the anthem. Sure, he didn't follow the majority of the rest of the NBA at that time, but he was actually subscribing to a much larger sheep factory in his all lives matter / everyone needs to find jesus take. If his faith helps him feel purpose in this world, that's great, but it's not some sign that he's a free thinker - I think one could argue it's actually a sign of the opposite.

[LDNMagic90]

That's great and noble and all but his faith blinds him into an "everyone-ism" that ignores society dynamics and power structures which determine which types racism effects an individual vs which effects an entire group of people. Saying "it's all bad just find jesus" helps no one in this reality (the only one we can prove). It's a very lazy way of thinking about racism.

But more importantly - I watched his whole presser and he said nothing about BLM being racist.

I understand. You are like the folks that were critical of Kapernick, only on the opposite side of the spectrum. I'm in the middle where I feel like JI and Kapernick should feel free to express themselves without persecution.

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Nobody is saying he can't express himself. They are criticizing him based on what he has expressed. Criticism is not persecution. Advocating for his freedom to express his opinions does not put you in the middle of a spectrum.

Let's give you a test...

Do you believe that members of NAMBLA should be allowed to express their beliefs free of any criticism? Roll that around in your brain for a little while and you will be at the very beginning of the road to understanding what freedom of speech is all about.

Simply because you don't disapprove of what someone is saying does not mean that nobody could or should disapprove of what they are saying.

Personally, I find Isaac's rhetoric a bit cringy. I didn't like that some pastor patronized him during his rookie season. It smacked of opportunism from someone seeking to benefit from Isaac's newfound wealth and fame. I don't like that he has buddied up to Shapiro or that he is speaking at QAnon events. If one wants to be an actual civic leader, then the first step on that journey is education. All of that said, I respect Isaac's right to choose his own path. He doesn't need my approval. If he was a member of some other organization, I wouldn't care in the slightest.

I had to Google NAMBLA and I remember the South Park episode now lol . The point you made is a good one to be honest.

[basketballRob]

Hopefully, members of BLM ask Isaac for an interview about his book. Seems like only members on the right want to make books with him and hear his point of view. I know people here on the far left want him to turn down the attention and money. I think he likes to have an audience for his preaching.

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[swarlesbarkley]

Hopefully, members of BLM ask Isaac for an interview about his book. Seems like only members on the right want to make books with him and hear his point of view. I know people here on the far left want him to turn down the attention and money. I think he likes to have an audience for his preaching.

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Maybe they have and JI declined? Or maybe they haven't reached out because apparently JI has called members of BLM racist - where did JI say this again?

[Skybox]

Hopefully, members of BLM ask Isaac for an interview about his book. Seems like only members on the right want to make books with him and hear his point of view. I know people here on the far left want him to turn down the attention and money. I think he likes to have an audience for his preaching.

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Forget to so quickly go "far left" and "far right"...that whole Qanon/Stop the Steal/Proud Boys scene is a whole different matter. There are plenty of churchgoers and Republicans and one-issue voters (abortion, taxes, whatever) that "identify" as Republican that are appalled by that foolishness. Hearing Isaac is speaking at churches, etc, even political rallies that I may or may not support, would be great, IMO...the whole fringe he's flirting with is pretty far overboard and concerning...I think he's well-meaning but I hope he doesn't end up at the next Capitol Riot thinking it was some kind of Christian Rally...back to hoops.

[swarlesbarkley]

Hopefully, members of BLM ask Isaac for an interview about his book. Seems like only members on the right want to make books with him and hear his point of view. I know people here on the far left want him to turn down the attention and money. I think he likes to have an audience for his preaching.

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Forget to so quickly go "far left" and "far right"...that whole Qanon/Stop the Steal/Proud Boys scene is a whole different matter. There are plenty of churchgoers and Republicans and one-issue voters (abortion, taxes, whatever) that "identify" as Republican that are appalled by that foolishness. Hearing Isaac is speaking at churches, etc, even political rallies that I may or may not support, would be great, IMO...the whole fringe he's flirting with is pretty far overboard and concerning...I think he's well-meaning but I hope he doesn't end up at the next Capitol Riot thinking it was some kind of Christian Rally...back to hoops.

Lol!

"I'm here for the 3v3 tournament but the guy in the Viking hat is telling me Jesus told him to storm the capitol so I guess I'll do that first"

[basketballRob]

Hopefully, members of BLM ask Isaac for an interview about his book. Seems like only members on the right want to make books with him and hear his point of view. I know people here on the far left want him to turn down the attention and money. I think he likes to have an audience for his preaching.

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Forget to so quickly go "far left" and "far right"...that whole Qanon/Stop the Steal/Proud Boys scene is a whole different matter. There are plenty of churchgoers and Republicans and one-issue voters (abortion, taxes, whatever) that "identify" as Republican that are appalled by that foolishness. Hearing Isaac is speaking at churches, etc, even political rallies that I may or may not support, would be great, IMO...the whole fringe he's flirting with is pretty far overboard and concerning...I think he's well-meaning but I hope he doesn't end up at the next Capitol Riot thinking it was some kind of Christian Rally...back to hoops.

Lol!

"I'm here for the 3v3 tournament but the guy in the Viking hat is telling me Jesus told him to storm the capitol so I guess I'll do that first"

I totally forgot that Isaac was a Proud boy.

Also, Isaac has stated before that the left-wing media hasn't asked him to do an interview.

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[swarlesbarkley]

Forget to so quickly go "far left" and "far right"...that whole Qanon/Stop the Steal/Proud Boys scene is a whole different matter. There are plenty of churchgoers and Republicans and one-issue voters (abortion, taxes, whatever) that "identify" as Republican that are appalled by that foolishness. Hearing Isaac is speaking at churches, etc, even political rallies that I may or may not support, would be great, IMO...the whole fringe he's flirting with is pretty far overboard and concerning...I think he's well-meaning but I hope he doesn't end up at the next Capitol Riot thinking it was some kind of Christian Rally...back to hoops.

Lol!

"I'm here for the 3v3 tournament but the guy in the Viking hat is telling me Jesus told him to storm the capitol so I guess I'll do that first"

I totally forgot that Isaac was a Proud boy.

Also, Isaac has stated before that the left-wing media hasn't asked him to do an interview.

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It was a hypothetical joke.

Are you still looking up where JI said he stood because members of BLM were racist or should I stop asking? I'm curious about his comments on this (timing, sources, details) to hear him and look into it but it seems more like you might have been projecting that on him since you've responded to my posts yet ignored this question 3 times now.

[davey_wavy]

Issac is correct. It's not lazy of him to redirect racism towards Jesus, that's what Jesus came here to do (heal all of us, and take a beating on that cross to be forgiven of our sins). If you have a problem with Jonathan's take on this, that is fine. Your judgement on him will not affect his faith, it will only detract from your own. Who are any of us to judge him anyways?

[basketballRob]

Lol!

"I'm here for the 3v3 tournament but the guy in the Viking hat is telling me Jesus told him to storm the capitol so I guess I'll do that first"

I totally forgot that Isaac was a Proud boy.

Also, Isaac has stated before that the left-wing media hasn't asked him to do an interview.

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It was a hypothetical joke.

Are you still looking up where JI said he stood because members of BLM were racist or should I stop asking? I'm curious about his comments on this (timing, sources, details) to hear him and look into it but it seems more like you might have been projecting that on him since you've responded to my posts yet ignored this question 3 times now.

I'm not going to rewatch all his interviews to pinpoint exactly where he made a statement about it. You just read snippets and form an opinion.

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[Magic_Kingdom]

Lol!

"I'm here for the 3v3 tournament but the guy in the Viking hat is telling me Jesus told him to storm the capitol so I guess I'll do that first"

I totally forgot that Isaac was a Proud boy.

Also, Isaac has stated before that the left-wing media hasn't asked him to do an interview.

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It was a hypothetical joke.

Are you still looking up where JI said he stood because members of BLM were racist or should I stop asking? I'm curious about his comments on this (timing, sources, details) to hear him and look into it but it seems more like you might have been projecting that on him since you've responded to my posts yet ignored this question 3 times now.

You might as well stop asking. This thread is littered with his proclamations of fact for which he refuses to provide a source when questioned. Recurring theme.

[swarlesbarkley]

I totally forgot that Isaac was a Proud boy.

Also, Isaac has stated before that the left-wing media hasn't asked him to do an interview.

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It was a hypothetical joke.

Are you still looking up where JI said he stood because members of BLM were racist or should I stop asking? I'm curious about his comments on this (timing, sources, details) to hear him and look into it but it seems more like you might have been projecting that on him since you've responded to my posts yet ignored this question 3 times now.

I'm not going to rewatch all his interviews to pinpoint exactly where he made a statement about it. You just read snippets and form an opinion.

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He didn't say it in the presser immediately after the game. I figured he would've stated it during that presser if that was his reason for doing so - he was asked about it multiple times in that presser - instead he did the whole all lives matter under god / everyone has a chance to find jesus. I'm going to believe that was his original reason for standing (since he repeated it over and over again) and if he mentioned anything about BLM being racist after the fact it was most likely because someone else told him he could monetize his situation or pander to a certain audience.

Does listening to his entire presser following the situation mean I "just read snippets"? If anything, I've done more work trying to find your point than you have.

[swarlesbarkley]

Issac is correct. It's not lazy of him to redirect racism towards Jesus, that's what Jesus came here to do (heal all of us, and take a beating on that cross to be forgiven of our sins). If you have a problem with Jonathan's take on this, that is fine. Your judgement on him will not affect his faith, it will only detract from your own. Who are any of us to judge him anyways?

I'm not judging his faith - I don't believe in it but that's whatever. I'm criticizing the idea he presented that kneeling to bring awareness to an issue isn't the way to help. JI repeatedly said in his presser that kneeling and wearing a shirt wasn't the way to support black lives but the only way he presented instead of that was to find jesus. Kneeling and wearing a shirt at least brought attention to a real life tangible issue - JI standing detracted from it and instead promoted some sort of fairy tale that doesn't help the real life tangible issue.

[basketballRob]

It was a hypothetical joke.

Are you still looking up where JI said he stood because members of BLM were racist or should I stop asking? I'm curious about his comments on this (timing, sources, details) to hear him and look into it but it seems more like you might have been projecting that on him since you've responded to my posts yet ignored this question 3 times now.

I'm not going to rewatch all his interviews to pinpoint exactly where he made a statement about it. You just read snippets and form an opinion.

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He didn't say it in the presser immediately after the game. I figured he would've stated it during that presser if that was his reason for doing so - he was asked about it multiple times in that presser - instead he did the whole all lives matter under god / everyone has a chance to find jesus. I'm going to believe that was his original reason for standing (since he repeated it over and over again) and if he mentioned anything about BLM being racist after the fact it was most likely because someone else told him he could monetize his situation or pander to a certain audience.

Does listening to his entire presser following the situation mean I "just read snippets"? If anything, I've done more work trying to find your point than you have.

I've listened to probably 5 hours of his interviews and I'm not going to listen to them again.





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[swarlesbarkley]

I'm not going to rewatch all his interviews to pinpoint exactly where he made a statement about it. You just read snippets and form an opinion.

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He didn't say it in the presser immediately after the game. I figured he would've stated it during that presser if that was his reason for doing so - he was asked about it multiple times in that presser - instead he did the whole all lives matter under god / everyone has a chance to find jesus. I'm going to believe that was his original reason for standing (since he repeated it over and over again) and if he mentioned anything about BLM being racist after the fact it was most likely because someone else told him he could monetize his situation or pander to a certain audience.

Does listening to his entire presser following the situation mean I "just read snippets"? If anything, I've done more work trying to find your point than you have.

I've listened to probably 5 hours of his interviews and I'm not going to listen to them again.





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I wouldn't want to subject myself to that either

I guess we'll just know he didn't say that immediately after the situation and, instead, he provided a very clear reason why he stood which happens to not be very helpful nor does it show any sort of "free thinking".