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Colbinii · Post #1801 » by **Colbinii** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 2:27 pm

eminence wrote:1-10, how dumb would it be for Marks to let Kyrie opt out and then just not offer him a deal?

7

I can see the rationale behind the idea but then you also lose Durant.

Richard4444 · Post #1802 » by **Richard4444** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 2:31 pm

Resistance wrote:I wouldn't have Utah as part of the discussions on what teams were trying to do in the mid first round and higher in the 2020 Draft.

27. Utah......Azubuike

The next picks were Jaden McDaniels, Flynn and Bane...

Post #1803 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 2:53 pm

eminence wrote:1-10, how dumb would it be for Marks to let Kyrie opt out and then just not offer him a deal?

If he could trade Ben Simmons first (he can't), it wouldn't be dumb. Especially if Durant would be okay with it and based on how they played together in the post season, he might be.

I'd have serious concerns about signing any of Harden, Beal, or Kyrie to five-year vet max deals. What are the chances they're worth all that money over the lives of those contracts?

giberish · Post #1804 » by **giberish** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 4:46 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
eminence wrote:1-10, how dumb would it be for Marks to let Kyrie opt out and then just not offer him a deal?

If he could trade Ben Simmons first (he can't), it wouldn't be dumb. Especially if Durant would be okay with it and based on how they played together in the post season, he might be.

I'd have serious concerns about signing any of Harden, Beal, or Kyrie to five-year vet max deals. What are the chances they're worth all that money over the lives of those contracts?

What if you offer Irving a deal, but not a 35% max deal? Something that he has a chance to play up to, like 4/$120M. Of course there's a risk he walks, but who's offering him more?

HornetJail · Post #1805 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:14 pm

eminence wrote:1-10, how dumb would it be for Marks to let Kyrie opt out and then just not offer him a deal?

6

I'd want nothing to do with him, but you'd lose that talent and have nothing to replace him with.

Sign him and then later trade him

mademan · Post #1806 » by **mademan** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:37 pm

giberish wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
eminence wrote:1-10, how dumb would it be for Marks to let Kyrie opt out and then just not offer him a deal?

If he could trade Ben Simmons first (he can't), it wouldn't be dumb. Especially if Durant would be okay with it and based on how they played together in the post season, he might be.

I'd have serious concerns about signing any of Harden, Beal, or Kyrie to five-year vet max deals. What are the chances they're worth all that money over the lives of those contracts?

What if you offer Irving a deal, but not a 35% max deal? Something that he has a chance to play up to, like 4/$120M. Of course there's a risk he walks, but who's offering him more?

At the end of the day, it's Kyrie or no Kyrie. There are no replacements and all you do is lower your ceiling next year. And i think you'd be surprised how many teams would take on the Kyrie headache for a chance at a talent like his. Im sure some teams (Spurs/Pistons) would talk themselves into it as they can always trade him. Kyrie's on court play isnt the problem, and there will always be desperate teams that will ignore red flags in the hopes that Kyrie can help deliver them a title.

Post #1807 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:42 pm

Who can clear the space to sign Kyrie to a FA max? Isn't there an interesting game of chicken to be played here by the Nets? Make an offer you feel comfortable with, or see if Kyrie will sign with the Orlando Magic? Would the Spurs, Indy, Portland clear space to sign him? Would there be mutual interest?

Post #1808 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:47 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Who can clear the space to sign Kyrie to a FA max? Isn't there an interesting game of chicken to be played here by the Nets? Make an offer you feel comfortable with, or see if Kyrie will sign with the Orlando Magic? Would the Spurs, Indy, Portland clear space to sign him? Would there be mutual interest?

Workers paid more can often be more happy and productive in their jobs, making it worth paying them more.

It is typically the case in stuff like say Starbux versus McDonalds workers, but... If you are worried a max contract Kyrie isn't worth it, imagine how much less invested he would act if you told him he was a 25m a year player and not a 35m a year player?

I think years are debatable, but actually saying to him he isn't worth the max; I just don't see a scenario where that works out well for the team. And not just not well, but not worse than offering the max but maybe holding firm on 3-4 years and not 5.

Post #1809 » by **jbk1234** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:18 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Who can clear the space to sign Kyrie to a FA max? Isn't there an interesting game of chicken to be played here by the Nets? Make an offer you feel comfortable with, or see if Kyrie will sign with the Orlando Magic? Would the Spurs, Indy, Portland clear space to sign him? Would there be mutual interest?

Workers paid more can often be more happy and productive in their jobs, making it worth paying them more.

It is typically the case in stuff like say Starbux versus McDonalds workers, but... If you are worried a max contract Kyrie isn't worth it, imagine how much less invested he would act if you told him he was a 25m a year player and not a 35m a year player?

I think years are debatable, but actually saying to him he isn't worth the max; I just don't see a scenario where that works out well for the team. And not just not well, but not worse than offering the max but maybe holding firm on 3-4 years and not 5.

In fairness, it's Kyrie. There's a decent chance he's unhappy even if he gets paid.

Post #1810 » by **zimpy27** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:28 am

eminence wrote:1-10, how dumb would it be for Marks to let Kyrie opt out and then just not offer him a deal?

10

I'm not a fan of Kyrie but you can't let a big time asset walk, especially one that brought KD to your team and brings this much attention to your team.

You have to show the NBA that Brooklyn looks after star players, that's your market.

cgf · Post #1811 » by **cgf** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:47 pm

I'm sure it's been discussed before, but a quick search didn't find me a thread about it...what do people think a Conley to NYK trade looks like if we strike out on Brunson, Brogdon, and our dream targets?

Post #1812 » by **Texas Chuck** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:56 pm

cgf wrote:I'm sure it's been discussed before, but a quick search didn't find me a thread about it...what do people think a Conley to NYK trade looks like if we strike out on Brunson, Brogdon, and our dream targets?

I don't think it cost much. I mean Kemba/Burks/2nd rounder? Something like that. Conley has looked really old in the playoffs.

Also, please strike out on Jalen. :wink:

cgf · Post #1813 » by **cgf** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:58 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
cgf wrote:I'm sure it's been discussed before, but a quick search didn't find me a thread about it...what do people think a Conley to NYK trade looks like if we strike out on Brunson, Brogdon, and our dream targets?

I don't think it cost much. I mean Kemba/Burks/2nd rounder? Something like that. Conley has looked really old in the playoffs.

Also, please strike out on Jalen.

Post #1814 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:58 pm

cgf wrote:I'm sure it's been discussed before, but a quick search didn't find me a thread about it...what do people think a Conley to NYK trade looks like if we strike out on Brunson, Brogdon, and our dream targets?

I think it just depends on what Utah ends up doing this offseason. If they tear it down a bit, maybe NY could sneak out with a Kemba/Noel/future Pistons 2nd for Conley? Or maybe a Fournier is the salary matching instead for extra value to Utah? Or… there’s a lot of permutations here based on what Utah wants to do.

cgf · Post #1815 » by **cgf** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:07 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
cgf wrote:I'm sure it's been discussed before, but a quick search didn't find me a thread about it...what do people think a Conley to NYK trade looks like if we strike out on Brunson, Brogdon, and our dream targets?

I think it just depends on what Utah ends up doing this offseason. If they tear it down a bit, maybe NY could sneak out with a Kemba/Noel/future Pistons 2nd for Conley? Or maybe a Fournier is the salary matching instead for extra value to Utah? Or… there’s a lot of permutations here based on what Utah wants to do.

Thanks. I don't think our FO would want to pay much to use Fournier instead of Burks...as I assume that Utah would start asking for a FRP or one of the kids we like in that case, right? But maybe if we're talking about a pickswap and they don't like the talent left at 11/12? Assuming that's the case, Kemba + Burks/Noel + #42 (or future SRP) seems like a decent enough plan C for us at the PG spot.

...though it would be mildly annoying if we ended up having to go that route again; regardless of whether Conley's has any more left in the tank than Kemba did a year ago :-?

babyjax13 · Post #1816 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:34 pm

cgf wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
cgf wrote:I'm sure it's been discussed before, but a quick search didn't find me a thread about it...what do people think a Conley to NYK trade looks like if we strike out on Brunson, Brogdon, and our dream targets?

I think it just depends on what Utah ends up doing this offseason. If they tear it down a bit, maybe NY could sneak out with a Kemba/Noel/future Pistons 2nd for Conley? Or maybe a Fournier is the salary matching instead for extra value to Utah? Or… there’s a lot of permutations here based on what Utah wants to do.

Thanks. I don't think our FO would want to pay much to use Fournier instead of Burks...as I assume that Utah would start asking for a FRP or one of the kids we like in that case, right? But maybe if we're talking about a pickswap and they don't like the talent left at 11/12? Assuming that's the case, Kemba + Burks/Noel + #42 (or future SRP) seems like a decent enough plan C for us at the PG spot.

...though it would be mildly annoying if we ended up having to go that route again; regardless of whether Conley's has any more left in the tank than Kemba did a year ago

I'd do expirings + 2nd for Conley, we need to reset. Think he has more in the tank.

Post #1817 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:46 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
cgf wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
I think it just depends on what Utah ends up doing this offseason. If they tear it down a bit, maybe NY could sneak out with a Kemba/Noel/future Pistons 2nd for Conley? Or maybe a Fournier is the salary matching instead for extra value to Utah? Or… there’s a lot of permutations here based on what Utah wants to do.

Thanks. I don't think our FO would want to pay much to use Fournier instead of Burks...as I assume that Utah would start asking for a FRP or one of the kids we like in that case, right? But maybe if we're talking about a pickswap and they don't like the talent left at 11/12? Assuming that's the case, Kemba + Burks/Noel + #42 (or future SRP) seems like a decent enough plan C for us at the PG spot.

...though it would be mildly annoying if we ended up having to go that route again; regardless of whether Conley's has any more left in the tank than Kemba did a year ago

I'd do expirings + 2nd for Conley, we need to reset. Think he has more in the tank.

Grayson Allen, George Hill, filler? For Conley

babyjax13 · Post #1818 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:52 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
cgf wrote:
Thanks. I don't think our FO would want to pay much to use Fournier instead of Burks...as I assume that Utah would start asking for a FRP or one of the kids we like in that case, right? But maybe if we're talking about a pickswap and they don't like the talent left at 11/12? Assuming that's the case, Kemba + Burks/Noel + #42 (or future SRP) seems like a decent enough plan C for us at the PG spot.

...though it would be mildly annoying if we ended up having to go that route again; regardless of whether Conley's has any more left in the tank than Kemba did a year ago

I'd do expirings + 2nd for Conley, we need to reset. Think he has more in the tank.

Grayson Allen, George Hill, filler? For Conley

I never want Grayson Allen near my team again, I don't want the fear of him injuring our own players to return. But if someone else gives something for Allen, sure. Also, Hill did not leave on good terms in Utah - not sure it matters - but reportedly he pissed off just about everyone in the lockerroom and front office. Gobert and Snyder are the only people left from that era, though, and I liked his game a lot so wouldn't mind him off the bench.

Ell Curry · Post #1819 » by **Ell Curry** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 1:50 am

babyjax13 wrote:I'd do expirings + 2nd for Conley, we need to reset. Think he has more in the tank.

He was 23rd on EPM and that's too high but it shows something, so even at his age and money I think he's a really good starter, but I have no idea which teams he makes sense for. What contender needs a small PG? Denver did this year, but won't with Murray back. The Lakers, sure, but would they give up a totally unprotected future first for Conley and Bogdanovic so Utah can cut Westbrook?

Apz · Post #1820 » by **Apz** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 5:03 am

zimpy27 wrote:
eminence wrote:1-10, how dumb would it be for Marks to let Kyrie opt out and then just not offer him a deal?

10

I'm not a fan of Kyrie but you can't let a big time asset walk, especially one that brought KD to your team and brings this much attention to your team.

You have to show the NBA that Brooklyn looks after star players, that's your market.

Think the question is more, after this season, do KD even want Kyrie back in Nets? KD is like the ultimate professional, Kyrie the ultimate unprofessional. My feeling is that KD have had enough of Kyries shenanigans.