Trade Ideas for This Season

Post #321 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:45 am

Wolverine wrote:Mitchell for Giddey & Dort?

Who is going to score on such a roster? Who will Giddey pass the ball to?

Wolverine · Post #322 » by **Wolverine** » Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:48 am

Inigo Montoya wrote:
Wolverine wrote:Mitchell for Giddey & Dort?

Who is going to score on such a roster? Who will Giddey pass the ball to?

I bet Giddey hits Gobert with many more passes. He can pass to Bojan, Clarkson & whoever we can flip Conley for maybe Grant?

1 Giddey
2 Dort
3 Bojan
4 Grant
5 Gobert

Post #323 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Mon Apr 25, 2022 8:34 am

Wolverine wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
Wolverine wrote:Mitchell for Giddey & Dort?

Who is going to score on such a roster? Who will Giddey pass the ball to?

I bet Giddey hits Gobert with many more passes. He can pass to Bojan, Clarkson & whoever we can flip Conley for maybe Grant?

1 Giddey
2 Dort
3 Bojan
4 Grant
5 Gobert

I think this lineup will have trouble scoring. I really like Giddey but if the Jazz move Mitchell and keep the same roster, we'll have a terrible offense. A few extra lobs to Gobert won't change anything, and everyone knows he can score any other way, while Giddey isn't a good 3pt shooter (26.3%). Teams will just sag off him and make it harder to pass to Gobert. I also don't see any way we get Grant for Conley, whom the Pistons don't need.

Wolverine · Post #324 » by **Wolverine** » Mon Apr 25, 2022 8:49 am

Inigo Montoya wrote:
Wolverine wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:Who is going to score on such a roster? Who will Giddey pass the ball to?

I bet Giddey hits Gobert with many more passes. He can pass to Bojan, Clarkson & whoever we can flip Conley for maybe Grant?

1 Giddey
2 Dort
3 Bojan
4 Grant
5 Gobert

I think this lineup will have trouble scoring. I really like Giddey but if the Jazz move Mitchell and keep the same roster, we'll have a terrible offense. A few extra lobs to Gobert won't change anything, and everyone knows he can score any other way, while Giddey isn't a good 3pt shooter (26.3%). Teams will just sag off him and make it harder to pass to Gobert. I also don't see any way we get Grant for Conley, whom the Pistons don't need.

Pistons have always been interested in Conley. It upsizes our tiny perimeter defenders too. Dort is a defensive stopper and Giddey and Donovan are both average.

Post #325 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:10 pm

Wolverine wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
Wolverine wrote:
I bet Giddey hits Gobert with many more passes. He can pass to Bojan, Clarkson & whoever we can flip Conley for maybe Grant?

1 Giddey
2 Dort
3 Bojan
4 Grant
5 Gobert

I think this lineup will have trouble scoring. I really like Giddey but if the Jazz move Mitchell and keep the same roster, we'll have a terrible offense. A few extra lobs to Gobert won't change anything, and everyone knows he can score any other way, while Giddey isn't a good 3pt shooter (26.3%). Teams will just sag off him and make it harder to pass to Gobert. I also don't see any way we get Grant for Conley, whom the Pistons don't need.

Pistons have always been interested in Conley. It upsizes our tiny perimeter defenders too. Dort is a defensive stopper and Giddey and Donovan are both average.

I don't see the Pistons paying so much money for what will essentially be a backup for Cunningham.
Yes, this helps us defensively, but this team wouldn't be able to keep up with other teams on the offensive side. It is way too limited offensively.

bkohler · Post #326 » by **bkohler** » Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:00 pm

My assumption is if you're trading Mitchell for Giddey you've entered the TankNote stage of life and offense isn't what you're worried about persay. Heck, if we trade Mitchell in general I think you're there no matter what the return is.

Post #327 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:25 pm

bkohler wrote:My assumption is if you're trading Mitchell for Giddey you've entered the TankNote stage of life and offense isn't what you're worried about persay. Heck, if we trade Mitchell in general I think you're there no matter what the return is.

I agree. I'm not opposed to this type of trade, but if we do this it means we're going to a full rebuild mode (which I support). But If you're doing it to make the team better or more competitive, that's where I beg to differ.

bkohler · Post #328 » by **bkohler** » Tue Apr 26, 2022 12:43 am

Yeah, the only real purgatory in the NBA is a fringed lottery team trying desperately to compete.

Go all in one way or another.

sip · Post #329 » by **sip** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:15 am

babyjax13 wrote:
sip wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:I think we'd be trading a top 6 or 7 point guard for a role player.
Conley is not even close to a top 7 pg. He is a role player at this point of his career for us and his lack of size and defense is a killer. We need a stud perimeter defender in the backcourt more than we need the mini me backcourt of he and Mitchell.

These are the pg's that are clearly in front of him.

Trae
CP
Curry
Lillard
Maxey
Lowry
Van Fleet
Garland
Morant
Irving
Dejounte Murray
Fox
SGA
Lamelo Ball
Lonzo Ball
Harden

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Conley is better than Maxey, Vanvleet, Fox, and Lonzo. I wouldn't count Harden or SHA as point guards, but if you did, sure. By my count that puts Conley at 10, but I'd personally take him over Lowry, so that's 9th best in my books (so not top 6-7). But it's also the most stacked position, and I think that makes him about a top 40 player and Smart is just nowhere near that, and two third string guys aren't making up the difference.

Boy did this post not age well. Smart wins defensive player of the year while Conley is probably bottom 5 pg in the league. Imagine how different the second half of this season and this playoff series would have been with Smart and Pritchard in place of Conley and Forrest.

babyjax13 · Post #330 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:52 am

sip wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
sip wrote:Conley is not even close to a top 7 pg. He is a role player at this point of his career for us and his lack of size and defense is a killer. We need a stud perimeter defender in the backcourt more than we need the mini me backcourt of he and Mitchell.

These are the pg's that are clearly in front of him.

Trae
CP
Curry
Lillard
Maxey
Lowry
Van Fleet
Garland
Morant
Irving
Dejounte Murray
Fox
SGA
Lamelo Ball
Lonzo Ball
Harden

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Conley is better than Maxey, Vanvleet, Fox, and Lonzo. I wouldn't count Harden or SHA as point guards, but if you did, sure. By my count that puts Conley at 10, but I'd personally take him over Lowry, so that's 9th best in my books (so not top 6-7). But it's also the most stacked position, and I think that makes him about a top 40 player and Smart is just nowhere near that, and two third string guys aren't making up the difference.

Boy did this post not age well. Smart wins defensive player of the year while Conley is probably bottom 5 pg in the league. Imagine how different the second half of this season and this playoff series would have been with Smart and Pritchard in place of Conley and Forrest.

I don't think it aged poorly. Conley was better in the regular season than all of the players I listed, and he was better than Smart, who never should have been in the conversation for DPOY, much less won it. In the playoffs Maxey has really developed into a special player, but VanVleet was terribad (13/3/5 on 35/33/83 shooting), Fox didn't make it, and Lonzo is injured. I'm not going to defend what he has done in the playoffs, and I think extending him was the wrong choice though I understood why we did it and supported it at the time. I would trade Conley for a worse but younger player, pretty easily...but he was really good this year.

sixers4real · Post #331 » by **sixers4real** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:54 am

Sixers fan:

Maxey + Thybulle + Harris + Korkmaz ($50M total) + every pick and swap we have = Mitchell + Bogdanovic ($50M total)

bkohler · Post #332 » by **bkohler** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:10 pm

So that would be Maxey/Thybulle/Harris/Korkmaz/23 1st/ 24 swap/ 26 swap / 28 swap... I don't think that would get it done personally. Too high of a chance that those swaps don't add value, although Maxey is a nice centerpiece to build something around. And I would love to see a defense with Thybulle and Gobert on the court simultaneously, but I wonder If you did Mitchell + Conley instead? That saves the Jazz a bit of long-term money and allows them to keep Bogey if they want to compete or get value from him elsewhere in a trade.

ChiroMike · Post #333 » by **ChiroMike** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:09 pm

Bill Simmons brought up an interesting trade. Would you trade Rudy for Ben Simmons. Brooklyn would have to throw in some draft capital after the soap opera year that Simmons had. I thought at the beginning of the year that I would make this trade in a heartbeat. Now I am less sure. If Ben Simmons can ever get his head right he would fit right I as a point center and the Jazz can join the modern NBA without a traditional center.

bkohler · Post #334 » by **bkohler** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:12 pm

I’m not sure Simmons is ever going to play again, so hard pass from me.

babyjax13 · Post #335 » by **babyjax13** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 12:07 am

I'm also out on Simmons. If we stick with Mitchell + Gobert I'd love to see Hayward come back.

babyjax13 · Post #336 » by **babyjax13** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 12:08 am

UTA trades: Mike Conley, Royce O'neale
UTA receives: Gordon Hayward
Utah swaps small for big. We need some guys who are 6-6 and up and switchable on the perimeter. Hayward is a smart defender - even though he has lost a step - and can be the secondary playmaker and secondary/tertiary scorer we need. I'm not sure we can get a non-risky player of that sort for what we have, so this seems like a good way to reshuffle the roster.

NYK trades: Nerlens Noel, Kemba Walker, 2022 NYK 2nd (42)
NYK receives: Mike Conley
New York gets a veteran point guard at the cost of a second. Mike was really good for us this year, though he has been bad in the playoffs, but a starting caliber guy for a second isn't a deal that comes without some tradeoffs.

CHA trades: Gordon Hayward
CHA receives: Nerlens Noel, Kemba Walker, Royce O'neale, 2022 NYK 2nd (42)
Charlotte swaps Hayward for some shorter contracts and a 3+D wing + a second (maybe the second should go to Utah, or be removed?).

SoCalJazzFan · Post #337 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 12:17 am

babyjax13 wrote:I'm also out on Simmons. If we stick with Mitchell + Gobert I'd love to see Hayward come back.

A healthy Hayward would be a good fit, but I think the Jazz fanbase burned the bridge with both Gordon and his wife when they left. I don't think the Jazz org was too happy how that went down either.

sixers4real · Post #338 » by **sixers4real** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 12:20 am

bkohler wrote:So that would be Maxey/Thybulle/Harris/Korkmaz/23 1st/ 24 swap/ 26 swap / 28 swap... I don't think that would get it done personally. Too high of a chance that those swaps don't add value, although Maxey is a nice centerpiece to build something around. And I would love to see a defense with Thybulle and Gobert on the court simultaneously, but I wonder If you did Mitchell + Conley instead? That saves the Jazz a bit of long-term money and allows them to keep Bogey if they want to compete or get value from him elsewhere in a trade.

Only if Morey finds a way to ship Conley to a third team for a wing with shooting and size.
Bogdanovic has both and would compliment Harden, Mitchell, Embiid perfectly.

babyjax13 · Post #339 » by **babyjax13** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 12:25 am

SoCalJazzFan wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:I'm also out on Simmons. If we stick with Mitchell + Gobert I'd love to see Hayward come back.

A healthy Hayward would be a good fit, but I think the Jazz fanbase burned the bridge with both Gordon and his wife when they left. I don't think the Jazz org was too happy how that went down either.

Hopefully time heals some wounds like it did with Vince Carter and the Raptors fans/org. But, it may be possible that's the case.

LAL1947 · Post #340 » by **LAL1947** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:23 am

Fantasy trade time!

Is Donovan closer to Jaylen Brown than Tatum is? If yes, he should be tapping up Jaylen to join the Jazz as the #1 option... once the playoffs are done. Jaylen will need to demand a trade to the Jazz, of course, and if he does... then:

Gobert + Bojan + FRPs + Swaps... for... Jaylen + Horford + Nesmith?