what is or is not a travel?

[trex_8063]

If he had thrown the ball off the backboard, caught it and then landed (without the dunk / shot) then it would have been a travel.

Passing the ball to yourself without it hitting the backboard would be viewed as a travel. After passing it to yourself you'd need to immediately shoot / pass it on the catch before you hit the ground.

No, the rules say "A player may not be the first to touch his own pass unless the ball touches his back- board, basket ring or another player." - so he CAN pass the ball to himself off the backboard (which I didn't realize until I read the rulebook)

Thank you, sirs. You're the only two who addressed my question; this has gone nearly 2 pages of debating the step-thru, which picko fairly well put to bed in like the 5th post or something [and I which I hopefully have put fully to bed in post #38 quoting the official rulebook], confirming THAT is legal.

It was everything after the step-thru I wasn't sure about. So, thanks DQuinn. Can you please provide a link or direction to the section that specifically states what you've quoted there?

Side question: does the same rule apply to a missed shot? i.e it must make contact with the backboard, rim, or another player before the shooter can touch it again (cannot be an air-ball, basically).
I was previously under the impression that a shot must make contact with the rim or another player before the shooter can touch it again [or else it's a travel]. But will contact with the backboard suffice, too?

[DQuinn1575]

If he had thrown the ball off the backboard, caught it and then landed (without the dunk / shot) then it would have been a travel.

Passing the ball to yourself without it hitting the backboard would be viewed as a travel. After passing it to yourself you'd need to immediately shoot / pass it on the catch before you hit the ground.

No, the rules say "A player may not be the first to touch his own pass unless the ball touches his back- board, basket ring or another player." - so he CAN pass the ball to himself off the backboard (which I didn't realize until I read the rulebook)

Thank you, sirs. You're the only two who addressed my question; this has gone nearly 2 pages of debating the step-thru, which picko fairly well put to bed in like the 5th post or something [and I which I hopefully have put fully to bed in post #38 quoting the official rulebook], confirming THAT is legal.

It was everything after the step-thru I wasn't sure about. So, thanks DQuinn. Can you please provide a link or direction to the section that specifically states what you've quoted there?

Side question: does the same rule apply to a missed shot? i.e it must make contact with the backboard, rim, or another player before the shooter can touch it again (cannot be an air-ball, basically).
I was previously under the impression that a shot must make contact with the rim or another player before the shooter can touch it again [or else it's a travel]. But will contact with the backboard suffice, too?

Rulebook link https://official.nba.com/rulebook/

You can rebound your shot that hits the backboard, but not an airball

"A player who attempts a field goal may not be the first to touch the ball if it fails to touch the backboard, basket ring or another player."

To me what always seems weird is that the 24 second clock does not reset if it hits the backboard, only the rim.

And you can shoot or pass after lifting your pivot foot, but must do so before the foot lands

"If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball."

[trex_8063]

No, the rules say "A player may not be the first to touch his own pass unless the ball touches his back- board, basket ring or another player." - so he CAN pass the ball to himself off the backboard (which I didn't realize until I read the rulebook)

Rulebook link https://official.nba.com/rulebook/

Yeah, that's the same rulebook I cited/linked previously. Can you direct me to the rule/section/passage that contains the portion you've quoted?

[Gooner]

This is not a new rule because it's not even a rule. It's a misinterpretation of the rule where refs and fans are using lift of a pivot foot as an axcuse to do a traveling violation. That's what this is all about. There is no rule that states that you can make an extra step after lifting a pivot foot, not even today. You can only shoot or pass. Pivot foot by the definition means that you are attached to a SPOT. No more steps after that.

Except that there IS a rule that explicitly states otherwise.....

https://official.nba.com/rule-no-10-violations-and-penalties/

If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.

The rule states that you have to shoot or pass after raising the pivot foot. There is no rule that says you can lift the pivot foot and make a step with your other foot because that is a travel by the definition. Pivot foot means you've stopped on the spot, there is no more steps in that situation.

[Morb]

I think players just don't know about this? Like they don't know about gather+2 early.

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[trex_8063]

Wow....

Anyway. I think picko, DQuinn1575, and myself have pretty well put this baby to bed. Will consider locking this one if it doesn't die of natural causes.

[falcolombardi]

This is not a new rule because it's not even a rule. It's a misinterpretation of the rule where refs and fans are using lift of a pivot foot as an axcuse to do a traveling violation. That's what this is all about. There is no rule that states that you can make an extra step after lifting a pivot foot, not even today. You can only shoot or pass. Pivot foot by the definition means that you are attached to a SPOT. No more steps after that.

dude, it has been told over and over, with bideos of fiba or ncaa refs and the actual text in the nba rulebook that says is legal

do you just hate giannis?
Except that there IS a rule that explicitly states otherwise.....

https://official.nba.com/rule-no-10-violations-and-penalties/

If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.

The rule states that you have to shoot or pass after raising the pivot foot. There is no rule that says you can lift the pivot foot and make a step with your other foot because that is a travel by the definition. Pivot foot means you've stopped on the spot, there is no more steps in that situation.

dude, it has been told over and over, with bideos of fiba or ncaa refs and the actual text in the nba rulebook that says is legal

do you just hate giannis?.

[penbeast0]

People still can't separate disagreeing on posts from questioning or attacking other posters. I think trex is right and I am closing this thread.