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Post#21 » by blind prophet » Wed May 4, 2022 10:43 pm

Kings coaching search

According to James Ham on the radio today....

Vivek seems to like Jackson, the front office likes Brown.

So guess we will see what happens. Should be noted the Kings GM McNair will be a lame duck this year if they are not extended.
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Post#22 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu May 5, 2022 12:06 am

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Post#23 » by Godaddycurse » Thu May 5, 2022 12:12 am

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Will probably get his money back from philly?
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Post#24 » by HornetJail » Thu May 5, 2022 1:02 am

Godaddycurse wrote:
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Will probably get his money back from philly?


Maybe I'm forgetting something but I don't remember his back being the thing keeping him from playing in Philly. First we heard of it this year was that he had a setback ramping up once he got to Brooklyn right?
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Post#26 » by Texas Chuck » Thu May 5, 2022 1:14 am

So as one of the very few posters who said we need to not make reckless assumptions about Simmons because we are in our feelings.....
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Post#27 » by jscott » Thu May 5, 2022 1:53 am

KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
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Will probably get his money back from philly?


Maybe I'm forgetting something but I don't remember his back being the thing keeping him from playing in Philly. First we heard of it this year was that he had a setback ramping up once he got to Brooklyn right?

I’m pretty sure he mentioned his back once he retuned to the 76ers to stop the per game fines.

I don’t have a link or anything to prove it though.
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Post#28 » by Colbinii » Thu May 5, 2022 2:24 am

What does everyone think Harden will get contract wise?

There is no chance he gets a Max, right?
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Post#29 » by Ell Curry » Thu May 5, 2022 2:36 am

Troubadour wrote:Don't want the Raptors to trade Pascal, but if I'm a Grizzlies fan, I'm doing whatever I can to get Ja a second star. He's incredible. All Grizzlies need to get to that next level is a 3/4 wing who can defend, create for others and go get a bucket when they have to


In theory, something based around this is possible because the Grizzlies have so much cap space:

Raptors - Bane, 15-20M player to Raptors from team X
Grizzlies - Siakam
Team X - Steven Adams

and the Grizz sign a center for the full MLE and bring back Tyus Jones so he and Melton can be the 2nd and 3rd guards, along with lots of Dillon Brooks at the 2, as he splits time with Zaire at the 3, with Siakam and JJJ at the 4 and 5 backed up by Clarke and the MLE center. Maybe Memphis trades up in the draft with their 2 late first rounders to go after someone who can play the 3 pretty quickly, either via trade or by moving up to try to get Sochan or something.
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Post#30 » by Colbinii » Thu May 5, 2022 2:40 am

Ell Curry wrote:
Troubadour wrote:Don't want the Raptors to trade Pascal, but if I'm a Grizzlies fan, I'm doing whatever I can to get Ja a second star. He's incredible. All Grizzlies need to get to that next level is a 3/4 wing who can defend, create for others and go get a bucket when they have to


In theory, something based around this is possible because the Grizzlies have so much cap space:

Raptors - Bane, 15-20M player to Raptors from team X
Grizzlies - Siakam
Team X - Steven Adams

and the Grizz sign a center for the full MLE and bring back Tyus Jones so he and Melton can be the 2nd and 3rd guards, along with lots of Dillon Brooks at the 2, as he splits time with Zaire at the 3, with Siakam and JJJ at the 4 and 5 backed up by Clarke and the MLE center. Maybe Memphis trades up in the draft with their 2 late first rounders to go after someone who can play the 3 pretty quickly, either via trade or by moving up to try to get Sochan or something.


The Grizzles aren't trading Bane for Siakam. Bane is there long term 2 like Klay is to Curry.
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Post#31 » by Godaddycurse » Thu May 5, 2022 2:47 am

Ell Curry wrote:
Troubadour wrote:Don't want the Raptors to trade Pascal, but if I'm a Grizzlies fan, I'm doing whatever I can to get Ja a second star. He's incredible. All Grizzlies need to get to that next level is a 3/4 wing who can defend, create for others and go get a bucket when they have to


In theory, something based around this is possible because the Grizzlies have so much cap space:

Raptors - Bane, 15-20M player to Raptors from team X
Grizzlies - Siakam
Team X - Steven Adams

and the Grizz sign a center for the full MLE and bring back Tyus Jones so he and Melton can be the 2nd and 3rd guards, along with lots of Dillon Brooks at the 2, as he splits time with Zaire at the 3, with Siakam and JJJ at the 4 and 5 backed up by Clarke and the MLE center. Maybe Memphis trades up in the draft with their 2 late first rounders to go after someone who can play the 3 pretty quickly, either via trade or by moving up to try to get Sochan or something.


Bane is not worth Siakam. Thats crazy talk
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Post#32 » by Colbinii » Thu May 5, 2022 3:37 am

Godaddycurse wrote:
Ell Curry wrote:
Troubadour wrote:Don't want the Raptors to trade Pascal, but if I'm a Grizzlies fan, I'm doing whatever I can to get Ja a second star. He's incredible. All Grizzlies need to get to that next level is a 3/4 wing who can defend, create for others and go get a bucket when they have to


In theory, something based around this is possible because the Grizzlies have so much cap space:

Raptors - Bane, 15-20M player to Raptors from team X
Grizzlies - Siakam
Team X - Steven Adams

and the Grizz sign a center for the full MLE and bring back Tyus Jones so he and Melton can be the 2nd and 3rd guards, along with lots of Dillon Brooks at the 2, as he splits time with Zaire at the 3, with Siakam and JJJ at the 4 and 5 backed up by Clarke and the MLE center. Maybe Memphis trades up in the draft with their 2 late first rounders to go after someone who can play the 3 pretty quickly, either via trade or by moving up to try to get Sochan or something.


Bane is not worth Siakam. Thats crazy talk


Neither team does it. Imagine having an 18/4/3, 23 year old wing with 2 years, 6 million left on contract and trading him for a fringe all-star.
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Post#33 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu May 5, 2022 3:39 am

Godaddycurse wrote:
Ell Curry wrote:
Troubadour wrote:Don't want the Raptors to trade Pascal, but if I'm a Grizzlies fan, I'm doing whatever I can to get Ja a second star. He's incredible. All Grizzlies need to get to that next level is a 3/4 wing who can defend, create for others and go get a bucket when they have to


In theory, something based around this is possible because the Grizzlies have so much cap space:

Raptors - Bane, 15-20M player to Raptors from team X
Grizzlies - Siakam
Team X - Steven Adams

and the Grizz sign a center for the full MLE and bring back Tyus Jones so he and Melton can be the 2nd and 3rd guards, along with lots of Dillon Brooks at the 2, as he splits time with Zaire at the 3, with Siakam and JJJ at the 4 and 5 backed up by Clarke and the MLE center. Maybe Memphis trades up in the draft with their 2 late first rounders to go after someone who can play the 3 pretty quickly, either via trade or by moving up to try to get Sochan or something.


Bane is not worth Siakam. Thats crazy talk


Adams routed to Indy with Ziaire Williams, and Indy sends Myles Turner to Toronto?
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Post#34 » by Godaddycurse » Thu May 5, 2022 3:49 am

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Neither team does it. Imagine having an 18/4/3, 23 year old wing with 2 years, 6 million left on contract and trading him for a fringe all-star.


He's likely making his 2nd all nba team. That's not a fringe all star :nonono:
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Post#35 » by zimpy27 » Thu May 5, 2022 3:52 am

Godaddycurse wrote:
Ell Curry wrote:
Troubadour wrote:Don't want the Raptors to trade Pascal, but if I'm a Grizzlies fan, I'm doing whatever I can to get Ja a second star. He's incredible. All Grizzlies need to get to that next level is a 3/4 wing who can defend, create for others and go get a bucket when they have to


In theory, something based around this is possible because the Grizzlies have so much cap space:

Raptors - Bane, 15-20M player to Raptors from team X
Grizzlies - Siakam
Team X - Steven Adams

and the Grizz sign a center for the full MLE and bring back Tyus Jones so he and Melton can be the 2nd and 3rd guards, along with lots of Dillon Brooks at the 2, as he splits time with Zaire at the 3, with Siakam and JJJ at the 4 and 5 backed up by Clarke and the MLE center. Maybe Memphis trades up in the draft with their 2 late first rounders to go after someone who can play the 3 pretty quickly, either via trade or by moving up to try to get Sochan or something.


Bane is not worth Siakam. Thats crazy talk


Hmm I do have Bane as being worth Siakam considering age and contract. Not as high on him? Not saying it's right direction for Raps but I can see it.
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Post#36 » by Godaddycurse » Thu May 5, 2022 3:58 am

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Hmm I do have Bane as being worth Siakam considering age and contract. Not as high on him? Not saying it's right direction for Raps but I can see it.


I dont see him as an all star, let alone all nba player. He's like a bigger Seth curry or more athletic joe harris/duncan robinson to me. Elite 3 pt specialist, who is passable on defense unlike the above 3. Valuable for sure, but not nearly enough for top 15-20 players in the league regardless of salary.
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Post#37 » by zimpy27 » Thu May 5, 2022 4:02 am

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Hmm I do have Bane as being worth Siakam considering age and contract. Not as high on him? Not saying it's right direction for Raps but I can see it.


I dont see him as an all star, let alone all nba player. He's like a bigger Seth curry or more athletic joe harris/duncan robinson to me. Elite 3 pt specialist, who is passable on defense unlike the above 3. Valuable for sure, but not nearly enough for top 15-20 players in the league regardless of salary.


You don't see Klay Thompson? I mean he's an elite 3 point sniper with size on defense. Klay was top 15 player for 2-3 years.

This is a comparison of stats between Bane this year at 23 and Klay when he was an All-star and All-NBA player at 24.
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Seems pretty similar to me. Defense is not counted for here but I'd say that they are similar.
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Post#38 » by Godaddycurse » Thu May 5, 2022 4:13 am

zimpy27 wrote:
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zimpy27 wrote:
Hmm I do have Bane as being worth Siakam considering age and contract. Not as high on him? Not saying it's right direction for Raps but I can see it.


I dont see him as an all star, let alone all nba player. He's like a bigger Seth curry or more athletic joe harris/duncan robinson to me. Elite 3 pt specialist, who is passable on defense unlike the above 3. Valuable for sure, but not nearly enough for top 15-20 players in the league regardless of salary.


You don't see Klay Thompson? I mean he's an elite 3 point sniper with size on defense. Klay was top 15 player for 2-3 years.

This is a comparison of stats between Bane this year at 23 and Klay when he was an All-star and All-NBA player at 24.
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Seems pretty similar to me. Defense is not counted for here but I'd say that they are similar.


I think klay is overrated and have these accolades because of the team success.. His TS that year was 59 percent. Seth Curry and joe harris shot lot more efficiently than both of them.
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Post#39 » by Troubadour » Thu May 5, 2022 5:00 am

Despite being very likely to make All-NBA Third team this season, it's Pascal is still really underrated. My post was more to describe the archetype of a player I felt would pair well with Ja Morant. If the Grizzlies could manage to get him for Bane and Williams, they should take that and run. I hope Masai wouldn't do that personally.
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Post#40 » by Devilanche » Thu May 5, 2022 5:47 am

I think a bane / siakam framework make sense in terms of value that once you added some pieces , it can be a trade that work for both side .

Unfortunately I think both side prefer their own player.
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