Tobias Harris Trade Thread

[mjkvol]

Just messing on the trade machine but lol

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y5osvhun

Make it happen, please.

[76ciology]

Tobias Harris’ 2022 postseason thus far:

8 GP
40.1 MPG
19.4 PPG
8.4 RPG
2.8 APG
1 SPG
1 BPG
1.6 TPG
53.6% FG (7.5 FGM/14 FGA)
41% 3PT (2 3PM/4.9 3PA)
86.4% FT
63.7 TS%

He’s averaging 24 PPG on 57.1% shooting vs. Miami. Playing the best basketball of his career.

[Murray_17]

Just messing on the trade machine but lol

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y5osvhun

Make it happen, please.

Not happening, ithink we should need to add a pick, at least.

But just showing we have some flexibility to get a guy if a team is interested in Matisse. Kork contract, i guess, was made as a salary filler and Danny is an expiring.

[elchengue20]

Tobias is our only player that plays better without Embiid than with Embiid.

It nearly tells you all you need to know about his fit here.

[SixthStreet]

Tobias Harris’ 2022 postseason thus far:

8 GP
40.1 MPG
19.4 PPG
8.4 RPG
2.8 APG
1 SPG
1 BPG
1.6 TPG
53.6% FG (7.5 FGM/14 FGA)
41% 3PT (2 3PM/4.9 3PA)
86.4% FT
63.7 TS%

He’s averaging 24 PPG on 57.1% shooting vs. Miami. Playing the best basketball of his career.

So the question is if there's a trade available do you think this is sustainable Tobias and pass on the deal? Brand traded for Tobias assuming he was getting the Clipper half season version who was firing on all cylinders. That didn't work out well. I'm looking at his playoff performance clear-eyed and skeptical. If some sucker wants to give value for him do it and don't even hesitate.

[mjkvol]

Tobias Harris’ 2022 postseason thus far:

8 GP
40.1 MPG
19.4 PPG
8.4 RPG
2.8 APG
1 SPG
1 BPG
1.6 TPG
53.6% FG (7.5 FGM/14 FGA)
41% 3PT (2 3PM/4.9 3PA)
86.4% FT
63.7 TS%

He’s averaging 24 PPG on 57.1% shooting vs. Miami. Playing the best basketball of his career.

At the very least we no longer have to salary dump him, and there might even be a team with assets we like that could be in the market for him (hello, Utah). Is one quarter of a season and a couple of playoff rounds enough to justify keeping him at that salary?

[elchengue20]

Yeah i think right now he may not be looked by other teams like dead money or a very bad contract. Hes been playing better and has only 2 years left.

We have to take advantage and trade him for better fits/assets.

I think Tobias ideal place in the league is in a Non-Playoff team that is looking for some scoring punch to take the next step.

Trading him to Sacramento for Harrison Barnes and maybe a pick is always the first realistic trade idea that comes to my mind.

[76ciology]

My point is not Tobi is untouchable.

My point is we need to re-evaluate Tobi’s value as a trade asset or if not as a trade asset, his role to the team.

We all want to just put 3&D guys around Embiid and Harden. Watching the playoffs now, is it enough?

Regarding Tobi’s defense, I think he is a bad to below average team defender. But he’s atleast average to above average man to man defender. Look at the playoffs, the defense is played differently that it can make a ATG caliber defensive player like Gobert a liability. In the playoffs, it’s less team defense and more man to man defense. And this explains why the sudden improvement on defense.

He did well on defense against Siakam
He is defending Jimmy this series (13/31 for last 2 games)
If we make it to next series, he’s gonna defend Tatum or Giannis.

As a trade asset, I’d take the Ben Simmons approach for Tobi. I wont be in a hurry to trade him. But im very much open to trade him if I can get a harden-ben type package.

Why hurry? His value is increasing. Not just because of his play but he’s gonna be an expiring contract after next season.

[elchengue20]

My point is not Tobi is untouchable.

My point is we need to re-evaluate Tobi’s value as a trade asset or if not as a trade asset, his role to the team.

We all want to just put 3&D guys around Embiid and Harden. Watching the playoffs now, is it enough?

Regarding Tobi’s defense, I think he is a bad to below average team defender. But he’s atleast average to above average man to man defender. Look at the playoffs, the defense is played differently that it can make a ATG caliber defensive player like Gobert a liability. In the playoffs, it’s less team defense and more man to man defense. And this explains why the sudden improvement on defense.

He did well on defense against Siakam
He is defending Jimmy this series (13/31 for last 2 games)
If we make it to next series, he’s gonna defend Tatum or Giannis.

As a trade asset, I’d take the Ben Simmons approach for Tobi. I wont be in a hurry to trade him. But im very much open to trade him if I can get a harden-ben type package.

Why hurry? His value is increasing. Not just because of his play but he’s gonna be an expiring contract after next season.

Im not really aware of our cap situation, but trading him also depends on how much flexibilty you can gain and what kind of players you can sign with that money. Harden's extension is also a factor.

[76ciology]

My point is not Tobi is untouchable.

My point is we need to re-evaluate Tobi’s value as a trade asset or if not as a trade asset, his role to the team.

We all want to just put 3&D guys around Embiid and Harden. Watching the playoffs now, is it enough?

Regarding Tobi’s defense, I think he is a bad to below average team defender. But he’s atleast average to above average man to man defender. Look at the playoffs, the defense is played differently that it can make a ATG caliber defensive player like Gobert a liability. In the playoffs, it’s less team defense and more man to man defense. And this explains why the sudden improvement on defense.

He did well on defense against Siakam
He is defending Jimmy this series (13/31 for last 2 games)
If we make it to next series, he’s gonna defend Tatum or Giannis.

As a trade asset, I’d take the Ben Simmons approach for Tobi. I wont be in a hurry to trade him. But im very much open to trade him if I can get a harden-ben type package.

Why hurry? His value is increasing. Not just because of his play but he’s gonna be an expiring contract after next season.

Im not really aware of our cap situation, but trading him also depends on how much flexibilty you can gain and what kind of players you can sign with that money. Harden's extension is also a factor.

If you can get a good player, sure. But this is Philly. You need to pay 30-40M to get a player as good as Al or Tobi.

What you dont want is clearing cap space and then hoping you sign someone as good as Tobi for $10-20M and they never come at all. And they’re likely (more than 50% chance I’d say) not going to come at all. Would getting another Niang and re-signing Drummond be worth it? A Reggie Bullock type signing?

If im trading Tobi, I want to get assurance (around 80% chance atleast) that I can get a better player in return. Someone like Jerami Grant or Porzingis perhaps (not implying i certainly want them).

Default is, im just holding Tobi. Wait for good offers and roll the dice if those offers dont come.

[Wilfried]

You hold on to Tobi and take him and his (shorter and shorter) contract while waiting for the next 'disgruntled' star to come available.

[elchengue20]

My point is not Tobi is untouchable.

My point is we need to re-evaluate Tobi’s value as a trade asset or if not as a trade asset, his role to the team.

We all want to just put 3&D guys around Embiid and Harden. Watching the playoffs now, is it enough?

Regarding Tobi’s defense, I think he is a bad to below average team defender. But he’s atleast average to above average man to man defender. Look at the playoffs, the defense is played differently that it can make a ATG caliber defensive player like Gobert a liability. In the playoffs, it’s less team defense and more man to man defense. And this explains why the sudden improvement on defense.

He did well on defense against Siakam
He is defending Jimmy this series (13/31 for last 2 games)
If we make it to next series, he’s gonna defend Tatum or Giannis.

As a trade asset, I’d take the Ben Simmons approach for Tobi. I wont be in a hurry to trade him. But im very much open to trade him if I can get a harden-ben type package.

Why hurry? His value is increasing. Not just because of his play but he’s gonna be an expiring contract after next season.

Im not really aware of our cap situation, but trading him also depends on how much flexibilty you can gain and what kind of players you can sign with that money. Harden's extension is also a factor.

If you can get a good player, sure. But this is Philly. You need to pay 30-40M to get a player as good as Al or Tobi.

What you dont want is clearing cap space and then hoping you sign someone as good as Tobi for $10-20M and they never come at all. And they’re likely (more than 50% chance I’d say) not going to come at all. Would getting another Niang and re-signing Drummond be worth it? A Reggie Bullock type signing?

If im trading Tobi, I want to get assurance (around 80% chance atleast) that I can get a better player in return. Someone like Jerami Grant or Porzingis perhaps (not implying i certainly want them).

Default is, im just holding Tobi. Wait for good offers and roll the dice if those offers dont come.

Of course not, you move him if by any combination of assets gained/flexibilty/players signed with that money, you end up with better players and better fits.


I woudnt move him right now just to get a Reggie Bullock calibeer of player.

[Kobblehead]

Coming off this playoff performance and being 1 year less on the books, Tobias Harris DEFINITELY improved his trade stock.

[sixers4real]

Right now I’m at the point of now it back with Embiid, Harden, Harris, Maxey and upgraded role players.

[Mik317]

he has played himself back into only trade for an upgrade status IMO.

Prior I was looking at dudes like Harrison Barnes and ****

[Murray_17]

Yeah, Tobias value increased but still will take at least one pick to trade him and we just don't have those.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I've always liked Harris since he's been here. It's not his fault he's getting paid like a superstar. I'll say this though, we seem to underrate him at times. He's the definition of a pro, consistent, we know what we're getting with him, and he's been incredibly durable. I personally wouldn't move him just to get Bradley Beal or some other punk ass player that can't stay healthy. He should still be available for the right return is all I'm saying. Who or what I'm not sure.

[76ciology]

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[the_process]

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[spikeslovechild]

Thybulle is an outright defensive liability. That's my opinion.

Jumping at everything and racking up blocks, steals and being in foul trouble by half time isn't a valuable skillset.

Springer is probably the most talented POA defensive player we have in the organization. Reed has potential. Embiid and Bassey are also very good defenders.

Harris -new wildcard. Harden is terrific as long as he isn't isolated on the perimeter. Moves his feet extremely well and is built like a truck. Green is fine. Maxey tries really hard. Niang.. also tries really hard but without Maxey's athleticism. Isaiah Joe really knows how to move his feet. He impresses me on that end, even though he's slight of frame. He also has an instinct for drawing charges which is cool. Korkmaz and Shake. Nothing to be said about those two.

Won't go that far. He's an awesome defender, but you're right he's overly aggressive leading to foul trouble. Plus his rebounding is atrocious.

Combine that w/his total lack of offensive ability, and he's definitely overrated and someone we should sell high on.

My issue with Thybulle is he really isn't smart about when to turn it up and off. If you are in the bonus fighting hard through screens to get your primary assignment just isn't smart basketball call a switch.

Part of that is on Doc though he needs to realize that we can't play Thybulle while we are already in the bonus because part of what makes him effective is his aggressiveness and that is going to lead to off the ball fouls at some point