College/Draft thread. Knicks Currently have Picks 12 and 45

[DOT]

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Complainers & whiners gonna be punching the air when this kid pans out if we didn’t pick him.

His game as described sounds eerily similar to IQ's....

People say that, but I don't think that's really true

Like, they have some similar weaknesses, like how they both struggle to get to and finish at the rim, but in terms of strengths, TyTy's biggest strength is his ability to pull up from mid, which Quick just doesn't have, and Quick has the pull up from 3 which TyTy, at least last year, doesn't have

He's more comparable to a smaller Dejounte Murray than Quick.

[TheGreenArrow]

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Yeah they must have deals lined up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hopefully it’s for Burks and Fournier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[thebuzzardman]

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Yeah they must have deals lined up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hopefully it’s for Burks and Fournier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or RJ and/or IQ

[WargamesX]

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Yeah they must have deals lined up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hopefully it’s for Burks and Fournier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or RJ and/or IQ

You’re reading into it too deeply. This draft lacks any real PG prospects, and both youth and talent wise the Knicks are good at PF and Center.

Randle/Obi
Mitch/Sim

Could potentially fill those spots for 3-5 years.

Looking at the wing over the next 3-5 year you only have Grimes, RJ, and Cam…. maybe IQ but I still think they are grooming him for PG. So if they want to make a draft investment a wing would be the move.

Then looking at the draft 11-12 odds are the BPA will be a wing.

One of Sochan, Dieng, Dyson, Davis, and Mathurin, maybe Brown or Eason will be the draft target. Most of them will be there when the Knicks draft.

[thebuzzardman]

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Yeah they must have deals lined up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hopefully it’s for Burks and Fournier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or RJ and/or IQ

You’re reading into it too deeply. This draft lacks any real PG prospects, and both youth and talent wise the Knicks are good at PF and Center.

Randle/Obi
Mitch/Sim

Could potentially fill those spots for 3-5 years.

Looking at the wing over the next 3-5 year you only have Grimes, RJ, and Cam…. maybe IQ but I still think they are grooming him for PG. So if they want to make a draft investment a wing would be the move.

Then looking at the draft 11-12 odds are the BPA will be a wing.

One of Sochan, Dieng, Dyson, Davis, and Mathurin, maybe Brown or Eason will be the draft target. Most of them will be there when the Knicks draft.

Knicks aren't bringing Mitch back. That's been obvious for at least 2 years.

[RHODEY]

Complainers & whiners gonna be punching the air when this kid pans out if we didn’t pick him.

His game as described sounds eerily similar to IQ's....

People say that, but I don't think that's really true

Like, they have some similar weaknesses, like how they both struggle to get to and finish at the rim, but in terms of strengths, TyTy's biggest strength is his ability to pull up from mid, which Quick just doesn't have, and Quick has the pull up from 3 which TyTy, at least last year, doesn't have

He's more comparable to a smaller Dejounte Murray than Quick.

Interesting....but does Dejounte have the same weakness? Struggling to get to and finish at the rim?

[RHODEY]

Yes he definitely intrigues me...

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I think you can get away with playing Sochan as a small-ball 5. That could really open things up allowing this team to feature a more modernized approach to the offense.

Yeah but thibs

Thing is he seems very much like a Thibs type player....other than the fact that he'd be a rook.

[DaGawd]

I think you can get away with playing Sochan as a small-ball 5. That could really open things up allowing this team to feature a more modernized approach to the offense.

Yeah but thibs

Thing is he seems very much like a Thibs type player....other than the fact that he'd be a rook.

I’m speaking on the point 2010 made about playing him as a small ball 5 and running a more modern style of play. He might fit that mold but it’s up to Thibs to get with the times and stop insisting on always having that rim protector/rim runner archetype man the 5 at all times

[RHODEY]

Yeah but thibs

Thing is he seems very much like a Thibs type player....other than the fact that he'd be a rook.

I’m speaking on the point 2010 made about playing him as a small ball 5 and running a more modern style of play. He might fit that mold but it’s up to Thibs to get with the times and stop insisting on always having that rim protector/rim runner archetype man the 5 at all times

Oh yeah, I hear you on that...But I hope Thibs will be under more pressure to adapt next season.

[RHODEY]

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[Nazrmohamed]

For me it's Dyson Daniels and then Sochan in that order. Mathurin is too much like reddish and smaller.

Daniels might be the best defender in this draft and also has legit size and PG skills.

He can't shoot though but I could still draft him on the other skills, especially if he's really 6'7-6'8

Thats what they said about LaMelo too. But if Daniels shot well we would have no shot at 11

True that. And people are taking notice. Some mocks have him now going ahead of our pick.

[Nazrmohamed]

Yeah but thibs

Thing is he seems very much like a Thibs type player....other than the fact that he'd be a rook.

I’m speaking on the point 2010 made about playing him as a small ball 5 and running a more modern style of play. He might fit that mold but it’s up to Thibs to get with the times and stop insisting on always having that rim protector/rim runner archetype man the 5 at all times

I like having a rim protecting 5. And I think as things get trendy we're sort of underappreciating the one we got. HOWEVER.....even now we could've always chosen not to go with Taj Gibson or Noel as the backup. We can both get what we want. Nobody is stopping Thibs from having his rim protector as the base of what he likes to do but sub in a small ball 5 regularly. What's stopping us from even now playing Randle at the 5 when Mitch needs rest, thus opening up additional minutes for Obi. There's your skilled C right there. There's your small ball right there.

We play big, then play big in the second unit, then play big in the 3rd unit. So then naturally you lash out against your starter who I'll remind everyone only plays 25minutes as a starter. And I'm sortve arguing 2 points with one stone here.
-solving for how I get a smaller, more offensively skilled and faster offense on the floor
-solving for more minutes for Obi.

I know this started by talking about Sochan but who knows if we'll take him. Could be Daniels. But rather than focus so much on how Mitch don't fit into the modern league or how Randle is blocking Obi, focus on why we got two backup C's making 20mil between them blocking all the minutes. Obis being blocked by a 37yr old most nights, not Julius.

[RHODEY]

Thing is he seems very much like a Thibs type player....other than the fact that he'd be a rook.

I’m speaking on the point 2010 made about playing him as a small ball 5 and running a more modern style of play. He might fit that mold but it’s up to Thibs to get with the times and stop insisting on always having that rim protector/rim runner archetype man the 5 at all times

I like having a rim protecting 5. And I think as things get trendy we're sort of underappreciating the one we got. HOWEVER.....even now we could've always chosen not to go with Taj Gibson or Noel as the backup. We can both get what we want. Nobody is stopping Thibs from having his rim protector as the base of what he likes to do but sub in a small ball 5 regularly. What's stopping us from even now playing Randle at the 5 when Mitch needs rest, thus opening up additional minutes for Obi. There's your skilled C right there. There's your small ball right there.

We play big, then play big in the second unit, then play big in the 3rd unit. So then naturally you lash out against your starter who I'll remind everyone only plays 25minutes as a starter. And I'm sortve arguing 2 points with one stone here.
-solving for how I get a smaller, more offensively skilled and faster offense on the floor
-solving for more minutes for Obi.

I know this started by talking about Sochan but who knows if we'll take him. Could be Daniels. But rather than focus so much on how Mitch don't fit into the modern league or how Randle is blocking Obi, focus on why we got two backup C's making 20mil between them blocking all the minutes. Obis being blocked by a 37yr old most nights, not Julius.

Me too but Mitch is likely a goner. So we need to plan post Mitch. As far as Taj blocking Obi...well I guess you can see it that way., but Randle needs to go period.

[8516knicks]

Thing is he seems very much like a Thibs type player....other than the fact that he'd be a rook.

I’m speaking on the point 2010 made about playing him as a small ball 5 and running a more modern style of play. He might fit that mold but it’s up to Thibs to get with the times and stop insisting on always having that rim protector/rim runner archetype man the 5 at all times

I like having a rim protecting 5. And I think as things get trendy we're sort of underappreciating the one we got. HOWEVER.....even now we could've always chosen not to go with Taj Gibson or Noel as the backup. We can both get what we want. Nobody is stopping Thibs from having his rim protector as the base of what he likes to do but sub in a small ball 5 regularly. What's stopping us from even now playing Randle at the 5 when Mitch needs rest, thus opening up additional minutes for Obi. There's your skilled C right there. There's your small ball right there.

We play big, then play big in the second unit, then play big in the 3rd unit. So then naturally you lash out against your starter who I'll remind everyone only plays 25minutes as a starter. And I'm sortve arguing 2 points with one stone here.
-solving for how I get a smaller, more offensively skilled and faster offense on the floor
-solving for more minutes for Obi.

I know this started by talking about Sochan but who knows if we'll take him. Could be Daniels. But rather than focus so much on how Mitch don't fit into the modern league or how Randle is blocking Obi, focus on why we got two backup C's making 20mil between them blocking all the minutes. Obis being blocked by a 37yr old most nights, not Julius.

We have FOUR non-shooting centers! How about stretch 4 or 5 (or both)>>??>

[Jeffrey]

I wouldn’t be mad at Sochan.

Yes he definitely intrigues me...

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Based on The Ringer's draft guide, he is currently ranked 8th.

So let me get this straight. Great defender, ball-handler but limited offense. This sounds like someone we drafted a few years ago?!

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

[thebuzzardman]

I wouldn’t be mad at Sochan.

Yes he definitely intrigues me...

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Based on The Ringer's draft guide, he is currently ranked 8th.

So let me get this straight. Great defender, ball-handler but limited offense. This sounds like someone we drafted a few years ago?!

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

Lance Thomas?

[nyk2017]

I wouldn’t be mad at Sochan.

Yes he definitely intrigues me...

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Based on The Ringer's draft guide, he is currently ranked 8th.

So let me get this straight. Great defender, ball-handler but limited offense. This sounds like someone we drafted a few years ago?!

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

They compared Paolo Banchero to Julius Randle... Yikes!!!
They also compared Tyty to Quickley

[Nazrmohamed]

I’m speaking on the point 2010 made about playing him as a small ball 5 and running a more modern style of play. He might fit that mold but it’s up to Thibs to get with the times and stop insisting on always having that rim protector/rim runner archetype man the 5 at all times

I like having a rim protecting 5. And I think as things get trendy we're sort of underappreciating the one we got. HOWEVER.....even now we could've always chosen not to go with Taj Gibson or Noel as the backup. We can both get what we want. Nobody is stopping Thibs from having his rim protector as the base of what he likes to do but sub in a small ball 5 regularly. What's stopping us from even now playing Randle at the 5 when Mitch needs rest, thus opening up additional minutes for Obi. There's your skilled C right there. There's your small ball right there.

We play big, then play big in the second unit, then play big in the 3rd unit. So then naturally you lash out against your starter who I'll remind everyone only plays 25minutes as a starter. And I'm sortve arguing 2 points with one stone here.
-solving for how I get a smaller, more offensively skilled and faster offense on the floor
-solving for more minutes for Obi.

I know this started by talking about Sochan but who knows if we'll take him. Could be Daniels. But rather than focus so much on how Mitch don't fit into the modern league or how Randle is blocking Obi, focus on why we got two backup C's making 20mil between them blocking all the minutes. Obis being blocked by a 37yr old most nights, not Julius.

We have FOUR non-shooting centers! How about stretch 4 or 5 (or both)>>??>

Nah but that's exactly what I'm saying. Mitch plays 25 minutes. That's one minute less than half the game. There's plenty of time beyond that to play a stretch 5 or 4 and you could accomplish that with Randle and Toppin. We ALWAYS COULDVE accomplished that with Randle and Toppin....playing together that is. It's just that Thibs don't gaf what you like or don't like or playing this modern day lineup. In fact he already probably feels he's playing small as 10 yrs ago Taj was a PF, so take that haters ( I'm just imagining how he feels). But still, we don't have to get rid of Mitch or Randle to accomplish your small ball, stretch options. You just gotta change the rotation.

But in any case there are guys we could pick up for that role. We actually had Bobby Portis and let him go just before Thibs got here. Nobody here appreciated Bobby

[Nazrmohamed]

I’m speaking on the point 2010 made about playing him as a small ball 5 and running a more modern style of play. He might fit that mold but it’s up to Thibs to get with the times and stop insisting on always having that rim protector/rim runner archetype man the 5 at all times

I like having a rim protecting 5. And I think as things get trendy we're sort of underappreciating the one we got. HOWEVER.....even now we could've always chosen not to go with Taj Gibson or Noel as the backup. We can both get what we want. Nobody is stopping Thibs from having his rim protector as the base of what he likes to do but sub in a small ball 5 regularly. What's stopping us from even now playing Randle at the 5 when Mitch needs rest, thus opening up additional minutes for Obi. There's your skilled C right there. There's your small ball right there.

We play big, then play big in the second unit, then play big in the 3rd unit. So then naturally you lash out against your starter who I'll remind everyone only plays 25minutes as a starter. And I'm sortve arguing 2 points with one stone here.
-solving for how I get a smaller, more offensively skilled and faster offense on the floor
-solving for more minutes for Obi.

I know this started by talking about Sochan but who knows if we'll take him. Could be Daniels. But rather than focus so much on how Mitch don't fit into the modern league or how Randle is blocking Obi, focus on why we got two backup C's making 20mil between them blocking all the minutes. Obis being blocked by a 37yr old most nights, not Julius.

Me too but Mitch is likely a goner. So we need to plan post Mitch. As far as Taj blocking Obi...well I guess you can see it that way., but Randle needs to go period.

Can't argue with that. I hope we can work things out with Mitch but am prepared to not get my wish and I'm fine trading Randle. I'm just saying there's more than one way to skin a cat and they shouldn't have ever been the reason Obi didn't play. Obi didn't play because Thibs didn't want him to play. It's as simple as that.

Also Obi just wasn't good. I know everybody high on that last 5 games but most this board thought he was a bust outside those 5 games. It was fun though and I was happy for him.

[robillionaire]

I like having a rim protecting 5. And I think as things get trendy we're sort of underappreciating the one we got. HOWEVER.....even now we could've always chosen not to go with Taj Gibson or Noel as the backup. We can both get what we want. Nobody is stopping Thibs from having his rim protector as the base of what he likes to do but sub in a small ball 5 regularly. What's stopping us from even now playing Randle at the 5 when Mitch needs rest, thus opening up additional minutes for Obi. There's your skilled C right there. There's your small ball right there.

We play big, then play big in the second unit, then play big in the 3rd unit. So then naturally you lash out against your starter who I'll remind everyone only plays 25minutes as a starter. And I'm sortve arguing 2 points with one stone here.
-solving for how I get a smaller, more offensively skilled and faster offense on the floor
-solving for more minutes for Obi.

I know this started by talking about Sochan but who knows if we'll take him. Could be Daniels. But rather than focus so much on how Mitch don't fit into the modern league or how Randle is blocking Obi, focus on why we got two backup C's making 20mil between them blocking all the minutes. Obis being blocked by a 37yr old most nights, not Julius.

Me too but Mitch is likely a goner. So we need to plan post Mitch. As far as Taj blocking Obi...well I guess you can see it that way., but Randle needs to go period.

Can't argue with that. I hope we can work things out with Mitch but am prepared to not get my wish and I'm fine trading Randle. I'm just saying there's more than one way to skin a cat and they shouldn't have ever been the reason Obi didn't play. Obi didn't play because Thibs didn't want him to play. It's as simple as that.

Also Obi just wasn't good. I know everybody high on that last 5 games but most this board thought he was a bust outside those 5 games. It was fun though and I was happy for him.

And if we are being honest those last 5 games were glorified summer league games, and he was good in the summer league. We know he can play well against weak competition but he still has a lot to prove. IQ was looking like a hall of fame bound PG in those games too