2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

[Madhouse]

I would like to explore trading Fred. My only issue with keeping him is I completely buy into the magic Johnson comparisons for Scottie. I feel like if we keep Fred, he will hold
Scottie back by insisting he run the offense and be the primary ball handler. And off ball SG Fred would be fine but I think his ego wouldn’t allow that cause he was waiting for Kyle to leave to take the reigns as the new Kyle. Fred to the knicks is interesting. I think we can get their center and their pick from them.

Fred deferred to Scottie exactly as often as nick nurse and Masai wanted him to.

We should be giving Fred, pascal and birch a pat on the back back for EXCEPTIONAL veteran leadership as well as the nurturing environment AND most IMPORTANTLY the insulation they provided our prized rookie.

Kid won rookie of the year as our 5th option on a team that almost had home court advantage. That unbelievably HUGE for his development. Waaaay more so then him getting an extra 1.25 assists per game and losing 10+ extra games.

eh, rather give him more responsibilities and win less games.

Winning 15-30 games didn't stop Giannis, KD, Doncic, Lebron etc. from becoming great.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Is Nurkic an option for us? Also, are we locked into GTJ? Who would you say are the true core pieces, and who would you not be surprised to see move on?

For me, I think the obvious core are Pascal and Scottie. The fact that Masai was enamored with Precious makes me think he is too, although I'm not ecstatic thinking about him as our starting Centre of the future (I think he's more of a 3/4). And I also feel like GTJ and FVV are potential movers. I love where GTJ is and I think it would be a mistake to move him, but Masai has forgotten more than I know. I also love FVV and think injuries screwed him last year, but I also think he's better suited off the bench.

[agkagk]

Is Nurkic an option for us? Also, are we locked into GTJ? Who would you say are the true core pieces, and who would you not be surprised to see move on?

For me, I think the obvious core are Pascal and Scottie. The fact that Masai was enamored with Precious makes me think he is too, although I'm not ecstatic thinking about him as our starting Centre of the future (I think he's more of a 3/4). And I also feel like GTJ and FVV are potential movers. I love where GTJ is and I think it would be a mistake to move him, but Masai has forgotten more than I know. I also love FVV and think injuries screwed him last year, but I also think he's better suited off the bench.

Not an unfair opinion. Cheers on that.

I’ve watched the game since the 90es. I’m of the opinion the best way to become a great player is to be surrounded by them.

Losing breeds losing habits.

For all the people carrying magic Johnson expectation; magic went to the finals his rookie year. He was also the Lakers fifth option going into said finals.

Scottie isn’t luka or lebron or even ja morant. Giannis took 4 years to become great and his team took almost double that time.

Just win as often as possible and let the pieces fall where they may.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Throwing out some ideas
** I can't remember, for S&T can you combine salaries or is it only one for one?

S&T Lavine for GTJ + 1st + fillers
OG for Turner

FVV
Lavine
SB
PS
Turner

Could be an interesting team

I stop at LaVine for GTJ deal (which Chicago would say no).

VanVleet/LaVine/Barnes/OG/Pascal is an excellent starting five. Only thing that team doesn't have is size to match up with bigger centers. I get you wanted Turner but I rather have OG TBH.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Spoiler:

Slow Friday, let's do this

I wonder if there's a way for us to trade into the top 6 - 11 of this draft and grab someone like Shaedon Sharp. Him, Barnes, and Achuiwa as our cornerstones would be fun to watch. We'd have our own big three in the works. Sharp is that scorer we desperately need and I think he'd fit really well with Barnes.

So the question is, is there anyone in the top 6 -11 who would be willing to make a trade. Let's see...

Rockets - they're dog water so there's no way they are trading this pick

Magic - see above

Pistons - see above

Thunder - only want prospects and picks so probably not

Pacers - seem to be committed to the rebuild so likely not

Trailblazers - this interests me. Lillard is representing them at the draft so that relationship must be still going strong. They stripped their core at the deadline and fully tanked. However I doubt they're willing to waste Lillards prime by being terrible the next few years. They're going to be looking for a "win now" kind of player. They already have Lillard and Simons so FVV is off the table. Is OG a big enough prize for them? Elite defensively and can carry a decent load on offence?

The player they'd most likely ask for is Siakam. Trading Siakam means we've committed to the youth movement and are looking at more of a rebuild as opposed to a retool. Would I trade Siakam for Sharpe (and whatever fillers are needed for $$$), not sure. Would you guys make that move?

Kings - interesting team. They seem to be tired of being terrible (ie the Haliburton for Sabonis trade). I could see them moving this pick for and OG or an FVV level player. I'd definitely consider this if available.

Pelicans (via lakers) - Similar thought to the Kings. They traded for McCollum at the deadline which tells me that they're ready to not be terrible. They're PG position is pretty darn weak. I could see a FVV for Graham + this pick being tolerable.

Spurs - they seem to be comfortable with their youth movement. I'd be really surprised to see them move their pick

Wizards - Traded for KP to pair with Beal. Similar to Kings/Pelicans, I can see them looking to upgrade their roster to try and get back into the playoffs. Either OG or FVV would fit decently on their roster. Something I'd consider

Knicks - The rumours are already swirling this the Knicks want to make some moves. Similar to the teams noted above, I can see them moving this pick for win now player.


Have a good weekend everyone

I've been saying for a few months that they should be targeting Sharpe with a pick between 6 and 10. Not sure he'll be available there, but Sacramento and New Orleans present the most likely trade partners.

I think Raptors management is committed to keeping Siakam, Barnes, OG, FVV and Precious. I don't see any of them getting moved for mid/late lotto pick. That leaves Trent as the main piece being dealt. Can a deal be built around Trent + future pick(s) for the 8th pick + bad contracts/filler? Trent's contract lowers his value, but he's young enough to still have major upside as a starter/6th man.

Trade 1
To Toronto: Holmes + Harkless + Sharpe (SAC 2022 pick)
To Sacramento: Trent Jr. + Flynn + Birch + TOR 2024 1st round pick

Trade 2
To Toronto: Graham + Temple + Sharpe (SAC 2022 pick)
To New Orleans: Trent Jr. + Flynn + TOR 2024 1st round pick

These may need to be tweaked with more value added from Toronto, but Trent fits well on both teams.

The Raptors re-sign Boucher & Young. Use the MLE a rotation player.

Starters: Barnes - Vanvleet - Anunoby - Siakam - Achiuwa
Rotation: Boucher - Young - Sharpe - MLE - (Holmes or Graham)
Development: Banton - Brooks - Johnson - Champagnie - 2022 2nd round pick

Sacramento with Trent.

Fox
Mitchell
Trent
Barnes
Sabonis

New Orleans with Trent.

McCollum
Ingram
Jones
Zion
Valanciunas

6th man - Trent

Is the Holmes domestic issues settled? Idk if he would be legally allowed to enter Canada with that looming. I easily take Sacramentos deal first, getting Holmes helps out more and I am sure Toronto could get a guard like Wright, Tyus Jones, Connaughton, Dante DiVincenzo or Milton look like good backup guard options.

[wegotthabeet]

Spoiler:

Slow Friday, let's do this

I wonder if there's a way for us to trade into the top 6 - 11 of this draft and grab someone like Shaedon Sharp. Him, Barnes, and Achuiwa as our cornerstones would be fun to watch. We'd have our own big three in the works. Sharp is that scorer we desperately need and I think he'd fit really well with Barnes.

So the question is, is there anyone in the top 6 -11 who would be willing to make a trade. Let's see...

Rockets - they're dog water so there's no way they are trading this pick

Magic - see above

Pistons - see above

Thunder - only want prospects and picks so probably not

Pacers - seem to be committed to the rebuild so likely not

Trailblazers - this interests me. Lillard is representing them at the draft so that relationship must be still going strong. They stripped their core at the deadline and fully tanked. However I doubt they're willing to waste Lillards prime by being terrible the next few years. They're going to be looking for a "win now" kind of player. They already have Lillard and Simons so FVV is off the table. Is OG a big enough prize for them? Elite defensively and can carry a decent load on offence?

The player they'd most likely ask for is Siakam. Trading Siakam means we've committed to the youth movement and are looking at more of a rebuild as opposed to a retool. Would I trade Siakam for Sharpe (and whatever fillers are needed for $$$), not sure. Would you guys make that move?

Kings - interesting team. They seem to be tired of being terrible (ie the Haliburton for Sabonis trade). I could see them moving this pick for and OG or an FVV level player. I'd definitely consider this if available.

Pelicans (via lakers) - Similar thought to the Kings. They traded for McCollum at the deadline which tells me that they're ready to not be terrible. They're PG position is pretty darn weak. I could see a FVV for Graham + this pick being tolerable.

Spurs - they seem to be comfortable with their youth movement. I'd be really surprised to see them move their pick

Wizards - Traded for KP to pair with Beal. Similar to Kings/Pelicans, I can see them looking to upgrade their roster to try and get back into the playoffs. Either OG or FVV would fit decently on their roster. Something I'd consider

Knicks - The rumours are already swirling this the Knicks want to make some moves. Similar to the teams noted above, I can see them moving this pick for win now player.


Have a good weekend everyone

I've been saying for a few months that they should be targeting Sharpe with a pick between 6 and 10. Not sure he'll be available there, but Sacramento and New Orleans present the most likely trade partners.

I think Raptors management is committed to keeping Siakam, Barnes, OG, FVV and Precious. I don't see any of them getting moved for mid/late lotto pick. That leaves Trent as the main piece being dealt. Can a deal be built around Trent + future pick(s) for the 8th pick + bad contracts/filler? Trent's contract lowers his value, but he's young enough to still have major upside as a starter/6th man.

Trade 1
To Toronto: Holmes + Harkless + Sharpe (SAC 2022 pick)
To Sacramento: Trent Jr. + Flynn + Birch + TOR 2024 1st round pick

Trade 2
To Toronto: Graham + Temple + Sharpe (SAC 2022 pick)
To New Orleans: Trent Jr. + Flynn + TOR 2024 1st round pick

These may need to be tweaked with more value added from Toronto, but Trent fits well on both teams.

The Raptors re-sign Boucher & Young. Use the MLE a rotation player.

Starters: Barnes - Vanvleet - Anunoby - Siakam - Achiuwa
Rotation: Boucher - Young - Sharpe - MLE - (Holmes or Graham)
Development: Banton - Brooks - Johnson - Champagnie - 2022 2nd round pick

Sacramento with Trent.

Fox
Mitchell
Trent
Barnes
Sabonis

New Orleans with Trent.

McCollum
Ingram
Jones
Zion
Valanciunas

6th man - Trent

Is the Holmes domestic issues settled? Idk if he would be legally allowed to enter Canada with that looming. I easily take Sacramentos deal first, getting Holmes helps out more and I am sure Toronto could get a guard like Wright, Tyus Jones, Connaughton, Dante DiVincenzo or Milton look like good backup guard options.

yes it's settled. he has sole physical and sole legal custody.

[WaltFrazier]

Is Nurkic an option for us? Also, are we locked into GTJ? Who would you say are the true core pieces, and who would you not be surprised to see move on?

For me, I think the obvious core are Pascal and Scottie. The fact that Masai was enamored with Precious makes me think he is too, although I'm not ecstatic thinking about him as our starting Centre of the future (I think he's more of a 3/4). And I also feel like GTJ and FVV are potential movers. I love where GTJ is and I think it would be a mistake to move him, but Masai has forgotten more than I know. I also love FVV and think injuries screwed him last year, but I also think he's better suited off the bench.

Not an unfair opinion. Cheers on that.

I’ve watched the game since the 90es. I’m of the opinion the best way to become a great player is to be surrounded by them.

Losing breeds losing habits.

For all the people carrying magic Johnson expectation; magic went to the finals his rookie year. He was also the Lakers fifth option going into said finals.

Scottie isn’t luka or lebron or even ja morant. Giannis took 4 years to become great and his team took almost double that time.

Just win as often as possible and let the pieces fall where they may.

Just a note, Magic was not the fifth option on the 80 Lakers. He was 3rd leading scorer behind Kareem and Wilkes, just a hair ahead of Norm Nixon. Kareem got 25 ppg, Wilkes 20, Magic 18 and Nixon 17.6. Fifth starter Jim Chones had 10 ppg. More importantly Magic was such a playmaker you don't think of him in terms of what # option he was.

[DreamTeam09]

My offseason plan

Birch + Flynn + Svi for Holmes

Draft the best wing available at 33

Bring Boucher back for 2yrs 22-24
Thad at under 2yrs 8mill

Full MLE to Garry Harris

Bae to Delon Wright

Bring back Jalen Harris + Yuta

Champagne 2way

New roster

FVV / Banton /
Trent / Delon / J.Harris
OG / Garry Harris / Yuta / #33
Barnes / Boucher / Thad
Pascal / Precious / Holmes

Incoming - Garry Harris + Delon + Holmes + #33
Outgoing - Birch + Flynn + Svi

[HumbleRen]

how do we get Ayton

[TheRaptor!]

My offseason plan

Birch + Flynn + Svi for Holmes

Draft the best wing available at 33

Bring Boucher back for 2yrs 22-24
Thad at under 2yrs 8mill

Full MLE to Garry Harris

Bae to Delon Wright

Bring back Jalen Harris + Yuta

Champagne 2way

New roster

FVV / Banton /
Trent / Delon / J.Harris
OG / Garry Harris / Yuta / #33
Barnes / Boucher / Thad
Pascal / Precious / Holmes

Incoming - Garry Harris + Delon + Holmes + #33
Outgoing - Birch + Flynn + Svi

literally makes 0 difference

[TheRaptor!]

how do we get Ayton

prob OG.

Which id do TBH..

[tripa]

Going after Ayton would make a lot of sense this offseason

[wayoftheroad]

OG for Ayton.

[Jadoogar]

Suns' comments on Ayton are very concerning. Raptors gotta go very hard after Ayton this summer.

[720]

Get Ayton

Not for OG though. Give them Fred or something. We can trade for / sign shooters

[rapluva]

how do we get Ayton

prob OG.

Which id do TBH..

Ayton is going to get the max..he won't be available

[rapluva]

I like Garry Harris... Shake Melton.. Holmes..How about a guy like Jalen Smith.. played backup 4-5 as a young up and coming player...got traded to the Pacers..is a free agent..someone that can become something on our team.

[Bruin]

how do we get Ayton

prob OG.

Which id do TBH..

Ayton is going to get the max..he won't be available

Who tf is giving him the max lmao. Suns didn’t wanna give it to him last offseason. highly doubt they wanna give it to him now

[720]

prob OG.

Which id do TBH..

Ayton is going to get the max..he won't be available

Who tf is giving him the max lmao. Suns didn’t wanna give it to him last offseason. highly doubt they wanna give it to him now

He’ll ask for it, if they say no he might then request a trade. In that case it would be even better for us leverage wise in trade talks.

[Bruin]

Ayton is going to get the max..he won't be available

Who tf is giving him the max lmao. Suns didn’t wanna give it to him last offseason. highly doubt they wanna give it to him now

He might ask for it, if they say no he might request a trade. In that case it would be even better for us leverage wise in trade talks.

Honestly with the comments that are coming out after their loss right now I have a hard time seeing him returning to Phoenix. Should be an interesting offseason for the Suns

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