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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4941 » by Gooner » Mon May 16, 2022 7:14 am

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Gooner wrote:Bucks were just outclassed and Giannis couldn't do nothing about it. Great players have to take over these games and he can't do it consistently due to his limited skillset.

Giannis had three 40+ games in that series...

Legacy damaging loss for CP, I know people love him on this board. It's hard to defend this. It shows once again the difference between a champion and someone who is just a great player, and please don't put CP ahead of great players who have the ring.

Legacy damaging game for 37 years old midget? I guess 1992 series was legacy damaging for Isiah Thomas, as he was only 33...


Giannis was still relatively inefficient in this series and Celtics dominated them when it matterd the most. Last 2 games they won convincingly, and this one was an epic blowout.

I don't like age excuses for a player like CP who has still been playing so well throughout the season, and his team aswell. If you are still great then you have to be great when it matters. In today's sport in general you see plenty of people playing great in mid to late 30's. Age excuse for CP doesn't apply imo. He was great in previous series, surely he didn't age so much in 2 weeks. Like I said, there is a difference between champions and the rest.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4942 » by Gooner » Mon May 16, 2022 7:18 am

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Gooner wrote:Great job Boston. This is one of the best playoffs I've seen in recent years. Proper teams are winning. Bucks were just outclassed and Giannis couldn't do nothing about it. Great players have to take over these games and he can't do it consistently due to his limited skillset. Boston is a team with no significat weakness and they deserved to go through.

Legacy damaging loss for CP, I know people love him on this board. It's hard to defend this. It shows once again the difference between a champion and someone who is just a great player, and please don't put CP ahead of great players who have the ring.

I believe that Warriors know how to handle Luka and the Mavs. They are still a team to beat.


giannis was missing point blank layups in the 4th quarter that he makes on any other day. he just had a bad game, has nothing to do with his limited skillset. sure there are skills that he lacks but he lacked those same skills when he was dropping dominant 40 burgers on the same celtics defense


Well, if he is missing point blank layups that's unacceptable because he is certainly not gonna make a bunch of outside shots. He was missing those layups in critical moments when his team looked to stay connected. Poor performance in a game 7, you have to admit.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4943 » by jalengreen » Mon May 16, 2022 7:28 am

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Gooner wrote:Great job Boston. This is one of the best playoffs I've seen in recent years. Proper teams are winning. Bucks were just outclassed and Giannis couldn't do nothing about it. Great players have to take over these games and he can't do it consistently due to his limited skillset. Boston is a team with no significat weakness and they deserved to go through.

Legacy damaging loss for CP, I know people love him on this board. It's hard to defend this. It shows once again the difference between a champion and someone who is just a great player, and please don't put CP ahead of great players who have the ring.

I believe that Warriors know how to handle Luka and the Mavs. They are still a team to beat.


giannis was missing point blank layups in the 4th quarter that he makes on any other day. he just had a bad game, has nothing to do with his limited skillset. sure there are skills that he lacks but he lacked those same skills when he was dropping dominant 40 burgers on the same celtics defense


Well, if he is missing point blank layups that's unacceptable because he is certainly not gonna make a bunch of outside shots. He was missing those layups in critical moments when his team looked to stay connected. Poor performance in a game 7, you have to admit.


it was certainly a poor performance, there is no denying that. i just don't think it's indicative of his skillset because he had some great performances in the series against the same defense.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4944 » by 70sFan » Mon May 16, 2022 7:57 am

Gooner wrote:Giannis was still relatively inefficient in this series and Celtics dominated them when it matterd the most. Last 2 games they won convincingly, and this one was an epic blowout.

Have you watched game 6? Giannis did everything he could to win the series. This performance should be enough to win the game, but the rest of Bucks underperformed by ridiculous degree.

Game 7 is bad performance for Giannis, but he shouldn't need that game after his historic game 6 performance.

I don't like age excuses for a player like CP who has still been playing so well throughout the season, and his team aswell. If you are still great then you have to be great when it matters. In today's sport in general you see plenty of people playing great in mid to late 30's. Age excuse for CP doesn't apply imo. He was great in previous series, surely he didn't age so much in 2 weeks. Like I said, there is a difference between champions and the rest.

I don't see anyone playing great in the playoffs at Paul's age.

The difference between champions like Thomas and the rest like Paul is that Thomas retired at the age of 33 because he was done.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4945 » by WestGOAT » Mon May 16, 2022 8:01 am

How badly has Devin's Booker legacy been affected by this game 7? The guy is supposed to be in his prime, I'm genuinely shocked.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4946 » by Gooner » Mon May 16, 2022 8:05 am

Giannis is great in the open court. When the game slows down and his team is under pressure, he throws so many wild shots like he did yesterday. Celtics had him right where they wanted him. I don't even want to go any further about Giannis because I've explained so many times why I'm not so impressed with him as a player.

The difference between Thomas and Paul is that one has a ring. Magic Johnson retired at 32, that doesn't make Paul greater player historically than him. Isiah had a lot of injuries that stopped him. It has to be considered that he played in a more physical era.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4947 » by Jaivl » Mon May 16, 2022 8:06 am

WestGOAT wrote:How badly has Devin's Booker legacy been affected by this game 7? The guy is supposed to be in his prime, I'm genuinely shocked.

It hasn't. Wasn't top 15 in the league before, still isn't now (same with Paul).
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4948 » by 70sFan » Mon May 16, 2022 8:26 am

Gooner wrote:Giannis is great in the open court. When the game slows down and his team is under pressure, he throws so many wild shots like he did yesterday. Celtics had him right where they wanted him. I don't even want to go any further about Giannis because I've explained so many times why I'm not so impressed with him as a player.

They also had him right where they wanted in game 6 when he scored 44... sure thing.

The difference between Thomas and Paul is that one has a ring. Magic Johnson retired at 32, that doesn't make Paul greater player historically than him. Isiah had a lot of injuries that stopped him. It has to be considered that he played in a more physical era.

Magic is in a different class to Thomas, so using him is a moot point.

Thomas has a ring in 1989 against possibly the weakest competition of all time. They faced Celtics without their best player (Bird), Bucks without their two best players (Cummings and Pressey) and Lakers without their starter and with their best player missing the half of the series (Magic and Scott).

That makes him better than Paul? Seriously?
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4949 » by GSP » Mon May 16, 2022 9:01 am

WestGOAT wrote:How badly has Devin's Booker legacy been affected by this game 7? The guy is supposed to be in his prime, I'm genuinely shocked.


By casuals and media who thought he was superstar level or a real Mvp candidate this series and last 2 games SEVERELY damaged his legacy and rep. But once they realize he isn't and won't ever be a superstar just a decent star they'll probably just forget
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4950 » by Orin » Mon May 16, 2022 9:39 am

With all this talk about the Sun's always facing injured team, no one mentioned Hardaway missing for the Mavs lol. Is he really that insignificant for them? I remember him playing quite well last year against the Clippers.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4951 » by RCM88x » Mon May 16, 2022 11:58 am

Orin wrote:With all this talk about the Sun's always facing injured team, no one mentioned Hardaway missing for the Mavs lol. Is he really that insignificant for them? I remember him playing quite well last year against the Clippers.


I was thinking about this yesterday as well. Seems that with Dinwiddie he has kind of become irrelevant, as they both basically fill the same role in theory and Dinwiddie has done is just as well if not better. Having THJ in there would probably just muck up the minutes. THJs weakness as a defender hurts a lot of his value as an off-ball player too if he's not shooting at 40% from 3 which he didn't at any point this year.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4952 » by Homer38 » Mon May 16, 2022 1:16 pm

It w legendary effort by Giannis against this great Celtics defence despite the results.He show a lot of heart in this series,very similar to LeBron in 2015 vs warriors.If you can’t appreciate his greatness this is your problem
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4953 » by MartinToVaught » Mon May 16, 2022 1:26 pm

Orin wrote:With all this talk about the Sun's always facing injured team, no one mentioned Hardaway missing for the Mavs lol. Is he really that insignificant for them? I remember him playing quite well last year against the Clippers.

They're better without him. The problem is that anything he does on offense, he gives it all back on defense and then some.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4954 » by Dr Positivity » Mon May 16, 2022 3:44 pm

Going with BOS/GSW finals

Mavs should turn into a pumpkin against the Warriors who bring a more talented version of the 3pt shooting game, and Warriors rebounding if they keep it up could destroy them.

Celtics are simply playing like the best team right now and coming off the highest played series, the Heat do a lot of the same things well in defense and finding 3s but it feels to me like when Celtics are locked in they reach a higher level.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4955 » by Outside » Mon May 16, 2022 3:57 pm

I'm totally surprised, almost shocked, by the Suns falling apart like this. I thought they had great chemistry, quality defense, a diverse offense, depth, coaching, everything. I thought letting the Pelicans extend that series to six was them having a slow start to the PS, not getting motivated for a lesser opponent, but apparently it was a sign of what was to come.

Is Dallas really that good? What happened to the Suns defense? They couldn't take away Luka, and the couldn't take away the others. On a heliocentric team, opponents usually do one or the other, but they couldn't take away either.
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Post#4956 » by Homer38 » Mon May 16, 2022 3:58 pm

My concern with the Celtics is maybe they will run out the gas after the series vs MIL
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Post#4957 » by parsnips33 » Mon May 16, 2022 3:58 pm

This would definitely be a series we'd want to have Payton and Iguodala. Hopefully OPJ will be good to go, but who knows with him. This is the danger of the Warriors "now & later" approach. We've got GP, Andre, and OPJ injured and Wiseman, Moody, and Kuminga either can't or won't be played. That's almost half the roster right there
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Post#4958 » by falcolombardi » Mon May 16, 2022 4:06 pm

i see people with anti giannis agendas are going all out lol

how dares him taking a potential champion to 7 without middleton, what a choker
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4959 » by Texas Chuck » Mon May 16, 2022 4:11 pm

parsnips33 wrote:This would definitely be a series we'd want to have Payton and Iguodala. Hopefully OPJ will be good to go, but who knows with him. This is the danger of the Warriors "now & later" approach. We've got GP, Andre, and OPJ injured and Wiseman, Moody, and Kuminga either can't or won't be played. That's almost half the roster right there



Yeah Dallas has a bunch of dead roster spots too. Kidd trusts essentially 6 guys: Luka, Brunson, Bullock, DFS, Kleber, and Dinwiddie and then he tries to steal minutes with Powell, Bertans, and now Ntilikina.

Payton and Iggy big losses. Not sure how good THJ would be against the Warriors, but Dallas could certainly use him instead of having to play Bertans/Frank.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4960 » by NinjaSheppard » Mon May 16, 2022 4:22 pm

Really didn't think this would have been a series. Was completely wrong. All the credit in the world to the Mavs.

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