2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

[douggood]

Ayton is going to get the max..he won't be available

Who tf is giving him the max lmao. Suns didn’t wanna give it to him last offseason. highly doubt they wanna give it to him now

Ayton is a recent #1 pick, young, good resume (aside from last night). he is 100% getting the max from someone.

free agent max is different from suns max
suns max is 5 years 175 mil, free agent max/s&t max is 4 years $127 mil
if i am suns i rather match a 3+1 offer sheet for 127 mil.

but imo he takes qualifying offer and becomes ufa next summer; since he was #1 pick he has a really high QO. what team is going to go through the hoops to create max cap room for the chance of getting it matched.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

You say it makes no difference but this is exactly the type of off-season the Raptors will most likely have

Also, I don't see how it doesn't make a difference. Our bench and depth are significantly better than what we just had. We have more Shooting/Ball Handling/Playmaking/Rotational Players

Masai has made it clear our core is staying intact and that he will try to improve the depth this off-season

Yes, because Masai would be better off saying he is looking to trade core pieces to upgrade the team?

You look to improve every year, internal development is a given, but you always look to make serious improvements. Gary harris and holmes aint doing anything. The team's ceiling is the damn same, we are still not beating the celtics bucks heat philly or the nets.

If you think we will sit on our hands waiting for barnes to improve and other team's players to decline you're going to be surprised. lol

lmao how long have you been following this team? What in the past has shown you that Masai is gonna start trading core pieces around and go for it now after 1 year of development? We are not in a Kawhi situation.

If you really think Masai is gonna go big game hunting this offseason then I feel sorry for you. Cuz you gonna be hella disappointed. Masai will improve the depth of this team this off-season and that's that. Its gonna be another year of development for our young guys.

And also, Holmes/Harris/Wright/Boucher/Precious/Thad is a lot better than the **** **** we had this past year

i mean Ayton, if Masai likes him, can be a core guy. he's only 23yo. only Masai and co will know if he's going to be a good fit or not long term - maybe they take him over OG, who can't seem to stay on the court, for example.

i dont see the fit but maybe Nurse wants him. who knows.

[Jadoogar]

Who tf is giving him the max lmao. Suns didn’t wanna give it to him last offseason. highly doubt they wanna give it to him now

Ayton is a recent #1 pick, young, good resume (aside from last night). he is 100% getting the max from someone.

free agent max is different from suns max (or s&t max)
suns max(s&t max) is 5 years 175 mil, free agent max is 4 years $127 mil
if i am suns i rather match a 3+1 offer sheet for 127 mil.

but imo he takes qualifing offer and becomes ufa next summer; since he was #1 pick he has a really high QO.

hmm interesting situation for the Suns. Either contract would put the Suns in the tax i'm guessing. So if you're the suns, do you want to match his deal at this lower number or get something of value in a S&T?

The QO threat is always out there but no one significant has ever taken it. Just too much risk imo.

[douggood]

Ayton is a recent #1 pick, young, good resume (aside from last night). he is 100% getting the max from someone.

free agent max is different from suns max (or s&t max)
suns max(s&t max) is 5 years 175 mil, free agent max is 4 years $127 mil
if i am suns i rather match a 3+1 offer sheet for 127 mil.

but imo he takes qualifing offer and becomes ufa next summer; since he was #1 pick he has a really high QO.

hmm interesting situation for the Suns. Either contract would put the Suns in the tax i'm guessing. So if you're the suns, do you want to match his deal at this lower number or get something of value in a S&T?

The QO threat is always out there but no one significant has ever taken it. Just too much risk imo.

suns have 129$ already signed for next season (tax is $149), that is not including ayton/filling out roster.

suns didnt pay tax last year, or this year. any half decent owner would pay the tax for the coming year; wildcard is sarver.

miles bridges extension kicks in, shamet extension kicks in this year.

and they now have to extend cam johnson and ayton.

and now booker is going to be eligible for super max, a 4 year $210 extension.

suns had thier window last year and this year, and if financially willing they can do it one more year. also maybe trade some picks with cam johnson + saric and get an improvement at pf

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/33922971/nba-offseason-guide-2022-how-phoenix-suns-approach-offseason

[Jadoogar]

free agent max is different from suns max (or s&t max)
suns max(s&t max) is 5 years 175 mil, free agent max is 4 years $127 mil
if i am suns i rather match a 3+1 offer sheet for 127 mil.

but imo he takes qualifing offer and becomes ufa next summer; since he was #1 pick he has a really high QO.

hmm interesting situation for the Suns. Either contract would put the Suns in the tax i'm guessing. So if you're the suns, do you want to match his deal at this lower number or get something of value in a S&T?

The QO threat is always out there but no one significant has ever taken it. Just too much risk imo.

suns have 129$ already signed for next season (tax is $149), that is not including ayton/filling out roster.

suns didnt pay tax last year, or this year. any half decent owner would pay the tax for the coming year; wildcard is sarver.

miles bridges extension kicks in, shamet extension kicks in this year.

and they now have to extend cam johnson and ayton.

and now booker is going to be eligible for super max, a 4 year $210 extension.

suns had thier window last year and this year, and if financially willing they can do it one more year. also maybe trade some picks with cam johnson + saric and get an improvement at pf

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/33922971/nba-offseason-guide-2022-how-phoenix-suns-approach-offseason

Ayton's deal would kick in this year i believe so this alone would put them into the tax. If they sign ayton, i'm guessing they will look to offload some contracts throughout the season so they don't fall under a repeater situation.
Cam Johnson's deal wouldn't kick in until next year.

[Bruin]

I don’t see why Ayton would have the value of OG in a S&T. Maybe in a normal trade but not when he’s entering RFA and it’s pretty clear they don’t wanna pay him

It works using Fred cause he’s entering Free Agency next offseason but not OG

[Los_29]

Anyone here JJ Redick say that Ayton not getting the max has nothing to do with his performances but because the Suns have questions about his character?

What we've learned in this league is giving hefty contracts to players with questionable character almost never works out.

[goinrogue]

Fred makes sense for phoenix cause Chris Paul has what, a year left maybe? Perhaps 2 but his retirement has to be coming soon.

[douggood]

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[aroc23]

Keep in mind that last year's finals included Brook Lopez vs Deandre Ayton. Before that it was the Lakers who won with Dwight Howard or McGee starting. Before that it was Marc Gasol vs Demarcus Cousins in the finals.

But yes, I agree that you don't NEED a 7 footer to win anymore. I would be happy to roll with a BAM/TimeLord level starting centre. Maybe Precious can become that guy? Either way I still think it would be a good move to have a 6'11'' + guy off the bench just in case.

[HumbleRen]

Ayton is 100% getting a max.

I expect Portland or Detroit to throw a max offer at him.

[TheBoi10]

OG + Birch + 1st for Ayton S&T

Straight up for OG, Ayton is not worth OG and first

[TheBoi10]

5 year (4 guaranteed + 1 PO) $110 mill contract is all I'd offer Ayton

[Kurtz]

I don't think Ayton fits our defensive style...doesn't guard the 3 well and doesn't shoot the 3. Can be exposed on switches much easier than someone like Precious.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

5 year (4 guaranteed + 1 PO) $110 mill contract is all I'd offer Ayton

well it would be a sign and trade and that they have to sign Ayton first before they can trade him.

well lets say they make the trade for Ayton for OG (and first, debateable but whatevs)

Would we move everyone down one position and slide Precious' 3 point making ability (is it real? we'll see next year) in at the 4

Ayton
Precious
Siakam
Barnes (GTJ off of the bench)
FVV


or


Ayton
Siakam
Barnes
GTJ
FVV

[LBJKB24MJ23]

I don't think Ayton fits our defensive style...doesn't guard the 3 well and doesn't shoot the 3. Can be exposed on switches much easier than someone like Precious.

yup. this is something that is the back of my mind when it come to Ayton but i liked that he could stay on Doncic at times during this playoffs. he's not a slow guy - he's a modern day bigman. just lacks shooting 3s on volume.

i think this guy is super underrated right now and can be had for a good deal. I feel another coachin staff can unlock more of his potential.

[Jcity08]

I think Ayton is young enough the Raptors team can work with him on his weaknesses.

Some people get drafted at 23.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

I think Ayton is young enough the Raptors team can work with him on his weaknesses.

Some people get drafted at 23.

if the Raptors can teach Barnes and Precious to shoot in one season.... lol

[Rodrickle]

I think Ayton is young enough the Raptors team can work with him on his weaknesses.

Some people get drafted at 23.

I somewhat agree, but the Suns also have a good coaching staff. His motor does run hot and cold which is a concern. Ppl saying he can't switch on the perimeter are wrong imo. He can, just he doesn't give it his all 100% of the time (Which is probably why he got benched yesterday) That said, it is a risk we should be willing to take if the price is right. Nurse got Ibaka to really buy in defensively (At least motor wise) when he was fairly mediocre his 1st year here. Would still prefer Miles Turner though.

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