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Who do you want us to take at #1?

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Who would you take at #1?

Jabari smith
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Chet Holmgren
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29%
Paolo Banchero
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Jaden Ivey
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Keegan Murray
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Shaedon Sharpe
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Post#221 » by PrimeThyme » Thu May 19, 2022 12:02 am

Xatticus wrote:The only concern with Chet is the body.

I’ve been giving this a lot of thought as I’ve been evaluating Chet throughout the course of the season and the difficulty I have with the constant debate around Chet’s body, is I actually think his body is what makes him valuable.

His weight, at his size, allows for him to be incredibly springy. It’s why he’s such a relentless shotblocker and is able to constantly get second and third jumps while going after shots, rebounds, and putbacks. I think it’s also why hes able to effortlessly glide up and down the court on both ends. His developed handle certainly helps, and is better than Bari’s, but I’m convinced his size is an even bigger factor.

So many of the talking heads automatically just pencil him in as a longterm 5 who will need to pack on 50 pounds and I don’t get it. If I’m drafting Chet, I want him to maintain that springiness, as he’s a somewhat average athlete by NBA standards, which is why I’d much prefer to develop him as a 4 longterm next to a bigger 5 (in the Lopez/Giannis mold) so that I can maintain so much of what makes him the intriguing prospect that he is.

If you think he’s just going to crumble because of his frame, fine. But in that case he will regardless of what weight he’s at. I just think there’s a lot of nuance being lost in the whole Chet discussion right now.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#222 » by anothermagicfan » Thu May 19, 2022 12:03 am

I didn't spend a ton of time looking at the top 3 most of the year because I figured we would have crap luck at the lottery again. I spent more time looking at the guys in 4-12 draft range. I'm not sold on our shooting guard rotation. I believe we have our point figured out. It's fultz. And if not it's Suggs. But most likely it's fultz starting and Suggs backup. We got a couple of sf, and a couple of pf, and a couple of c's. It's the shooting guard that's our biggest hole. And we're drafting Smith at #1 and he's gonna be the 4 and Isaac is gonna be one hell of a backup 4. So who at the shooting guard?
The options are Sharpe, Johnny Davis, mathurin and a couple of others. I like mathurin but who knows.
Makes me wonder if a trade package of Cole, tross, both this year's 2nds, and the better of our next year's first(top 5 protected) could get us that mathurin, or Sharpe, or davis.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#223 » by Xatticus » Thu May 19, 2022 12:21 am

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Xatticus wrote:The only concern with Chet is the body.

I’ve been giving this a lot of thought as I’ve been evaluating Chet throughout the course of the season and the difficulty I have with the constant debate around Chet’s body, is I actually think his body is what makes him valuable.

His weight, at his size, allows for him to be incredibly springy. It’s why he’s such a relentless shotblocker and is able to constantly get second and third jumps while going after shots, rebounds, and putbacks. I think it’s also why hes able to effortlessly glide up and down the court on both ends. His developed handle certainly helps, and is better than Bari’s, but I’m convinced his size is an even bigger factor.

So many of the talking heads automatically just pencil him in as a longterm 5 who will need to pack on 50 pounds and I don’t get it. If I’m drafting Chet, I want him to maintain that springiness, as he’s a somewhat average athlete by NBA standards, which is why I’d much prefer to develop him as a 4 longterm next to a bigger 5 (in the Lopez/Giannis mold) so that I can maintain so much of what makes him the intriguing prospect that he is.

If you think he’s just going to crumble because of his frame, fine. But in that case he will regardless of what weight he’s at. I just think there’s a lot of nuance being lost in the whole Chet discussion right now.


Yeah. I'm not advocating for him to gain 50 pounds. I would never throw some random number out there as an ideal weight for anyone. You want functional strength. That's what Chet needs. He just needs to get stronger. He is so good at using what he has and every bit of strength he adds is going to enhance his game.
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Post#224 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu May 19, 2022 12:35 am

PrimeThyme wrote:
Xatticus wrote:The only concern with Chet is the body.

I’ve been giving this a lot of thought as I’ve been evaluating Chet throughout the course of the season and the difficulty I have with the constant debate around Chet’s body, is I actually think his body is what makes him valuable.

His weight, at his size, allows for him to be incredibly springy. It’s why he’s such a relentless shotblocker and is able to constantly get second and third jumps while going after shots, rebounds, and putbacks. I think it’s also why hes able to effortlessly glide up and down the court on both ends. His developed handle certainly helps, and is better than Bari’s, but I’m convinced his size is an even bigger factor.

So many of the talking heads automatically just pencil him in as a longterm 5 who will need to pack on 50 pounds and I don’t get it. If I’m drafting Chet, I want him to maintain that springiness, as he’s a somewhat average athlete by NBA standards, which is why I’d much prefer to develop him as a 4 longterm next to a bigger 5 (in the Lopez/Giannis mold) so that I can maintain so much of what makes him the intriguing prospect that he is.

If you think he’s just going to crumble because of his frame, fine. But in that case he will regardless of what weight he’s at. I just think there’s a lot of nuance being lost in the whole Chet discussion right now.


He’s still listed at 195lbs which likely can be dropped to 190-185ish because we all know those aren’t legit #’s. So he’s smaller than what 90% of all current NBA players? Regardless where he plays (agree the 4 seems best) he’s gotta put on 10-15lbs of usable good weight IMO.
If he can do that then sky is the limit.

Good problem for our FO to have that’s for sure
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Post#225 » by Mule Tears » Thu May 19, 2022 12:45 am

anothermagicfan wrote:I didn't spend a ton of time looking at the top 3 most of the year because I figured we would have crap luck at the lottery again. I spent more time looking at the guys in 4-12 draft range. I'm not sold on our shooting guard rotation. I believe we have our point figured out. It's fultz. And if not it's Suggs. But most likely it's fultz starting and Suggs backup. We got a couple of sf, and a couple of pf, and a couple of c's. It's the shooting guard that's our biggest hole. And we're drafting Smith at #1 and he's gonna be the 4 and Isaac is gonna be one hell of a backup 4. So who at the shooting guard?
The options are Sharpe, Johnny Davis, mathurin and a couple of others. I like mathurin but who knows.
Makes me wonder if a trade package of Cole, tross, both this year's 2nds, and the better of our next year's first(top 5 protected) could get us that mathurin, or Sharpe, or davis.


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Post#226 » by FrightCoward » Thu May 19, 2022 12:53 am

Jabari is going to be a prolific scorer and has the best chance of anyone to be a superstar in this draft. He’s 6’10, athletic and has a prolific jumper that he can get off of anyone. He is the modern PF for today’s NBA. Also, he is a full year younger than Chet and will be 19 his whole rookie season. He is the pick, he has to be.
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Post#227 » by ProfX » Thu May 19, 2022 1:03 am

I think Jabari Smith is our best option. He reminds me of a Robert Horry ..Glen Rice level talent. Maybe a year of development to be there. I think he is great insurance if JI goes down. His body is nearly NBA ready.

Chet is a very skilled player. He reminds me of maybe Dirk Nowitzki or a Chris Bosh. Unfortunately his body is no where near nba ready. It would be a few years before he would be able to bang inside and defend the post. Id be concerned about injuries during that time. I think thats why JI has had it so bad. Both immensely talented..but can they stay on the court long enough to contribute.

We have a great team and we showed some flashes of it last year. Some great outside shooting and the ability to defend the 4 is what we need. Smith gets us there in a year. Chet maybe 4.. my two cents..
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Post#228 » by basketballRob » Thu May 19, 2022 1:05 am

PrimeThyme wrote:Jabari is just everything I want as modern day 4.

6’10, beautiful touch, athletic with the ability to switch 1-4, and more than anything, his motor just runs so hot on both ends of the court. I mean just watch him anytime a change of possession, rebound, or turnover happens on defense. Bari immediately runs the floor like a gazelle and beats everyone else down there. So many of his blocks are him just refusing to give up on a play regardless of how many points Auburn was up or down.

Chet is an Uber competitor as well, and somebody I loved watching, I just think the NBA is continuing to move towards the exact mold of player that Jabari is on both ends of the floor.

He’s one of my favorite prospects of the last 10 years.
Yeah, Jabari is amazing. I'm watching these highlights and he's got a defenders draped on him on nearly every shot. He's sometimes double and triple teamed. He can always get his shot off.

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Post#229 » by nymets1 » Thu May 19, 2022 1:49 am

At this point I can't imagine the Magic not taking Jabari Smith. Imagine if somehow Jabari dropped to OKC or even Houston, OKC/Houston will be so lucky if they got Jabari.
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Post#230 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu May 19, 2022 1:50 am

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PrimeThyme wrote:Jabari is just everything I want as modern day 4.

6’10, beautiful touch, athletic with the ability to switch 1-4, and more than anything, his motor just runs so hot on both ends of the court. I mean just watch him anytime a change of possession, rebound, or turnover happens on defense. Bari immediately runs the floor like a gazelle and beats everyone else down there. So many of his blocks are him just refusing to give up on a play regardless of how many points Auburn was up or down.

Chet is an Uber competitor as well, and somebody I loved watching, I just think the NBA is continuing to move towards the exact mold of player that Jabari is on both ends of the floor.

He’s one of my favorite prospects of the last 10 years.
Yeah, Jabari is amazing. I'm watching these highlights and he's got a defenders draped on him on nearly every shot. He's sometimes double and triple teamed. He can always get his shot off.


It’s funny people say he can’t create his own offense then watch stuff like this. Like no he doesn’t go iso 5 dribbles and pull up all the time. He has a nasty jab step and can shoot over just about anyone. I don’t need my PF to do much more when I’ve got Franz Fultz and Suggs to be playmakers.
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Post#231 » by basketballRob » Thu May 19, 2022 1:59 am

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basketballRob wrote:
PrimeThyme wrote:Jabari is just everything I want as modern day 4.

6’10, beautiful touch, athletic with the ability to switch 1-4, and more than anything, his motor just runs so hot on both ends of the court. I mean just watch him anytime a change of possession, rebound, or turnover happens on defense. Bari immediately runs the floor like a gazelle and beats everyone else down there. So many of his blocks are him just refusing to give up on a play regardless of how many points Auburn was up or down.

Chet is an Uber competitor as well, and somebody I loved watching, I just think the NBA is continuing to move towards the exact mold of player that Jabari is on both ends of the floor.

He’s one of my favorite prospects of the last 10 years.
Yeah, Jabari is amazing. I'm watching these highlights and he's got a defenders draped on him on nearly every shot. He's sometimes double and triple teamed. He can always get his shot off.


It’s funny people say he can’t create his own offense then watch stuff like this. Like no he doesn’t go iso 5 dribbles and pull up all the time. He has a nasty jab step and can shoot over just about anyone. I don’t need my PF to do much more when I’ve got Franz Fultz and Suggs to be playmakers.
He'll eventually develop his handle and put on another 20 lbs of muscle. He's a defensive freak, also.

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Post#232 » by penny_nz » Thu May 19, 2022 2:05 am

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basketballRob wrote:
PrimeThyme wrote:Jabari is just everything I want as modern day 4.

6’10, beautiful touch, athletic with the ability to switch 1-4, and more than anything, his motor just runs so hot on both ends of the court. I mean just watch him anytime a change of possession, rebound, or turnover happens on defense. Bari immediately runs the floor like a gazelle and beats everyone else down there. So many of his blocks are him just refusing to give up on a play regardless of how many points Auburn was up or down.

Chet is an Uber competitor as well, and somebody I loved watching, I just think the NBA is continuing to move towards the exact mold of player that Jabari is on both ends of the floor.

He’s one of my favorite prospects of the last 10 years.
Yeah, Jabari is amazing. I'm watching these highlights and he's got a defenders draped on him on nearly every shot. He's sometimes double and triple teamed. He can always get his shot off.


It’s funny people say he can’t create his own offense then watch stuff like this. Like no he doesn’t go iso 5 dribbles and pull up all the time. He has a nasty jab step and can shoot over just about anyone. I don’t need my PF to do much more when I’ve got Franz Fultz and Suggs to be playmakers.


Was going to say the same thing, based on comments you'd think he was catch and shoot only, but plenty of pump fake /jabstep 1-2 dribble pull ups, spinning mid range. That mid range fader looks beautiful. Just imagine Franz and Jabari at the 3/4 :o
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Post#233 » by Skin » Thu May 19, 2022 2:29 am

penny_nz wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Yeah, Jabari is amazing. I'm watching these highlights and he's got a defenders draped on him on nearly every shot. He's sometimes double and triple teamed. He can always get his shot off.


It’s funny people say he can’t create his own offense then watch stuff like this. Like no he doesn’t go iso 5 dribbles and pull up all the time. He has a nasty jab step and can shoot over just about anyone. I don’t need my PF to do much more when I’ve got Franz Fultz and Suggs to be playmakers.


Was going to say the same thing, based on comments you'd think he was catch and shoot only, but plenty of pump fake /jabstep 1-2 dribble pull ups, spinning mid range. That mid range fader looks beautiful. Just imagine Franz and Jabari at the 3/4 :o

I think Isaac is a superior all around player than Jabari, so I'm just imagining Franz and Isaac at the 3/4.
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Post#234 » by thelead » Thu May 19, 2022 2:34 am

Skin wrote:
penny_nz wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:It’s funny people say he can’t create his own offense then watch stuff like this. Like no he doesn’t go iso 5 dribbles and pull up all the time. He has a nasty jab step and can shoot over just about anyone. I don’t need my PF to do much more when I’ve got Franz Fultz and Suggs to be playmakers.


Was going to say the same thing, based on comments you'd think he was catch and shoot only, but plenty of pump fake /jabstep 1-2 dribble pull ups, spinning mid range. That mid range fader looks beautiful. Just imagine Franz and Jabari at the 3/4 :o

I think Isaac is a superior all around player than Jabari, so I'm just imagining Franz and Isaac at the 3/4.

I love JI defensively but he is not in the same realm on offense as Jabari. And here's the best part: we don't have to pick one. We can have both Jabari and JI. I'm still all in on JI playing minutes at the 5 spot. So we could have a front court rotation of Franz, Jabari, JI, and WCJ... that's pretty damn good.
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Post#235 » by tiderulz » Thu May 19, 2022 2:34 am

Skin wrote:
penny_nz wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:It’s funny people say he can’t create his own offense then watch stuff like this. Like no he doesn’t go iso 5 dribbles and pull up all the time. He has a nasty jab step and can shoot over just about anyone. I don’t need my PF to do much more when I’ve got Franz Fultz and Suggs to be playmakers.


Was going to say the same thing, based on comments you'd think he was catch and shoot only, but plenty of pump fake /jabstep 1-2 dribble pull ups, spinning mid range. That mid range fader looks beautiful. Just imagine Franz and Jabari at the 3/4 :o

I think Isaac is a superior all around player than Jabari, so I'm just imagining Franz and Isaac at the 3/4.

well, Isaac can defend, Jabari can though not to the level of Isaac. But Smith is a lights out better shooter than Isaac. And he is also healthy and available.
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Post#236 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu May 19, 2022 2:54 am

Skin wrote:
penny_nz wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:It’s funny people say he can’t create his own offense then watch stuff like this. Like no he doesn’t go iso 5 dribbles and pull up all the time. He has a nasty jab step and can shoot over just about anyone. I don’t need my PF to do much more when I’ve got Franz Fultz and Suggs to be playmakers.


Was going to say the same thing, based on comments you'd think he was catch and shoot only, but plenty of pump fake /jabstep 1-2 dribble pull ups, spinning mid range. That mid range fader looks beautiful. Just imagine Franz and Jabari at the 3/4 :o

I think Isaac is a superior all around player than Jabari, so I'm just imagining Franz and Isaac at the 3/4.


There’s a saying the best ability is availability. Isaac doesn’t have that considering he can’t stay healthy. At this point it’s silly to even consider him anything but dead cap space.
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Post#237 » by basketballRob » Thu May 19, 2022 2:55 am

Skin wrote:
penny_nz wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:It’s funny people say he can’t create his own offense then watch stuff like this. Like no he doesn’t go iso 5 dribbles and pull up all the time. He has a nasty jab step and can shoot over just about anyone. I don’t need my PF to do much more when I’ve got Franz Fultz and Suggs to be playmakers.


Was going to say the same thing, based on comments you'd think he was catch and shoot only, but plenty of pump fake /jabstep 1-2 dribble pull ups, spinning mid range. That mid range fader looks beautiful. Just imagine Franz and Jabari at the 3/4 :o

I think Isaac is a superior all around player than Jabari, so I'm just imagining Franz and Isaac at the 3/4.
I like Isaac too but Smith will probably become a perennial allstar.

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Post#238 » by Black and Blue » Thu May 19, 2022 3:00 am

The more that time goes on the more I think the pick is Chet. I didn’t realize just how close Holmgren and Suggs were and if the decision is in any way close that is a huge champion in the Magic office for him.

You don’t obviously base a decision this big on something like that, but I could very much see the front office talking themselves into Suggs-Chet as a marketable dynamic duo in the Nelson-Howard and Penny-Shaq mold.

We shall see. This is going to be an insanely long month.
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Post#239 » by CZ Eddie » Thu May 19, 2022 4:15 am

The Suggs/Holmgren tandem would have been a more important factor had Suggs been able to have a good rookie season.
I still have faith that he'll turn around his offensive game in year two, but blind faith won't swing a #1 pick decision in one way or the other.
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Post#240 » by RookieStar » Thu May 19, 2022 5:03 am

Im kinda jaded... with our history of #1 picks and taking Bigs, i know whoever we pick is gonna be our star player and lead us to the finals again. With the inevitable conclusion that he will run to LA the first chance he gets.

With that being said, which of these dudes would most likely prefer us over the brightlights of hollywood? Lets pick him so we can have a #1 pick that stays with us for more than 10yrs and maybe finally have his jersey retired

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