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We can try but they will all say no. The only player on our team that nets a top 5 pick is Franz. The only other thing we can offer is future draft capitalSkin wrote:Dub_Sax wrote:Anyone open to trading Suggs for another top 5 pick?.. Ivey? Sharpe? Murray?
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We should seriously try to do this.
IllMagic04 wrote:We can try but they will all say no. The only player on our team that nets a top 5 pick is Franz. The only other thing we can offer is future draft capitalSkin wrote:Dub_Sax wrote:Anyone open to trading Suggs for another top 5 pick?.. Ivey? Sharpe? Murray?
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We should seriously try to do this.
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T-Cat wrote:IllMagic04 wrote:We can try but they will all say no. The only player on our team that nets a top 5 pick is Franz. The only other thing we can offer is future draft capitalSkin wrote:We should seriously try to do this.
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We have to assume one of our guards will be traded eventually!
Suggs has the higher value, even after his rookie season due to his two way potential. But right now Suggs is facing an uphill battle for playing time between Anthony and Fultz due to his injury recovery.
Maybe OKC can give us one of their future draft picks in exchange for Suggs especially if they draft Holmgren!
Skin wrote:T-Cat wrote:IllMagic04 wrote:We can try but they will all say no. The only player on our team that nets a top 5 pick is Franz. The only other thing we can offer is future draft capital
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We have to assume one of our guards will be traded eventually!
Suggs has the higher value, even after his rookie season due to his two way potential. But right now Suggs is facing an uphill battle for playing time between Anthony and Fultz due to his injury recovery.
Maybe OKC can give us one of their future draft picks in exchange for Suggs especially if they draft Holmgren!
OKC is in love with Giddey and SGA. No need for Suggs.
Suggs just REALLY crapped the bed this year and DESTROYED hopes with how poorly he shot the ball. It's going to be years if he ever gets to an efficient level...IF he even gets there. Hell, he can't even get the excuse that he had a shoulder injury like Fultz. What I do know is that if Suggs does fulfill his draft potential, then he will replace Fultz. He's certainly not going to be an elite SG. Compare his highlights to Jalen Green/Anthony Edwards and he's not in the same stratosphere. Shaedon Sharpe on the other hand.... MMmm mmm mmm... Same mold.
It's unfortunate for us to have won the lottery and be forced to take a player that doesn't fit our biggest needs. Sad, just sad.
T-Cat wrote:Skin wrote:T-Cat wrote:
We have to assume one of our guards will be traded eventually!
Suggs has the higher value, even after his rookie season due to his two way potential. But right now Suggs is facing an uphill battle for playing time between Anthony and Fultz due to his injury recovery.
Maybe OKC can give us one of their future draft picks in exchange for Suggs especially if they draft Holmgren!
OKC is in love with Giddey and SGA. No need for Suggs.
Suggs just REALLY crapped the bed this year and DESTROYED hopes with how poorly he shot the ball. It's going to be years if he ever gets to an efficient level...IF he even gets there. Hell, he can't even get the excuse that he had a shoulder injury like Fultz. What I do know is that if Suggs does fulfill his draft potential, then he will replace Fultz. He's certainly not going to be an elite SG. Compare his highlights to Jalen Green/Anthony Edwards and he's not in the same stratosphere. Shaedon Sharpe on the other hand.... MMmm mmm mmm... Same mold.
It's unfortunate for us to have won the lottery and be forced to take a player that doesn't fit our biggest needs. Sad, just sad.
Are you basically saying Orlando was forced to take Suggs because he was BPA like Bamba in the draft?
Btw, I think Shaedon Sharpe is the best player in the draft
Skin wrote:T-Cat wrote:IllMagic04 wrote:We can try but they will all say no. The only player on our team that nets a top 5 pick is Franz. The only other thing we can offer is future draft capital
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We have to assume one of our guards will be traded eventually!
Suggs has the higher value, even after his rookie season due to his two way potential. But right now Suggs is facing an uphill battle for playing time between Anthony and Fultz due to his injury recovery.
Maybe OKC can give us one of their future draft picks in exchange for Suggs especially if they draft Holmgren!
OKC is in love with Giddey and SGA. No need for Suggs.
Suggs just REALLY crapped the bed this year and DESTROYED hopes with how poorly he shot the ball. It's going to be years if he ever gets to an efficient level...IF he even gets there. Hell, he can't even get the excuse that he had a shoulder injury like Fultz. What I do know is that if Suggs does fulfill his draft potential, then he will replace Fultz. He's certainly not going to be an elite SG. Compare his highlights to Jalen Green/Anthony Edwards and he's not in the same stratosphere. Shaedon Sharpe on the other hand.... MMmm mmm mmm... Same mold.
It's unfortunate for us to have won the lottery and be forced to take a player that doesn't fit our biggest needs. Sad, just sad.
jonbob17 wrote:Skin wrote:T-Cat wrote:
We have to assume one of our guards will be traded eventually!
Suggs has the higher value, even after his rookie season due to his two way potential. But right now Suggs is facing an uphill battle for playing time between Anthony and Fultz due to his injury recovery.
Maybe OKC can give us one of their future draft picks in exchange for Suggs especially if they draft Holmgren!
OKC is in love with Giddey and SGA. No need for Suggs.
Suggs just REALLY crapped the bed this year and DESTROYED hopes with how poorly he shot the ball. It's going to be years if he ever gets to an efficient level...IF he even gets there. Hell, he can't even get the excuse that he had a shoulder injury like Fultz. What I do know is that if Suggs does fulfill his draft potential, then he will replace Fultz. He's certainly not going to be an elite SG. Compare his highlights to Jalen Green/Anthony Edwards and he's not in the same stratosphere. Shaedon Sharpe on the other hand.... MMmm mmm mmm... Same mold.
It's unfortunate for us to have won the lottery and be forced to take a player that doesn't fit our biggest needs. Sad, just sad.
For as bad as Suggs was, the worst rookie in the league may have been Jalen Green, Atrocious for most of the year on offense, and equally, if not worse, on defense. In fact, he reminds me a lot of Anthony Edwards for much of his rookie campaign, even though Edwards turned it on a little earlier. And both of those guys had a point guard playing next to them.
Are Magic fans so self-loathing that they are ready to give up on a prospect after one year, who has already shown he can excel at one rather important aspect of basketball.
I'd argue that had we drafted Edwards or Green, you'd have tried and run them out of town too.
jonbob17 wrote:Here is an interesting way at looking at Suggs.
Three of the worst four Offensive win shares were rookie point guards:
1. Suggs
2. Cade
4. Giddey
Rookie point guards take time.
Granted Suggs 3 point shooting was probably one of the worst seasons of all-time, his touch seems ok. He'll be fine. He just needs reps.
Skin wrote:jonbob17 wrote:Skin wrote:OKC is in love with Giddey and SGA. No need for Suggs.
Suggs just REALLY crapped the bed this year and DESTROYED hopes with how poorly he shot the ball. It's going to be years if he ever gets to an efficient level...IF he even gets there. Hell, he can't even get the excuse that he had a shoulder injury like Fultz. What I do know is that if Suggs does fulfill his draft potential, then he will replace Fultz. He's certainly not going to be an elite SG. Compare his highlights to Jalen Green/Anthony Edwards and he's not in the same stratosphere. Shaedon Sharpe on the other hand.... MMmm mmm mmm... Same mold.
It's unfortunate for us to have won the lottery and be forced to take a player that doesn't fit our biggest needs. Sad, just sad.
For as bad as Suggs was, the worst rookie in the league may have been Jalen Green, Atrocious for most of the year on offense, and equally, if not worse, on defense. In fact, he reminds me a lot of Anthony Edwards for much of his rookie campaign, even though Edwards turned it on a little earlier. And both of those guys had a point guard playing next to them.
Are Magic fans so self-loathing that they are ready to give up on a prospect after one year, who has already shown he can excel at one rather important aspect of basketball.
I'd argue that had we drafted Edwards or Green, you'd have tried and run them out of town too.
Suggs WISHES he had the season that Green had. We'd get laughed out of town if we tried to offer a Suggs for Green swap. The caliber of player is completely different.
jonbob17 wrote:Skin wrote:jonbob17 wrote:
For as bad as Suggs was, the worst rookie in the league may have been Jalen Green, Atrocious for most of the year on offense, and equally, if not worse, on defense. In fact, he reminds me a lot of Anthony Edwards for much of his rookie campaign, even though Edwards turned it on a little earlier. And both of those guys had a point guard playing next to them.
Are Magic fans so self-loathing that they are ready to give up on a prospect after one year, who has already shown he can excel at one rather important aspect of basketball.
I'd argue that had we drafted Edwards or Green, you'd have tried and run them out of town too.
Suggs WISHES he had the season that Green had. We'd get laughed out of town if we tried to offer a Suggs for Green swap. The caliber of player is completely different.
Only one of them showed competence on at least one side of the ball. That's for sure. And only one of them has their fan base rallying against them (at least that I know of).
Guess what? they both will be fine.
I'd take an efficient 18 point Suggs over a 30 point Green every day of the week. Who knows, maybe that changes and Green turns into a 2 way player, but the Zack Lavine's of the world aren't winning championships, it might be fun for the fans to see their favorite player pour in 27 every night, but give me the guy that has a chance at changing their team's fortune.
Skin wrote:jonbob17 wrote:Skin wrote:Suggs WISHES he had the season that Green had. We'd get laughed out of town if we tried to offer a Suggs for Green swap. The caliber of player is completely different.
Only one of them showed competence on at least one side of the ball. That's for sure. And only one of them has their fan base rallying against them (at least that I know of).
Guess what? they both will be fine.
I'd take an efficient 18 point Suggs over a 30 point Green every day of the week. Who knows, maybe that changes and Green turns into a 2 way player, but the Zack Lavine's of the world aren't winning championships, it might be fun for the fans to see their favorite player pour in 27 every night, but give me the guy that has a chance at changing their team's fortune.
Jalen Suggs being the guy to change our team's fortune might be asking a lot.... but I like the optimism!
I can see him having a poor man's Marcus Smart type impact if his shot ever comes around. A good 6th man type.
jonbob17 wrote:Skin wrote:jonbob17 wrote:
Only one of them showed competence on at least one side of the ball. That's for sure. And only one of them has their fan base rallying against them (at least that I know of).
Guess what? they both will be fine.
I'd take an efficient 18 point Suggs over a 30 point Green every day of the week. Who knows, maybe that changes and Green turns into a 2 way player, but the Zack Lavine's of the world aren't winning championships, it might be fun for the fans to see their favorite player pour in 27 every night, but give me the guy that has a chance at changing their team's fortune.
Jalen Suggs being the guy to change our team's fortune might be asking a lot.... but I like the optimism!
I can see him having a poor man's Marcus Smart type impact if his shot ever comes around. A good 6th man type.
A poor man's Marcus Smart? Marcus Smart has a career FG% of 38%, and full seasons 3pt% of 25% and 28%. I am pretty sure Suggs Floor is that of Marcus smart, but with less versatility on defense.
Jrue Holiday is the comp that gets thrown around, and i don't see anything that tells me he can't be some version of that. Who is more valuable peak Jrue Holiday or peak Zack Lavine? I know who i am going with, and if we are considering money(at least Lavine's next deal), i'd probably take Smart over Lavine too.
DiplomaticMagic wrote:The price for another top 5 pick would be too much for us so no. I also dont love the top of this draft as much.
But a lot of you are quick with your judgments of Suggs. He was a rookie and rookie guards tend to struggle. He was still really good on defense, also he was hurt a lot of the year. I'm still optimistic about him.
