Who do you want us to take at #1?

[basketballRob]

Interesting Catch & Shoot numbers for this draft class. Jabari is ELITE & not just because he's getting open looks

Catch and Shoot 3 contested vs uncontested

Jabari contested 35/94 for 37.2% and uncontested 20/35 for 57.1%

Paolo contested 10/34 for 29.4% and uncontested 25/59 for 42.4%

Chet contested 15/42 for 35.7% and 17/42 for 40.5%

Its not a particularly good decision making taking so many contested shots by Jabari. NBA 3s are even further and he shot 38% overall on them. We blame his guards but how can they be in good rhytm when one player take's so many tough looks ? It was the same argument with Anthony and UNC offense. When one player hijacks the offense it makes it harder for rest of the team.
We talk about UNC how about this year ?

When you play a team like the Celtics all the shots are going to be contested because they play playoff-type defense. Jabari will still be able to get shots off. That's why it's easier to envision him being a main guy on a championship-level team. He also plays the same level of defense.

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[zaymon]

Interesting Catch & Shoot numbers for this draft class. Jabari is ELITE & not just because he's getting open looks

Catch and Shoot 3 contested vs uncontested

Jabari contested 35/94 for 37.2% and uncontested 20/35 for 57.1%

Paolo contested 10/34 for 29.4% and uncontested 25/59 for 42.4%

Chet contested 15/42 for 35.7% and 17/42 for 40.5%

Its not a particularly good decision making taking so many contested shots by Jabari. NBA 3s are even further and he shot 38% overall on them. We blame his guards but how can they be in good rhytm when one player take's so many tough looks ? It was the same argument with Anthony and UNC offense. When one player hijacks the offense it makes it harder for rest of the team.
We talk about UNC how about this year ?

When you play a team like the Celtics all the shots are going to be contested because they play playoff-type defense. Jabari will still be able to get shots off. That's why it's easier to envision him being a main guy on a championship-level team. He also plays the same level of defense.

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GSW are winning not becouse they shot better from 3 but becouse they can get to the rim, same with Celtics when they win. Jabari wont be main guy becouse he cant get to the rim. Often Tatum shoots tough jumpers to lure the defender and slash tonthe rim. It makes no sense for Smith who cant attack the rim consistently.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Interesting Catch & Shoot numbers for this draft class. Jabari is ELITE & not just because he's getting open looks

Catch and Shoot 3 contested vs uncontested

Jabari contested 35/94 for 37.2% and uncontested 20/35 for 57.1%

Paolo contested 10/34 for 29.4% and uncontested 25/59 for 42.4%

Chet contested 15/42 for 35.7% and 17/42 for 40.5%

Its not a particularly good decision making taking so many contested shots by Jabari. NBA 3s are even further and he shot 38% overall on them. We blame his guards but how can they be in good rhytm when one player take's so many tough looks ? It was the same argument with Anthony and UNC offense. When one player hijacks the offense it makes it harder for rest of the team.
We talk about UNC how about this year ?

Remember these are catch and shoot three's not dribbling the air out of the ball and heaving a 3. If you wanna compare Cole to Jabari in college go for it, it just shows how much more efficient Jabari is vs the shot jacker that Cole was/is.

Jabari eFG% 52 TS% 57
Cole eFG% 45 TS% 50

I would agree that the contested shots seem like a lot but it also goes to show teams didn't want to leave him open and he still was able to hit at a good %. That shooting form is a thing of beauty and in the NBA world where there's a lot more spacing vs college game knowing he can hit contested & open shots is enticing.

[basketballRob]

Interesting Catch & Shoot numbers for this draft class. Jabari is ELITE & not just because he's getting open looks

Catch and Shoot 3 contested vs uncontested

Jabari contested 35/94 for 37.2% and uncontested 20/35 for 57.1%

Paolo contested 10/34 for 29.4% and uncontested 25/59 for 42.4%

Chet contested 15/42 for 35.7% and 17/42 for 40.5%

Its not a particularly good decision making taking so many contested shots by Jabari. NBA 3s are even further and he shot 38% overall on them. We blame his guards but how can they be in good rhytm when one player take's so many tough looks ? It was the same argument with Anthony and UNC offense. When one player hijacks the offense it makes it harder for rest of the team.
We talk about UNC how about this year ?

Remember these are catch and shoot three's not dribbling the air out of the ball and heaving a 3. If you wanna compare Cole to Jabari in college go for it, it just shows how much more efficient Jabari is vs the shot jacker that Cole was/is.

Jabari eFG% 52 TS% 57
Cole eFG% 45 TS% 50

I would agree that the contested shots seem like a lot but it also goes to show teams didn't want to leave him open and he still was able to hit at a good %. That shooting form is a thing of beauty and in the NBA world where there's a lot more spacing vs college game knowing he can hit contested & open shots is enticing.

No wonder they're always draped all over him, he just doesn't miss when he's open.

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[zaymon]

Interesting Catch & Shoot numbers for this draft class. Jabari is ELITE & not just because he's getting open looks

Catch and Shoot 3 contested vs uncontested

Jabari contested 35/94 for 37.2% and uncontested 20/35 for 57.1%

Paolo contested 10/34 for 29.4% and uncontested 25/59 for 42.4%

Chet contested 15/42 for 35.7% and 17/42 for 40.5%

Its not a particularly good decision making taking so many contested shots by Jabari. NBA 3s are even further and he shot 38% overall on them. We blame his guards but how can they be in good rhytm when one player take's so many tough looks ? It was the same argument with Anthony and UNC offense. When one player hijacks the offense it makes it harder for rest of the team.
We talk about UNC how about this year ?

Remember these are catch and shoot three's not dribbling the air out of the ball and heaving a 3. If you wanna compare Cole to Jabari in college go for it, it just shows how much more efficient Jabari is vs the shot jacker that Cole was/is.

Jabari eFG% 52 TS% 57
Cole eFG% 45 TS% 50

I would agree that the contested shots seem like a lot but it also goes to show teams didn't want to leave him open and he still was able to hit at a good %. That shooting form is a thing of beauty and in the NBA world where there's a lot more spacing vs college game knowing he can hit contested & open shots is enticing.

I would argue that its bad process good result.
I dont want to compare Jabari and Cole, Smith is much better shooter thats undeniable. I just think their style of play can have negative impact on team offense and chemistry.
NBA spacing is the most beneficial for players with good ball handling. It doesnt matter that much for Smith who just shoots over contests.

[MAGICian619]

Chet the favorite to be the 1st pick on BetOnline.

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Not sure where you are seeing that. Live odds from BetOnline:

1st Overall Pick 2022 NBA Draft

Jabari Smith Jr. -250

Chet Holmgren +180

Paolo Banchero +700

[basketballRob]

Chet the favorite to be the 1st pick on BetOnline.

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Not sure where you are seeing that. Live odds from BetOnline:

1st Overall Pick 2022 NBA Draft

Jabari Smith Jr. -250

Chet Holmgren +180

Paolo Banchero +700

https://www.bookmakersreview.com/nba/picks/2022-nba-draft-odds-is-jabari-smith-jr-lock-at-no-1/400975/

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[MAGICian619]

Chet the favorite to be the 1st pick on BetOnline.

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Not sure where you are seeing that. Live odds from BetOnline:

1st Overall Pick 2022 NBA Draft

Jabari Smith Jr. -250

Chet Holmgren +180

Paolo Banchero +700

https://www.bookmakersreview.com/nba/picks/2022-nba-draft-odds-is-jabari-smith-jr-lock-at-no-1/400975/

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Looks like that article is a day old. It has adjusted to Jabari being a solid favorite.

https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/nba-draft/1st-round

[LongHairedBob]

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[JMAC3]

I am not sure I understand where all the Jabari is an elite defender talk is coming from?

He averaged 1.1 steals and 1.0 blocks. I am not saying counting stats are that matters, but Walker Kessler was the best defensive player on that team.

Guys like Chet, Murray, Eason, Sochan, Williams and Dyson Daniels all profile as much better defenders.

[basketballRob]

I am not sure I understand where all the Jabari is an elite defender talk is coming from?

He averaged 1.1 steals and 1.0 blocks. I am not saying counting stats are that matters, but Walker Kessler was the best defensive player on that team.

Guys like Chet, Murray, Eason, Sochan, Williams and Dyson Daniels all profile as much better defenders.

Jabari is good two-way player and just turned 19 last week. We've been researching these picks closely and it looks like the majority of fans have Jabari 1st, majority of scouts, the majority of NBA executives, and all the betting sites have Jabari #1.

Last year, I remember a poster called Franchella coming here and telling us what a bum Scottie Barnes was and not to waste a high pick on him.

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[JMAC3]

I am not sure I understand where all the Jabari is an elite defender talk is coming from?

He averaged 1.1 steals and 1.0 blocks. I am not saying counting stats are that matters, but Walker Kessler was the best defensive player on that team.

Guys like Chet, Murray, Eason, Sochan, Williams and Dyson Daniels all profile as much better defenders.

Jabari is good two-way player and just turned 19 last week. We've been researching these picks closely and it looks like the majority of fans have Jabari 1st, majority of scouts, the majority of NBA executives, and all the betting sites have Jabari #1.

Last year, I remember a poster called Franchella coming here and telling us what a bum Scottie Barnes was and not to waste a high pick on him.

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I think he is a solid 2 way player yes. However, seen him mentioned in this thread several times as elite defender. He is guarding smaller, slower, less athletic, worse shooters in college then he will be seeing in NBA I think we can all agree. Yet when you watch film he is far from dominating that side of the floor. Seems like he is being vastly overrated on that side of floor. Elite Shooter? yes.

Also, appreciate you comparing me to some random guy with a bad take.

To say majority of scouts, execs have Smith ranked one seems like a reach. Reports all over the place. Jabari is probably the safest to be a solid starter though.

[basketballRob]

I am not sure I understand where all the Jabari is an elite defender talk is coming from?

He averaged 1.1 steals and 1.0 blocks. I am not saying counting stats are that matters, but Walker Kessler was the best defensive player on that team.

Guys like Chet, Murray, Eason, Sochan, Williams and Dyson Daniels all profile as much better defenders.

Jabari is good two-way player and just turned 19 last week. We've been researching these picks closely and it looks like the majority of fans have Jabari 1st, majority of scouts, the majority of NBA executives, and all the betting sites have Jabari #1.

Last year, I remember a poster called Franchella coming here and telling us what a bum Scottie Barnes was and not to waste a high pick on him.

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I think he is a solid 2 way player yes. However, seen him mentioned in this thread several times as elite defender. He is guarding smaller, slower, less athletic, worse shooters in college then he will be seeing in NBA I think we can all agree. Yet when you watch film he is far from dominating that side of the floor. Seems like he is being vastly overrated on that side of floor. Elite Shooter? yes.

Also, appreciate you comparing me to some random guy with a bad take.

To say majority of scouts, execs have Smith ranked one seems like a reach. Reports all over the place. Jabari is probably the safest to be a solid starter though.

I think he'll be a perennial all-star, I guess we'll see in a couple of years.

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[thelead]

I don’t care if they take Jabari, Chet, or trade down for someone else. With the #1 pick, the FO needs to find their star and they will have no excuse for not finding that guy. They control the draft.

[Bigmagicfan82]

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Very good scouting report on Jabari Smith.

[pepe1991]

I am not sure I understand where all the Jabari is an elite defender talk is coming from?

He averaged 1.1 steals and 1.0 blocks. I am not saying counting stats are that matters, but Walker Kessler was the best defensive player on that team.

Guys like Chet, Murray, Eason, Sochan, Williams and Dyson Daniels all profile as much better defenders.

Jabari is good two-way player and just turned 19 last week. We've been researching these picks closely and it looks like the majority of fans have Jabari 1st, majority of scouts, the majority of NBA executives, and all the betting sites have Jabari #1.

Last year, I remember a poster called Franchella coming here and telling us what a bum Scottie Barnes was and not to waste a high pick on him.

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Scottie Barnes "sucess" is gimmicky as hell.
He is 5th most important Raptors starter. He plays glorified Kenneth Faried role, spends almost excusivlly all the time at dunker's spot and from time to time crosses ball half court.
In playoffs, when he got pressed more, he shot 43% FG and 16% for 3 on 45% eFG.
Scottie isn't bad player but his "elite defense" that was projected didn't translate in year 1, he is more boring defender than sucessful one.

I have same sentiment for him i have for Jabari. Those guys are not bad players and they will be sucessful. But you are perennial nba basement if that's your best player.

Thing what makes guy like Kuminga & Barnes look good has nothing to do with them. Their teams would won 48+ games without them. They don't need them, having them is just additional luxury.
Opposite of guys like Suggs or Chade or Green who were dragged to bottoms of nba and asked to deliver something, surrounded by garbage .

[KillMonger]

I'm trying to sell myself on Jabari and I keep hitting a wall....watching the film, the jumpshot is money in the bank....but I feel myself wanting more...like where's the rest of his game? His handle is good for a big but if you want to call him a wing? He dribbles damn near upright, with that high dribble he's getting nowhere in the half court unless it's a straight line....but that shot though....

At times he gets that tunnel vision, no matter what he will shoot it...especially watching the Miami game where he reminded me of Fournier when he was cold just jacking shot after shot....I didn't understand why he didn't try to do anything else...but that shot though

I would be content if we picked Smith , don't get it twisted but I just can't sell myself on a prospect with his kind of playstyle as number 1 overall....I guess I always thought a number 1 guy is just....I guess just more dynamic and could change the game for your team....

Maybe that guy isn't in this draft but I keep trying to imagine how it will look on the court but I can't help but see Jabari like a taller Mikal Bridges from the Suns....3&D, potential elite shooting and good defense....but man....is that the kind of prospect I would draft #1? I guess I'm still trying to work that out....As of now I have Chet by a slim margin over banchero followed by Smith....it's real close

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[RookieStar]

I'm trying to sell myself on Jabari and I keep hitting a wall....watching the film, the jumpshot is money in the bank....but I feel myself wanting more...like where's the rest of his game? His handle is good for a big but if you want to call him a wing? He dribbles damn near upright, with that high dribble he's getting nowhere in the half court unless it's a straight line....but that shot though....

At times he gets that tunnel vision, no matter what he will shoot it...especially watching the Miami game where he reminded me of Fournier when he was cold just jacking shot after shot....I didn't understand why he didn't try to do anything else...but that shot though

I would be content if we picked Smith , don't get it twisted but I just can't sell myself on a prospect with his kind of playstyle as number 1 overall....I guess I always thought a number 1 guy is just....I guess just more dynamic and could change the game for your team....

Maybe that guy isn't in this draft but I keep trying to imagine how it will look on the court but I can't help but see Jabari like a taller Mikal Bridges from the Suns....3&D, potential elite shooting and good defense....but man....is that the kind of prospect I would draft #1? I guess I'm still trying to work that out....As of now I have Chet by a slim margin over banchero followed by Smith....it's real close

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Yeah I got that same feeling. Jabari hasnt really shown me any offense except the jumpshot. I mean of you are a star worthy of the #1 pick you have to have an arsenal of moves. Where is the lowpost footwork or breaking down the defender like Paolo does a lot? Where is the drive to the basket like Chet shows.

And you're right about shooters like Fournier. There are times when they are hot but there are times when they are so cold they go 0-8. If your jumpshot isn't falling, you gotta be a threat in the offensive end as well to help your team.

[basketballRob]

Paolo just can't get shots off when guarded like Jabari can. He also hits them at a way lower rate. Jabari is better per 100 possessions than Paolo at rebounding, blocks, steals. Jabari has a better TS, EFG, FTr, ORtg, DRtg.





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[drsd]

Jaden Ivey on zero poll votes here. There is a draft scenario were he goes 7th. Man has he dropped like a stone.