Official Scottie Barnes Thread 3

[HumbleRen]

He can be one of the best players in the league, that's seems like a pretty simple projection to me.

I mean that’s the goal but I’m personally not entertaining those discussions until he shows a semblance of perimeter skills.

He has shown a semblance of perimeter skills. That's why people are excited about his future. They've seen flashes of it.

I agree, it's not like I'm not excited either. I'm just solely speaking from if he can be a top 10 player within the first 4-5 years of his career like Luka/Ja/Tatum are.

[B-Ball Freak]

Forward timeline is a little bit different, also the year matters and the competition. For example Tatum. He was on a level with Scott from a production and advanced metrics standpoint (even slightly above) but he did not make the jump to superstar in year 2-3. Year 4-5 to being a franchise player might be more realistic.


Simmons did not have the drive, you saw that at LSU and he also had the benefit of a redshirt year before his rookie season. Wiggins had terrible metrics despite some decent raw numbers.

It's hard to project where Scottie can be.

He's not your conventional ROTY. You can easily project where Luka, Lamelo and Ja would be within 2-3 years when they won ROTY, not so much Scottie.

Scottie has never been defended as a primary option like those 3 were .. (which is why I completely understood the Cade for ROTY arguments) so we don't really have a gauge on how he can handle being a franchise player.

Even Tatum in his rookie year despite not winning ROTY was much farther ahead than Scottie in terms of projecting how good he can be as a primary option due to him averaging near 20 points a game on a team that went to the ECF.

He won the rookie of the year as the 5th option that's actually more difficult than others.

Tatum did not show more during the season.

Playoffs yes but it would have been the same with Barnes as we saw end of season when he averaged like 18, he just got injured.

The grass is always greener with some of these guys.

[Los_29]

I mean that’s the goal but I’m personally not entertaining those discussions until he shows a semblance of perimeter skills.

He has shown a semblance of perimeter skills. That's why people are excited about his future. They've seen flashes of it.

I agree, it's not like I'm not excited either. I'm just solely speaking from if he can be a top 10 player within the first 4-5 years of his career like Luka/Ja/Tatum are.

Tatum and Ja can just as easily be out of the top 10 next year. Neither of those guys belong in the Lebron/KD/Giannis/Jokic/Embiid/Curry/Luka/Kawhi tier. Those are the only constants from year to year. Tatum and Ja are fringe top 10 players belonging in that Dame, Kyrie, Butler, Harden, Booker, AD, and a few others tier.

In terms of ceiling I'd be quite confident most executives from around the league would say Scottie has a higher ceiling than Ja Morant. Ja Morant is a great player but it's never a good sign when the offense and defense plays better when you're off the floor. LOL. You can even make a case that Scottie can reach the level of Tatum if not surpass him...if everything hits. Obviously that's the key there and there are no guarantees they do.

[HumbleRen]

He has shown a semblance of perimeter skills. That's why people are excited about his future. They've seen flashes of it.

I agree, it's not like I'm not excited either. I'm just solely speaking from if he can be a top 10 player within the first 4-5 years of his career like Luka/Ja/Tatum are.

Tatum and Ja can just as easily be out of the top 10 next year. Neither of those guys belong in the Lebron/KD/Giannis/Jokic/Embiid/Curry/Luka/Kawhi tier. Those are the only constants from year to year. Tatum and Ja are fringe top 10 players belonging in that Dame, Kyrie, Butler, Harden, Booker, AD, and a few others tier.

In terms of ceiling I'd be quite confident most executives from around the league would say Scottie has a higher ceiling than Ja Morant. Ja Morant is a great player but it's never a good sign when the offense and defense plays better when you're off the floor. LOL. You can even make a case that Scottie can reach the level of Tatum if not surpass him...if everything hits. Obviously that's the key there and there are no guarantees they do.

I mean maybe but I doubt a 23 and 24 year old suddenly regress. They’re top 10 caliber players is my point. If we truly believe Barnes can reach that by his 3rd/4th year then most of our issues are solved. That version of Scottie and Pascal will be enough to make us contenders.

[HiJiNX]

Forward timeline is a little bit different, also the year matters and the competition. For example Tatum. He was on a level with Scott from a production and advanced metrics standpoint (even slightly above) but he did not make the jump to superstar in year 2-3. Year 4-5 to being a franchise player might be more realistic.


Simmons did not have the drive, you saw that at LSU and he also had the benefit of a redshirt year before his rookie season. Wiggins had terrible metrics despite some decent raw numbers.

It's hard to project where Scottie can be.

He's not your conventional ROTY. You can easily project where Luka, Lamelo and Ja would be within 2-3 years when they won ROTY, not so much Scottie.

Scottie has never been defended as a primary option like those 3 were .. (which is why I completely understood the Cade for ROTY arguments) so we don't really have a gauge on how he can handle being a franchise player.

Even Tatum in his rookie year despite not winning ROTY was much farther ahead than Scottie in terms of projecting how good he can be as a primary option due to him averaging near 20 points a game on a team that went to the ECF.

Tatum never averaged 18+ points in a season until his 3rd year. He averaged 14ppg in his rookie season and 16ppg in his 2nd season. Tatum actually had a lot of talent on that Boston team. Brown, Smart, Rozier, Horford and Irving. In the playoffs, Kyrie didn't play and it was an offense by committee. Tatum and Brown averaged 18ppg, Rozier averaged 16.5ppg and Horford averaged 15.7ppg. Even guys like Morris averaged 12.5ppg and Smart averaged 10ppg. Tatum was 3rd on the team in FGA and Brown had the highest usage not Tatum. I don't think you can really say he was the primary option.

I think it's much easier to project players like Lamelo and Ja because they are guards and people understand their limitations. You know that Ja is a great, exciting player but he's probably not the ideal player to build around because of his playing style, his size and his inability to defend. Lamelo is very similar in that he just simply cannot defend.

It's hard to project Scottie because if everything hits he's arguably a top 5 player in this league. If everything doesn't hit then he's still got such a high floor in this league that he will likely still be an all-star caliber type player. His size, athleticism, feel for the game and IQ is what makes his upside enormous.

Bang on. Barnes projects as an MVP calibre player in his prime. Put that next to a still in his prime Siakam in a few years and you have a devastating tandem with two forwards that can defend multiple positions, beat almost any matchup one on one and can pass/rebound.

The future is bright.

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[Bruin]

He’s basically the same height as Tatum

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[YoungG]

Scottie definitely has grown taller. I believe Jason Tatum is listed at 6'8 and Scottie Barnes looks like he's little bit taller than him, if not the same height.

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[Bruin]

Scottie definitely has grown taller. I believe Jason Tatum is listed at 6'8 and Scottie Barnes looks like he's little bit taller than him, if not the same height.

I believe Tatum is taller than 6’8” now. I remember him saying he’s 6’10” now or something like that

[Madhouse]

Scottie definitely has grown taller. I believe Jason Tatum is listed at 6'8 and Scottie Barnes looks like he's little bit taller than him, if not the same height.

They are both 6-8. Barnes just has the much bigger wingspan.

[WuTang_CMB]

Scottie definitely has grown taller. I believe Jason Tatum is listed at 6'8 and Scottie Barnes looks like he's little bit taller than him, if not the same height.

I believe Tatum is taller than 6’8” now. I remember him saying he’s 6’10” now or something like that

Scottie def grew and he may not even realize it yet.

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well I would think Barnes is at the top or near the top in the entire NBA in versatility

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