Did the Celtics lose game 2 because of the refs?

[BudenFerry]

No, they had a lot of unforced turnovers and they didn't play as aggressively on defense as the Warriors did. I feel the game 1 win made them a little complacent as opposed to hungrier for the win, as if they'd done what they needed to do getting out of GS 1-1

They had 4 fouls after 5 min, and again were in the penalty in the middle of the second q.

How could they be aggressive?

Tell them to quit wasting fouls on take fouls and they wouldn't have this issue. They had several of these in the first half.

[Garbanzo]

No, they had a lot of unforced turnovers and they didn't play as aggressively on defense as the Warriors did. I feel the game 1 win made them a little complacent as opposed to hungrier for the win, as if they'd done what they needed to do getting out of GS 1-1

They had 4 fouls after 5 min, and again were in the penalty in the middle of the second q.

How could they be aggressive?

Tell them to quit wasting fouls on take fouls and they wouldn't have this issue. They had several of these in the first half.

Yea..
I'm sure they can avoid phantom fouling people..

[Garbanzo]

No, they had a lot of unforced turnovers and they didn't play as aggressively on defense as the Warriors did. I feel the game 1 win made them a little complacent as opposed to hungrier for the win, as if they'd done what they needed to do getting out of GS 1-1

They had 4 fouls after 5 min, and again were in the penalty in the middle of the second q.

How could they be aggressive?

Tell them to quit wasting fouls on take fouls and they wouldn't have this issue. They had several of these in the first half.

I forgot..
While at it, let's tell Grant Williams to evaporate when Draymond Green runs through him and gets the call.

That was a clear offensive foul.

[Fantaxp7]

Loss is quite obviously on the Celtics.

The refs took our momentum in the first half and gave it to the Warriors. As great as game 1 officiating was this was the polar opposite.

If we didn't have so many careless turnovers it would have been a much more interesting game.

[BudenFerry]

They had 4 fouls after 5 min, and again were in the penalty in the middle of the second q.

How could they be aggressive?

Tell them to quit wasting fouls on take fouls and they wouldn't have this issue. They had several of these in the first half.

I forgot..
While at it, let's tell Grant Williams to evaporate when Draymond Green runs through him and gets the call.

That was a clear offensive foul.

Yeah I agree on that one but one foul does not get you in foul trouble. None of the Celtics were in serious foul trouble ever.

[Garbanzo]

Tell them to quit wasting fouls on take fouls and they wouldn't have this issue. They had several of these in the first half.

I forgot..
While at it, let's tell Grant Williams to evaporate when Draymond Green runs through him and gets the call.

That was a clear offensive foul.

Yeah I agree on that one but one foul does not get you in foul trouble. None of the Celtics were in serious foul trouble ever.

Off course one foul does not get you in foul trouble, but I think that's not the only case.

[watch1958]

I’m not sure about board etiquette, but if a Warriors fan started this thread, isn’t that being a troll?

[hugepatsfan]

Tell them to quit wasting fouls on take fouls and they wouldn't have this issue. They had several of these in the first half.

I forgot..
While at it, let's tell Grant Williams to evaporate when Draymond Green runs through him and gets the call.

That was a clear offensive foul.

Yeah I agree on that one but one foul does not get you in foul trouble. None of the Celtics were in serious foul trouble ever.

I agree with you on the take fouls. Hate those. But Tatum and Brown each ended the 1st quarter with 2 fouls. One of Brown's was the bad call on GPII's layup. I don't remember his 1st. But that bad call forced us to take him out and put Tatum back in to close the 1st and then he got a bad foul on his part chasing a loose ball which was his second. But his 1st was earlier in the game on a bad call flop by Draymond.

BOS was really rolling in the 1st. They lost a lot of aggressiveness where there two best players either had to sit or play cautiously. And that carried over into the second where each of them had to play with 2 fouls and worried about picking up a 3rd before the half. I thought it had a profound impact on the 1st half. Ultimately though, they lost because they let themselves be blitzed in the third quarter.

I thought Ime should have recognized the gravity of the situation and challenged Brown's second foul. Tatum's second that he picked up was very dumb on his part. So it's not like BOS is blameless. But it's also fair, IMO, to ask that the refs don't make really bad foul calls on both of players. I think it can be both asking BOS to take accountability for their decisions and things they can control, but also ask the refs to just not be bad at their job haha

[NBA4Lyfe]

Andrew bogut already said what was happening during the warriors dynasty about how the refs would swallow their whistles when the warriors handchecked, stayed in lane more than 3 seconds on defense or were moving screens

Here is draymond explaining his preferential treatment by the league

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[Celts17Pride]

No. Celtics didn't show up to play in Game 2, the Warriors did. Pretty simple.

[Garbanzo]

I forgot..
While at it, let's tell Grant Williams to evaporate when Draymond Green runs through him and gets the call.

That was a clear offensive foul.

Yeah I agree on that one but one foul does not get you in foul trouble. None of the Celtics were in serious foul trouble ever.

I agree with you on the take fouls. Hate those. But Tatum and Brown each ended the 1st quarter with 2 fouls. One of Brown's was the bad call on GPII's layup. I don't remember his 1st. But that bad call forced us to take him out and put Tatum back in to close the 1st and then he got a bad foul on his part chasing a loose ball which was his second. But his 1st was earlier in the game on a bad call flop by Draymond.

BOS was really rolling in the 1st. They lost a lot of aggressiveness where there two best players either had to sit or play cautiously. And that carried over into the second where each of them had to play with 2 fouls and worried about picking up a 3rd before the half. I thought it had a profound impact on the 1st half. Ultimately though, they lost because they let themselves be blitzed in the third quarter.

I thought Ime should have recognized the gravity of the situation and challenged Brown's second foul. Tatum's second that he picked up was very dumb on his part. So it's not like BOS is blameless. But it's also fair, IMO, to ask that the refs don't make really bad foul calls on both of players. I think it can be both asking BOS to take accountability for their decisions and things they can control, but also ask the refs to just not be bad at their job haha

After the refs didn't overturn the foul on Grant Williams vs Butler, I don't think Ime will do that, since the chances of success are minor and you'll need the challenge for later.

[The Rebel]

I don't know, the reffing was so one sided in the 1st half I didn't bother to even watch the 2nd half.

[perempe20]

Watch on YouTube

Some terrible misses from White:
1:05 airballs a floater
1:13 misses layup (ok, this one wasn't easy)
2:30 misses left hand layup
2:53 airballs a corner three
3:05 hits the top of the backboard
3:40 misses a layup (such a bad miss! that's why I posted)
4:06 misses floater

He did some nice things on D, but that wasn't what I wanted to point out.

[hugepatsfan]

Watch on YouTube

Some terrible misses from White:
1:05 airballs a floater
1:13 misses layup (ok, this one wasn't easy)
2:30 misses left hand layup
2:53 airballs a corner three
3:05 hits the top of the backboard
3:40 misses a layup (such a bad miss! that's why I posted)
4:06 misses floater

He did some nice things on D, but that wasn't what I wanted to point out.

The top of the backboard was a heave with one second left so I'll give him a pass on that one. The missed layups/floaters were extremely frustrating though hah

[AbeVigodaLive]

NO.

The Celtics lost because they couldn't maintain their composure with the poor officiating. The Warriors are a smart, veteran team. Draymond Green is VERY smart.

He pushed the envelope early to see what he could get away with. And then some more... and then some more. He probably had about 15 "fouls"... but if they're not getting called, a smart player/team will keep pushing and pushing. If you're smart and good at it and have enough clout, you can definitely use it to swing important games.

Watching D. Green last night brought me back to watching Bruce Bowen.

I remember watching him "guard" Steve Nash in 2007. He got away with so much stuff, and would just keep pushing and pushing and pushing (literally and figuratively). In the end, despite the suspensions, despite the made or missed buckets by superstars... the series swung to SAS because of Bruce Bowen.

Simply put... a foul is only a foul if it's called.





Whether or not it's fair... whether it's frustrating to watch or not... whether it ruins some of the fun... we'll keep watching. And keep complaining.

[vulture]

only fans of the losing team believe in the refs conspiracy. Celtics didn't play well enough to win that game and they know that.
The Draymond antics were unhinged, but we all expected that from him.

[Fencer reregistered]

Nah, Celtics had plenty of chances. A lot of their offence seemed rushed.

Obviously, the disparity of the score is far beyond what one can attribute to the refs. But the refereeing was extremely favorable to the Warriors. The most egregious example was when Draymond wrapped Grant Williams up for what basically was a football tackle (or wrestling takedown), and somehow Grant was called for the foul. More important was that tough defense under the rim was only called as a foul when the Celtics were doing the defending.

In a competently refereed game, the Celtics would have had a big halftime lead before the Warriors' huge Q3 run.

[Stan]

You can't blame the refs for a game you were down 30 points in the 4th quarter lol.

[KGtabake]

No. They were better. On to the next please.

[meekrab]

The Celtics shot 10-37 on 2 pointers before Udoka threw the white flag and pulled his starters. Sure the refs were biased but they didn't cause the whole team to forget how to put the ball in the hoop.