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[jute2003]

I would listen to arguments for eliminating the corner 3. I dont want to see them change court or ball dimensions though.

[emunney]

I'm not sure if I'd expect the ball dimensions changing to have a disproportionate effect on outside shooting. Every shot would be harder, ball-handlers would be devastated, deflections would go up. It would be a disaster. Not that it would ever happen.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Flopping should be treated like a flagrant foul. It's not a basketball play. Put it on the flagrant system with points and suspensions and make it something they can retroactively hit guys with after reviewing the tape.

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[Licensed to Il]

Flopping should be treated like a flagrant foul. It's not a basketball play. Put it on the flagrant system with points and suspensions and make it something they can retroactively hit guys with after reviewing the tape.

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Serious question, but also please read it in a Milhouse nerd voice: with the on court speed tracking equipment already in place, doesn’t the league already have the infrastructure in place to conclusively prove what is a flop? Wouldnt the data be different on a flop than a guy that got legitimately steamrolled? Like Weep said, you could retroactively punish floppers.

[DingleJerry]

Flopping should be treated like a flagrant foul. It's not a basketball play. Put it on the flagrant system with points and suspensions and make it something they can retroactively hit guys with after reviewing the tape.

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I'd even have it be an in game thing to review. Not by the refs on the floor, but someone in NY watching replays to buzz in and assess a flagrant/T or whatever they want to call it for egregious flops. Reward 1 or 2 FTs for it at next stoppage. Sure, you'd have to have a high standard to be an egregious flop but this would greatly reduce most of the ridiculous ones that we've all laughed at Boston for this playoffs.

[sidney lanier]

I'm not sure if I'd expect the ball dimensions changing to have a disproportionate effect on outside shooting. Every shot would be harder, ball-handlers would be devastated, deflections would go up. It would be a disaster. Not that it would ever happen.

I agree that there isn't one chance in a thousand they would ever adopt this change, but if they did I think it would affect shots pretty much as a function of distance, mostly because of the difference in the ball-to-rim ratio, not the size of the ball (NBA players would have no problem with a slight ball size change, at least for shooting, but I agree deflections/steals would go up).

As for ball-handling, this guy seems OK with the 33" ball. (At least I think that's what he's dribbling.)

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[FlagsFlyForever]

Serious question, but also please read it in a Milhouse nerd voice: with the on court speed tracking equipment already in place, doesn’t the league already have the infrastructure in place to conclusively prove what is a flop? Wouldnt the data be different on a flop than a guy that got legitimately steamrolled? Like Weep said, you could retroactively punish floppers.

I don't think SportVU has that capability currently but the technology does exist.

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[Antinomy]

Widening the court is interesting but it poses new problems — like the defense having to cover even more ground & 5-out offenses would become the even more norm.

You think guys are shooting too much now, just wait until the defenders have to close out from the paint to a now extra 2 feet to the corners.

To me, the most obvious change is making the mid-range jumper worth more in some regard.

As of now, any basket from 1-23 feet is worth 2 points but 24 feet & beyond is worth 3 — “analytically” it makes no sense to shoot from 15-20 feet because it’s worth the same as a shot from much closer.

The idea is to make the three point line far enough so that not only does it lower 3P% across the board and every player would attempt fewer threes, but also many players who currently shoot threes would stop shooting them entirely.

Only problem is: pushing the line 1-2 feet further back simply makes it the same distance across the court, but the shot itself isn’t necessarily more difficult,

NBA guys are already acclimated to shooting from that 24 foot distance— it would just be from a different angle.

I feel like that change would hurt defenses more because they already have to cover too much ground. The injuries might start piling up.

Adjusting the value of the mid-range shot would vastly improve overall shot diversity while not compromising the defense, imo.

Either that, or eliminating the corner 3 altogether

[Antinomy]

While we’re at it, the 3 second rule needs to abolished at some point.

It literally serves no purpose at this point with teams running 5-out offenses anyway.

Freedom of movement needs to apply to the defenses too.

[WeekapaugGroove]

While we’re at it, the 3 second rule needs to abolished at some point.

It literally serves no purpose at this point with teams running 5-out offenses anyway.

Freedom of movement needs to apply to the defenses too.

Defensive 3 second? I disagree, I'd actually go the opposite way and actually call that more. Hell I might even go back to the old man d rules so defenders actually have to stay with guys on the perimeter. I think one of the reasons teams shoot so many 3s is defenses have gotten too good at taking away the paint. Which leaves 3s and long 2s so teams shoot the 3. If you open the paint up for offenses I think that would reduce 3s.

Like I was saying earlier I think removing the corner 3 would actually have an unintended effect of teams taking even more 3s because the paint would be packed.

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[FlagsFlyForever]

Widening the court is interesting but it poses new problems — like the defense having to cover even more ground & 5-out offenses would become the even more norm.

You think guys are shooting too much now, just wait until the defenders have to close out from the paint to a now extra 2 feet to the corners.

To me, the most obvious change is making the mid-range jumper worth more in some regard.

As of now, any basket from 1-23 feet is worth 2 points but 24 feet & beyond is worth 3 — “analytically” it makes no sense to shoot from 15-20 feet because it’s worth the same as a shot from much closer.

The idea is to make the three point line far enough so that not only does it lower 3P% across the board and every player would attempt fewer threes, but also many players who currently shoot threes would stop shooting them entirely.

Only problem is: pushing the line 1-2 feet further back simply makes it the same distance across the court, but the shot itself isn’t necessarily more difficult,

NBA guys are already acclimated to shooting from that 24 foot distance— it would just be from a different angle.

I feel like that change would hurt defenses more because they already have to cover too much ground. The injuries might start piling up.

Adjusting the value of the mid-range shot would vastly improve overall shot diversity while not compromising the defense, imo.

Either that, or eliminating the corner 3 altogether

NBA teams make corner threes at approximately a 39% rate. Moving the corner three back would absolutely make that shot more difficult.

Take Brook Lopez for example. Since he started shooting threes over the past six seasons, Brook is a 41% three point shooter in the corner (338 attempts). When he's not in the corner, Brook is a 33% three point shooter (1545 attempts).

[stellation]

Was that acknowledgement of troops a Memorial Day thing or just a regular American life thing?

[WeekapaugGroove]

Some home cooking?

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[Milbucks96]

You can’t post up no more, defender falls down with any contact.

[blazza18]

Steph's first foul was awful and Boston went at him over and over to get his 2nd.

Brown having one of those stretches again where he looks like the best player in the league.

[Matches Malone]

You can’t post up no more, defender falls down with any contact.

It's the gold standard of playing defense in 2022, unfortunately.

[Milbucks96]

Warriors are going to get blown out but old heads will look at the score and blame the 3 pointers

[VooDoo7]

I have an idea. Just leave the court and 3 point line the way that they are.

[Mtsportsfan]

I have an idea. Just leave the court and 3 point line the way that they are.

Why ? They haven't change the court ever except adding the 3pt line . the players now a days are huge and athletic as hell . the court was designed for six ft white guys . make the court bigger all the way around , more movement . these guys are the best , make a touch more difficult. 3pt line is a joke .

[blazza18]

Tatum puts two hands on Wiggins and then has the audacity to complain lol.