2021-22 NBA Season Discussion

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#6921 » by sp6r=underrated » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:10 am

Clyde Frazier wrote:Happiest I've been for a player since Dirk in 2011. Anyone with a brain knew curry didn't have anything to prove but he shut up a lot of idiots tonight.


I'll admit the mouthpiece thing will never not annoy me after multiple throwing incidents but he's a 21st century Russell: your appreciation of him grows the more you understand what he's doing out there.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#6922 » by falcolombardi » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:10 am

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I don't know if SA really counts as a dynasty when another team 3-peated between two of their titles. They were also so errandic in their performance between those years too.


they won 3 titles in a 5 year stretch, and were a contender the other 2

that is definetely a dinasty


They're a dynasty. If you have a ten year stretch were you have highest average SRS, avg 58 wins (pro-rated), 4 titles, 6 CF appearances (conferences were super imbalanced back then) you're a dynasty. It'd be silly to say because the Blazers choked in G7 they're excluded.

They're just in that 2nd group of team runs and I think there is a good explanation for what kept them out of that first tier.

1. Their superstar wasn't quite good enough.
2. Pop wasn't far along enough in his coaching. If he used the offensive strategies he was using in 07 for 04-06 they would better off yet alone teens.
3. I've often wondered about how much Bowen placed a ceiling their offense.


duncan is one of the greatest peaks ever by literally any measure, his plus minus metrics are as good as curry for example

plus-minus, eye test, team results all have him as at worst a peak only a notch below the goat peaks (kareem jordan and lebron if i had to pick)

the issue is that the peaks of their stars didnt overlap, from old man robinson, to duncan to ginobili, to parker to kawhi

that explains both, their prolonged greatness,and the lack of a outlier high

if you had duncan (curry), kawhi (durant), ginobili (green), parker (klay) and bowen (iguodala) all together for 3 years at their primes i guarantee it would have been a outlier team too
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#6923 » by MyUniBroDavis » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:11 am

eminence wrote:Woohoo Draymond, hell of a game from him.

Who woulda guessed that winning the turnover battle would ever propel GS to victory.


Things were looking bad for your boy but now his podcast got more popular too lol
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Post#6924 » by MyUniBroDavis » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:16 am

I usually don’t end up voting for POY but the Jokic V Curry one is gonna be spicy lol
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Post#6925 » by falcolombardi » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:17 am

MyUniBroDavis wrote:I usually don’t end up voting for POY but the Jokic V Curry one is gonna be spicy lol


i feel like a lot of posters are gonna twist themselves into pretzels to stay consistent

i have never voted so i dont have to keep any consistency 8-)
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Post#6926 » by MyUniBroDavis » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:22 am

falcolombardi wrote:
MyUniBroDavis wrote:I usually don’t end up voting for POY but the Jokic V Curry one is gonna be spicy lol


i feel like a lot of posters are gonna twist themselves into pretzels to stay consistent

i have never voted so i dont have to keep any consistency 8-)


I can’t remember the last time I voted if I ever have but If Curry didn’t win this year I’d have him third and him winning puts him first for me and I feel that genuinely might trigger someone
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Post#6927 » by parsnips33 » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:22 am

3 straight games holding Cs under 100 is huge. Draymond leading the way but the whole team was absolutely locked in
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Post#6928 » by eminence » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:25 am

falcolombardi wrote:
MyUniBroDavis wrote:I usually don’t end up voting for POY but the Jokic V Curry one is gonna be spicy lol


i feel like a lot of posters are gonna twist themselves into pretzels to stay consistent

i have never voted so i dont have to keep any consistency 8-)


You lucky man.

I'm leaning Curry as of this instant, but need to let it cool a bit. Basic reasoning - I look at the season, and what more could've I asked Curry to accomplish going into it? He's not someone I need to prove much in the RS, but still had a strong top 5 one conservatively (award voters are dumb), and was then the best player over the course of the playoffs as he took his team to the title never facing elimination.
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Post#6929 » by MyUniBroDavis » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:27 am

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falcolombardi wrote:
MyUniBroDavis wrote:I usually don’t end up voting for POY but the Jokic V Curry one is gonna be spicy lol


i feel like a lot of posters are gonna twist themselves into pretzels to stay consistent

i have never voted so i dont have to keep any consistency 8-)


You lucky man.

I'm leaning Curry as of this instant, but need to let it cool a bit. Basic reasoning - I look at the season, and what more could've I asked Curry to accomplish going into it? He's not someone I need to prove much in the RS, but still had a strong top 5 one conservatively (award voters are dumb), and was then the best player over the course of the playoffs as he took his team to the title never facing elimination.


All NBA second guard player of the year Curry

On a serious note how much the Warriors offense flourished with Curry against everyone except memphis def moves me into thinking the Warriors offense is better than the pacers offense
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Post#6930 » by ShotCreator » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:28 am

This season felt like a simulated 2K season, right after the season the game was based on, save for whatever you would call what Jokic did this year.

Clearly past peak/prime: LeBron, Harden, Curry, Davis, Durant, Paul, all just limping around. Kawhi basically retired again.

Literally sad to watch half those names this year, Curry included, because you can just feel how done the 10’s era is. I’ve spent the whole year reflecting on the 10’s and eras before that, but mainly the 10’s.


Amazing primes and players down to role guys and hustle players. It’s my definitive era as a fan.

But boy I hope the new era comes on strong, and soon. No new discoveries with this GS team. God bless the FO for having god level scouting to build a team this good around Curry/Dray but I’m bored of them on a spiritual level.

Logistically a motion offense with dynamic movement is just the hardest play style to guard, ever. GS wears down even good smart defenses like 19 Houston and 22 Boston with the style but yawn man.

If this decades keeps stagnating as far as new talent hopefully Kawhi comes back strong.

Talent has been getting exponentially better every half decade since the late 90’s it feels so it’s only a matter of luck and randomness before someone outside Luka/Giannis/Jokic is clearly looking to own the 2020’s. I mean Curry didn’t really pop off until LeBron left Miami.


That still feels like a different era. I remember Curry feeling like more of a guy you’d tell your kids about like,”he could really really shoot”, while he was really good and that’s it. Basically Prime Penny or KJ kind of nostalgic player of the era, who could get underrated and you’d talk him up, and then after 2014 he leads a career into this. Insane decade and era. And I’m looking for some more insane twists.
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Post#6931 » by Lou Fan » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:32 am

MyUniBroDavis wrote:
eminence wrote:
falcolombardi wrote:
i feel like a lot of posters are gonna twist themselves into pretzels to stay consistent

i have never voted so i dont have to keep any consistency 8-)


You lucky man.

I'm leaning Curry as of this instant, but need to let it cool a bit. Basic reasoning - I look at the season, and what more could've I asked Curry to accomplish going into it? He's not someone I need to prove much in the RS, but still had a strong top 5 one conservatively (award voters are dumb), and was then the best player over the course of the playoffs as he took his team to the title never facing elimination.


All NBA second guard player of the year Curry

On a serious note how much the Warriors offense flourished with Curry against everyone except memphis def moves me into thinking the Warriors offense is better than the pacers offense

The difference in the Warriors offensive rating with and without Curry this series is absolutely ridiculous. He elevated a mediocre offensive cast into one of the best playoff offenses this year.
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Post#6932 » by MyUniBroDavis » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:34 am

Lou Fan wrote:
MyUniBroDavis wrote:
eminence wrote:
You lucky man.

I'm leaning Curry as of this instant, but need to let it cool a bit. Basic reasoning - I look at the season, and what more could've I asked Curry to accomplish going into it? He's not someone I need to prove much in the RS, but still had a strong top 5 one conservatively (award voters are dumb), and was then the best player over the course of the playoffs as he took his team to the title never facing elimination.


All NBA second guard player of the year Curry

On a serious note how much the Warriors offense flourished with Curry against everyone except memphis def moves me into thinking the Warriors offense is better than the pacers offense

The difference in the Warriors offensive rating with and without Curry this series is absolutely ridiculous. He elevated a mediocre offensive cast into one of the best playoff offenses this year.


Tbf they were shooting well this run relatively, but yeah this is the worst offensive supporting cast all things considered
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Post#6933 » by falcolombardi » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:35 am

ShotCreator wrote:This season felt like a simulated 2K season, right after the season the game was based on, save for whatever you would call what Jokic did this year.

Clearly past peak/prime: LeBron, Harden, Curry, Davis, Durant, Paul, all just limping around. Kawhi basically retired again.

Literally sad to watch half those names this year, Curry included, because you can just feel how done the 10’s era is. I’ve spent the whole year reflecting on the 10’s and eras before that, but mainly the 10’s.


Amazing primes and players down to role guys and hustle players. It’s my definitive era as a fan.

But boy I hope the new era comes on strong, and soon. No new discoveries with this GS team. God bless the FO for having god level scouting to build a team this good around Curry/Dray but I’m bored of them on a spiritual level.

Logistically a motion offense with dynamic movement is just the hardest play style to guard, ever. GS wears down even good smart defenses like 19 Houston and 22 Boston with the style but yawn man.

If this decades keeps stagnating as far as new talent hopefully Kawhi comes back strong.

Talent has been getting exponentially better every half decade since the late 90’s it feels so it’s only a matter of luck and randomness before someone outside Luka/Giannis/Jokic is clearly looking to own the 2020’s. I mean Curry didn’t really pop off until LeBron left Miami.


That still feels like a different era. I remember Curry feeling like more of a guy you’d tell your kids about like,”he could really really shoot”, while he was really good and that’s it. Basically Prime Penny or KJ kind of nostalgic player of the era, who could get underrated and you’d talk him up, and then after 2014 he leads a career into this. Insane decade and era. And I’m looking for some more insane twists.


mid 30's is usually a hard ceiling for players to remain in their prime after

if is not the physical decline is usually the injuries that get them

between lebron age, curry being 35 next year, kawho health, harden decline, durant being 34 the era is in its last gasps

the 2020-2022 feels like the transition period to the era of giannis, jokic, luka, and whoever player or team steps up

kawhi if he becpmes healthier or durant and curry if they have unpredented smooth declines may bridge the transition for the next few years
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Post#6934 » by Dr Positivity » Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:30 am

Things that killed the Celtics for me

- Rebounding: they have Horford/Williams frontcourt and massive perimeter of Smart, Brown and Tatum, and Warriors not just survived benching the Draymond Looney frontcourt which was killing them on offense, but actually did great rebounding in the two wins in Boston.

- They had all the negatives of playing Smart at PG and none of the positives, he couldn't really lock in down in terms of ballhandling to prevent turnovers, and he got humiliated on defense. One of the worst DPOYs since Camby.

The bad turnovers and weak rebounding allowed the Warriors to play more in transition and get away from strong Celtics halfcourt defense.
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Post#6935 » by TheGOATRises007 » Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:31 am

Dr Positivity wrote:Things that killed the Celtics for me

- Rebounding: they have Horford/Williams frontcourt and massive perimeter of Smart, Brown and Tatum, and Warriors not just survived benching the Draymond Looney frontcourt which was killing them on offense, but actually did great rebounding in the two wins in Boston.

- They had all the negatives of playing Smart at PG and none of the positives, he couldn't really lock in down in terms of ballhandling to prevent turnovers, and he got humiliated on defense. One of the worst DPOYs since Camby.


Another thing is that Wiggins probably outplayed Tatum in the series or at least matched him and the Celtics couldn't afford that at all.
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Post#6936 » by TheGOATRises007 » Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:58 am

Anyone else really impressed with Curry's defense towards the end of the series?

Further credence for his lower box score stats throughout the RS because of increased/improved workload and effort on defense.

This is definitely the best series of his career.
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Post#6937 » by SpreeS » Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:22 am

Dr Positivity wrote:Things that killed the Celtics for me

- Rebounding: they have Horford/Williams frontcourt and massive perimeter of Smart, Brown and Tatum, and Warriors not just survived benching the Draymond Looney frontcourt which was killing them on offense, but actually did great rebounding in the two wins in Boston.

- They had all the negatives of playing Smart at PG and none of the positives, he couldn't really lock in down in terms of ballhandling to prevent turnovers, and he got humiliated on defense. One of the worst DPOYs since Camby.

The bad turnovers and weak rebounding allowed the Warriors to play more in transition and get away from strong Celtics halfcourt defense.


5 things why did BOS lost

1. Two 7 games series before Finals
2. GSW had the best player by quite big margin
3. Coaching staff. Kerr/Brown/Atkins/Adams >>>>Udoka and ......
4. GSW players experience
5. Way better bench players
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Post#6938 » by Gooner » Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:49 am

Congrats to the Warriors. They represent the standard that everybody else tries to follow. One of the best teams in history.
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Post#6939 » by WestGOAT » Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:55 am

GSP wrote:Congrats to Warriors series went largely like i thought it would. We hit our ceiling with the Jays sadly

The minority here on the Steph VS Cp3 "debate" compared to the rest of the world might be the widest ever lmaoooooo imagine thinking Cp3 is close to this guy :crazy: :crazy: youll already get laughed out of a room by 99% of the population and its only gonna get worse


yup back in 2020 with CP3 being ranked above Curry in the RealGM Top 100 list made me cringe so badly :noway:
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Post#6940 » by ardee » Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:23 am

GSP wrote:Congrats to Warriors series went largely like i thought it would. We hit our ceiling with the Jays sadly

The minority here on the Steph VS Cp3 "debate" compared to the rest of the world might be the widest ever lmaoooooo imagine thinking Cp3 is close to this guy :crazy: :crazy: youll already get laughed out of a room by 99% of the population and its only gonna get worse


Just saying, there are a lot of opinions held by a good portion of this board that would "get laughed out of a room by 99% of the population". Not saying Curry isn't better, but cmon.

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