The TRADE Thread 2021

[OGSactownballer]

Shams reporting Mcnair has been looking at a trade for John Collins that doesn't include the 4 pick. I wonder what that package would look like?

Ham says the two teams were close to a deal for Collins at the deadline, but in the end ATL backed off. My guess is Barnes + a future protected 1st.

You’re reading my mind here.

I feel like McNair was probably reluctant to do a future first at the deadline because he had not nailed down Sabonis and didn’t know what that would look like.

But once the team went into its current look and he had an idea of what his foundation looked like Collins now makes too much basketball sense as far as overall improvement goes not to do that. As well you already know what he’s costing you and how long so you can work around his money. And he’s locked up for a while so no need to be sweating the usual “is he going to walk from Sac” routine.

That still leaves us sitting with #4 and plenty of other parts/money that is easily moveable. A nice position to be in to make the leap to playoff contender.

[LightTheBeam]

Shams reporting Mcnair has been looking at a trade for John Collins that doesn't include the 4 pick. I wonder what that package would look like?

Ham says the two teams were close to a deal for Collins at the deadline, but in the end ATL backed off. My guess is Barnes + a future protected 1st.

You’re reading my mind here.

I feel like McNair was probably reluctant to do a future first at the deadline because he had not nailed down Sabonis and didn’t know what that would look like.

But once the team went into its current look and he had an idea of what his foundation looked like Collins now makes too much basketball sense as far as overall improvement goes not to do that. As well you already know what he’s costing you and how long so you can work around his money. And he’s locked up for a while so no need to be sweating the usual “is he going to walk from Sac” routine.

That still leaves us sitting with #4 and plenty of other parts/money that is easily moveable. A nice position to be in to make the leap to playoff contender.

And yet a massive whole at the 3. I know we all want to fill the 4 spot, but IMO its much harder to fill that 3 spot in the current NBA.

[City of Trees]

Ham says the two teams were close to a deal for Collins at the deadline, but in the end ATL backed off. My guess is Barnes + a future protected 1st.

You’re reading my mind here.

I feel like McNair was probably reluctant to do a future first at the deadline because he had not nailed down Sabonis and didn’t know what that would look like.

But once the team went into its current look and he had an idea of what his foundation looked like Collins now makes too much basketball sense as far as overall improvement goes not to do that. As well you already know what he’s costing you and how long so you can work around his money. And he’s locked up for a while so no need to be sweating the usual “is he going to walk from Sac” routine.

That still leaves us sitting with #4 and plenty of other parts/money that is easily moveable. A nice position to be in to make the leap to playoff contender.

And yet a massive whole at the 3. I know we all want to fill the 4 spot, but IMO its much harder to fill that 3 spot in the current NBA.

It's easier to sell a 3 and D wing on signing here when you can show them this

Fox
Ivey
*This is YOU*
Collins
Sabonis

[LightTheBeam]

You’re reading my mind here.

I feel like McNair was probably reluctant to do a future first at the deadline because he had not nailed down Sabonis and didn’t know what that would look like.

But once the team went into its current look and he had an idea of what his foundation looked like Collins now makes too much basketball sense as far as overall improvement goes not to do that. As well you already know what he’s costing you and how long so you can work around his money. And he’s locked up for a while so no need to be sweating the usual “is he going to walk from Sac” routine.

That still leaves us sitting with #4 and plenty of other parts/money that is easily moveable. A nice position to be in to make the leap to playoff contender.

And yet a massive whole at the 3. I know we all want to fill the 4 spot, but IMO its much harder to fill that 3 spot in the current NBA.

It's easier to sell a 3 and D wing on signing here when you can show them this

Fox
Ivey
*This is YOU*
Collins
Sabonis

Which 3&D D wing is available? Kyle Anderson is the only arguable one, and he probably fits better as a 4 in today's NBA.

Couldn't we do the same thing but with Barnes?

Fox
Ivey
Barnes
*This is YOU*
Sabonis

Oh and btw we still have our future 1st + Holmes/Holiday to swing for another good player.

Idk IMO, the majority of the guys available via trade/free agency are going to be 4's not 3's. OPJ, Anderson, Grant, Morris, Kuzma.. These guys are all 4's.

Also what exactly did Collins do better than Barnes last year? They were very similar players. Edge to Collins on Rebounding/Interior defense/Age.. Edge to Barnes on efficiency, perimeter defense, 3pt shooting, price.

I don't mind the Ivey/Collins strategy, but the deal should be re-routing Holmes to a 3rd team for value + a future 1st.

LAC out: Morris
LAC in: Len, Holmes

ATL out: Collins
ATL in: Holiday, Morris, Future Kings 1st

Sac out: Holmes, Len, Holiday, Future 1st
Sac in: Collins

This gets us Collins without having a massive hole at the 3 spot that is practically unfillable. We can still target OPJ or Anderson to help backup the forward spot.

Fox/Mitchell
Ivey/Davis
Barnes/Harkless
Collins/OPJ
Sabonis/Jones

[BoogieTime]

not seeing Collins without the 4 involved. not sure our unprotected next year would do it. If Huerter was better, I'd wonder about Collins/Huerter/16 for 4, but hes not quite as appetizing

[OxAndFox]

If it was Holmes/Holiday/Future pick then I can get on board. Select Ivey and move on.

If it's Barnes for Collins then wouldn't that open it up for Kings to move down and take Daniels/Mathurin?

[City of Trees]

If it was Holmes/Holiday/Future pick then I can get on board. Select Ivey and move on.

If it's Barnes for Collins then wouldn't that open it up for Kings to move down and take Daniels/Mathurin?

Not entirely. Davion eventually finds himself odd man out if Fox is viewed as part of the core with Ivey, Collins, and Sabonis.

Davion could find himself on the move if Ivey is picked. Does Davion carry enough value to get the Kings back into range for wing defenders like Eason/Sochan, ect

[OxAndFox]

If it was Holmes/Holiday/Future pick then I can get on board. Select Ivey and move on.

If it's Barnes for Collins then wouldn't that open it up for Kings to move down and take Daniels/Mathurin?

Not entirely. Davion eventually finds himself odd man out if Fox is viewed as part of the core with Ivey, Collins, and Sabonis.

Davion could find himself on the move if Ivey is picked. Does Davion carry enough value to get the Kings back into range for wing defenders like Eason/Sochan, ect

Good question.
I haven't thought about Davion on the move as there's been plenty of chatter that he is one of the guys that aren't available and will be on the roster at least to start the season.
That's not to say if a deal became available that Monte simply can't refuse he would knock it back.

[City of Trees]

Also what exactly did Collins do better than Barnes last year? They were very similar players. Edge to Collins on Rebounding/Interior defense/Age.. Edge to Barnes on efficiency, perimeter defense, 3pt shooting, price.

Collins is 24, similar production to Barnes, and yet to hit his prime. Barnes is exiting his prime and likely gone after next season regardless of how the season goes. Kings get younger and establish a building block which aligns with the timeline. FWIW Collins had a finger injury last season.

[FAH1223]

Would you guys take Kuzma and #10 for the 4 pick? Would that get you in the playoffs?

If Banchero is not available at 4, I would do Kuz, Deni, and #10 for 4. Though it sounds like the Kings are looking for a whole lot more than that to move down.

Wizards twitter is obsessed with moving up to 4.

I put this trade up on Twitter.


Do you want Kispert or Rui too? Wiz fans want to throw everything to get Ivey.

The desperation is incredible by the fanbase. Satoransky is returning to Europe. There's no PG under contract.

[City of Trees]

Wizards twitter is obsessed with moving up to 4.

I put this trade up on Twitter.


Do you want Kispert or Rui too? Wiz fans want to throw everything to get Ivey.

The desperation is incredible by the fanbase. Satoransky is returning to Europe. There's no PG under contract.

I don't like this deal for Sacramento. IMO, Kuzma and Deni aren't the kind of "Win now" pieces to justify moving off 4. Plus, do you honestly believe Kuzma would re sign in Sacramento? The kid wants all the lights on him and Sac isn't that.

My counter as you probably saw on the board: Kings draft Ivey, Wiz trade 10 for Davion.

Davion/37/future 2nd for 10/Ish Smith

[LightTheBeam]

Also what exactly did Collins do better than Barnes last year? They were very similar players. Edge to Collins on Rebounding/Interior defense/Age.. Edge to Barnes on efficiency, perimeter defense, 3pt shooting, price.

Collins is 24, similar production to Barnes, and yet to hit his prime. Barnes is exiting his prime and likely gone after next season regardless of how the season goes. Kings get younger and establish a building block which aligns with the timeline. FWIW Collins had a finger injury last season.

You cut my entire post. Of course I would swap them equally in a vacuum. That is a no brainer.

But the team wants to win now, and you haven't addresses who exactly this 3&D player is that is walking through that door to man the 3 spot. And you've used #4 on Ivey, and traded a future 1st to get Collins.

It all seems so nice hypothetically until you try to think of a single realistic example of a guy who is available to fill that spot. So again to me it comes down to

Ivey + Barnes + (potentially 2 of) OPJ/Anderson/Morris

or

Ivey + Holiday/Bruce Brown (using Bruce as example as hes probably the only decent 3 available) + Collins

If I'm trying to win the next 2-3 years, I'm taking the top group pretty easily. I mean unless you are comfortable putting one of those 4's out of position (which I am clearly not), then I don't see another argument. But I'm all ears.

Edit: The craziest thing is I'm probably one of the harshest people when it comes to Barnes. I'm not a big fan, hes just meh and disappears a lot of the times, doesn't shoot as much as Id like him to. But the fact still remains that filling his spot is the toughest thing in the NBA right now. Can never have too many of those 3/4s.

[LightTheBeam]

Would you guys take Kuzma and #10 for the 4 pick? Would that get you in the playoffs?

If Banchero is not available at 4, I would do Kuz, Deni, and #10 for 4. Though it sounds like the Kings are looking for a whole lot more than that to move down.

Wizards twitter is obsessed with moving up to 4.

I put this trade up on Twitter.


Do you want Kispert or Rui too? Wiz fans want to throw everything to get Ivey.

The desperation is incredible by the fanbase. Satoransky is returning to Europe. There's no PG under contract.

I saw something similar to this on Wizards reddit. But it was

#4 + Harkless + Len + Holiday

For

#10 + Deni + Kuzma + a future 1st

Allowing the Kings to keep Barnes and then possibly draft a Davis, Mathurin, Sharpe, Daniels whoever ends up being available at 10. I'm not a big fan of the deal as I don't see any of the Wizards guys as enough to get me to drop out 2 tiers, but others may disagree.

[sackings916]

Would you guys take Kuzma and #10 for the 4 pick? Would that get you in the playoffs?

If Banchero is not available at 4, I would do Kuz, Deni, and #10 for 4. Though it sounds like the Kings are looking for a whole lot more than that to move down.

Wizards twitter is obsessed with moving up to 4.

I put this trade up on Twitter.


Do you want Kispert or Rui too? Wiz fans want to throw everything to get Ivey.

The desperation is incredible by the fanbase. Satoransky is returning to Europe. There's no PG under contract.

Don’t see how this is fair? Sac shouldn’t be throwing in Barnes.

[Silver Man]

If Banchero is not available at 4, I would do Kuz, Deni, and #10 for 4. Though it sounds like the Kings are looking for a whole lot more than that to move down.

Wizards twitter is obsessed with moving up to 4.

I put this trade up on Twitter.


Do you want Kispert or Rui too? Wiz fans want to throw everything to get Ivey.

The desperation is incredible by the fanbase. Satoransky is returning to Europe. There's no PG under contract.

Don’t see how this is fair? Sac shouldn’t be throwing in Barnes.

Yeah I wouldn't even do that package if it was just the 4th pick. Adding in Barnes is laughable value.

[FAH1223]

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Wizards twitter is obsessed with moving up to 4.

I put this trade up on Twitter.


Do you want Kispert or Rui too? Wiz fans want to throw everything to get Ivey.

The desperation is incredible by the fanbase. Satoransky is returning to Europe. There's no PG under contract.

Don’t see how this is fair? Sac shouldn’t be throwing in Barnes.

Yeah I wouldn't even do that package if it was just the 4th pick. Adding in Barnes is laughable value.

Did it to match salaries

[OxAndFox]

With the recent report the Hornets might be reluctant to match a max offer for Miles Bridges, does anyone see the Kings being players here?

[LightTheBeam]

With the recent report the Hornets might be reluctant to match a max offer for Miles Bridges, does anyone see the Kings being players here?

We don't have cap space. I guess we could dump Barnes + Holmes, but that's pretty unrealistic.

[OxAndFox]

With the recent report the Hornets might be reluctant to match a max offer for Miles Bridges, does anyone see the Kings being players here?

We don't have cap space. I guess we could dump Barnes + Holmes, but that's pretty unrealistic.

Does anyone project to have cap space when accounting for cap holds etc?
I can't see anyone having enough to sign him outright (I can't remember what his starting figure would be) so it's going to have to be a S&T anyway and I guess the Hornets are going to be looking to get rid of Hayward as well. The Kings can make that happen, and if they want to keep Bridges and just offload Hayward with the picks then I think the Kings can offer decent expiring and Holmes for Hayward and the picks.

[OxAndFox]

It looks like Detroit and Orlando could have enough.
Detroit could possibly still get there without renouncing Bagley, but I think Orlando would have to renounce Mo Bamba and more?