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Steve Novack..... 

Post#1 » by knicknack » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:48 am

How come we don't seem to have any plays run specifically for Novacain????

I'm tired of hearing every analyst and commentator label him, "The best shooter in the NBA" and we barely get him the shot attempts he deserves or what we need to win during games against great defending teams like the heat. Just baffling, you know he would love a larger, more significant role to be part of, could be the main reason (after money) why he bolts after this season.

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Post#2 » by Thugger HBC » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:52 am

Mainly because shooting threes isn't the way to beat Miami.

There's a reason why they willing give those up than they do points in the paint.

But the bigger question is, what is Novak to do on the other side of the court while he's getting these minutes?
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Post#3 » by Bran Fast Hands » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:55 am

We need Baren David to kick the ball to Steve Novack in the corner more, Lundry Fields can look for the offensive board.
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Post#4 » by StyLeD » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:59 am

Only JR Smith (and formerly Lin) look to pass to Novak. There are some set plays for Novak though. They're run off timeouts and such, which is why we don't see them as often. I think it won't hurt to give Novak more plays when he's on the court though. However, he already averages a respectable fgm/fga per game.
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Post#5 » by MelosSoreWrist » Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:44 am

I'm not sure Novak has the kind of game like Ray Allen, Reggie Miller and Rip Hamilton, who run back and forth around screens for a window for a shot. He seems more comfortable laying back and catch and shooting or fading out from a singular pick and shooting... which means you dont run very many plays specifically for him. He's like a running back outlet in football. Guys have to break down the defense or command double teams to get Novak a shot.
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Post#6 » by knicknack » Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:15 am

Thugger HBC wrote:Mainly because shooting threes isn't the way to beat Miami.

There's a reason why they willing give those up than they do points in the paint.

But the bigger question is, what is Novak to do on the other side of the court while he's getting these minutes?


I definetly realize his deficiencies on defense, rebounding, shooting while moving, etc. but its time to get creative and surprise the cHeat as they did Melo with defending him this past game......we lose more games because teams surprise us with something new while we continue to be predictable.

I'm just saying, a near 50% 3-pt shooter and over 90% free-throw shooter has to be able to give us more on offense. If nothing else as a decoy at times to open up the offense and give Amare, Melo and Tyson more room to work with, and I'm not exactly talking about running down the floor at every chance and waiting in the corner, aka Fields.

Speaking of running down the court, I see way to many guys running down court before we secure a rebound on defense (one reason we often get killed on the boards), only to just wait for the rest of the team to catch up or take the ball out after a rebound and score on us. Consequently, often after a shot goes up on offense, I often see guys watching to see what happens before running back on defense. We've been playing well but we need to be a little more disciplined and focused instead of what I just mentioned as well as complaining to the refs when we don't get a call and the play is still active.

You make excellent points regarding this topic. We can do this!!! Unfortunately, if we don't people will buy into the Melo and Amare can't play together theory......this may be proven to be true, at least for this year.
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Post#7 » by Orange Mamba » Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:43 am

Bran Fast Hands wrote:We need Baren David to kick the ball to Steve Novack in the corner more, Lundry Fields can look for the offensive board.


You spelled Baren Davids wrong.
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Post#8 » by PrecociousNeoph » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:44 am

they do some times run plays where he is the first option, most of the time he's on the floor he is the 2nd or 3rd option depending on what players are out there with him

unfortunately to run any kind of play you sort of need a point guard. we have 1.5 of those, and with Lin injured that leaves us with 0.5 point guards on the team in davis
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Post#9 » by phoenixx » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:29 am

If the Knicks can have someone drive to the rim and draw defenders, then pass, then yes, Novak can be of use in plays. But who actually drives to the rim often? It used to be Lin, but he's out.
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Post#10 » by Thugger HBC » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:26 am

knicknack wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:Mainly because shooting threes isn't the way to beat Miami.

There's a reason why they willing give those up than they do points in the paint.

But the bigger question is, what is Novak to do on the other side of the court while he's getting these minutes?


I definetly realize his deficiencies on defense, rebounding, shooting while moving, etc. but its time to get creative and surprise the cHeat as they did Melo with defending him this past game......we lose more games because teams surprise us with something new while we continue to be predictable.

I'm just saying, a near 50% 3-pt shooter and over 90% free-throw shooter has to be able to give us more on offense. If nothing else as a decoy at times to open up the offense and give Amare, Melo and Tyson more room to work with, and I'm not exactly talking about running down the floor at every chance and waiting in the corner, aka Fields.

Speaking of running down the court, I see way to many guys running down court before we secure a rebound on defense (one reason we often get killed on the boards), only to just wait for the rest of the team to catch up or take the ball out after a rebound and score on us. Consequently, often after a shot goes up on offense, I often see guys watching to see what happens before running back on defense. We've been playing well but we need to be a little more disciplined and focused instead of what I just mentioned as well as complaining to the refs when we don't get a call and the play is still active.

You make excellent points regarding this topic. We can do this!!! Unfortunately, if we don't people will buy into the Melo and Amare can't play together theory......this may be proven to be true, at least for this year.


Good points, the thing about though is, the only true way to beat Miami is to attack the rim, not a 3pt barrage.

Shooting jumpers plays to their hands too easily.

Don't get me wrong, I did feel Novak should have gotten more attempts considering how many minutes he got, but at most he can help keep the game close.

It will always come back to Stat and Melo dominating they way they can.

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Post#11 » by knicknack » Tue May 1, 2012 3:58 am

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knicknack wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:Mainly because shooting threes isn't the way to beat Miami.

There's a reason why they willing give those up than they do points in the paint.

But the bigger question is, what is Novak to do on the other side of the court while he's getting these minutes?


I definetly realize his deficiencies on defense, rebounding, shooting while moving, etc. but its time to get creative and surprise the cHeat as they did Melo with defending him this past game......we lose more games because teams surprise us with something new while we continue to be predictable.

I'm just saying, a near 50% 3-pt shooter and over 90% free-throw shooter has to be able to give us more on offense. If nothing else as a decoy at times to open up the offense and give Amare, Melo and Tyson more room to work with, and I'm not exactly talking about running down the floor at every chance and waiting in the corner, aka Fields.

Speaking of running down the court, I see way to many guys running down court before we secure a rebound on defense (one reason we often get killed on the boards), only to just wait for the rest of the team to catch up or take the ball out after a rebound and score on us. Consequently, often after a shot goes up on offense, I often see guys watching to see what happens before running back on defense. We've been playing well but we need to be a little more disciplined and focused instead of what I just mentioned as well as complaining to the refs when we don't get a call and the play is still active.

You make excellent points regarding this topic. We can do this!!! Unfortunately, if we don't people will buy into the Melo and Amare can't play together theory......this may be proven to be true, at least for this year.


Good points, the thing about though is, the only true way to beat Miami is to attack the rim, not a 3pt barrage.

Shooting jumpers plays to their hands too easily.

Don't get me wrong, I did feel Novak should have gotten more attempts considering how many minutes he got, but at most he can help keep the game close.

It will always come back to Stat and Melo dominating they way they can.

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Post#12 » by EchelonNYK » Tue May 1, 2012 3:59 am

Spell his name right!! Everything is pissing me off tonight.
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Re: Steve Novack..... 

Post#13 » by MeloCity » Tue May 1, 2012 4:05 am

The main reson is cause chandler is the only one that could set a good pick to free him up amare' just stops a guy and runs down for the roll chandler is usuaLly the one freeing up our guards from heat swarming d
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Re: Steve Novack..... 

Post#14 » by markdeez33 » Tue May 1, 2012 4:43 am

NOVACK??? YOU MEAN NOVAK??? WTF
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Re: Steve Novack..... 

Post#15 » by GONYK » Tue May 1, 2012 4:43 am

Baren Davids approves of this thread title
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Post#16 » by Hodges4Three » Tue May 1, 2012 4:43 am

Mike Miller and Battier are getting and hitting more attempts at 3 than Novak is at this point. He shot what, 2 game 1 and 1 in game 2? He's hit all of them. How about getting him some more looks via screens/ball movement instead of pass/dribble while trying to iso, pass to next guy/dribble while trying to iso, pass again, chuck up a bad shot with time running out on the clock.
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Post#17 » by GONYK » Tue May 1, 2012 4:44 am

Hodges4Three wrote:Mike Miller and Battier are getting and hitting more attempts at 3 than Novak is at this point. He shot what, 2 game 1 and 1 in game 2? He's hit all of them. How about getting him some more looks via screens/ball movement instead of pass/dribble while trying to iso, pass to next guy/dribble while trying to iso, pass again, chuck up a bad shot with time running out on the clock.


Miller and Battier get open because Lebron and Wade can break down the defense.

We don't have that
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Re: Steve Novack..... 

Post#18 » by hatnlvr » Tue May 1, 2012 11:27 am

Novak has been smothered on the perimeter and isn't getting any looks. They have done a good job of covering him and taking the ball out of his hands and he can't create his own shot (so that is why he isn't getting any shots).

They are passing it to him but Miami has done a great job of covering him with Wade or Lebron. Give the defense some credit here guys, not everything is the Knicks fault.
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Re: Steve Novack..... 

Post#19 » by denterprise » Tue May 1, 2012 3:00 pm

hatnlvr wrote:... They have done a good job of covering him and taking the ball out of his hands and he can't create his own shot .


Another reason we have a very good chance of re-signing him. Not many teams will offer him much more than we can offer.

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