2023 NBA Draft Thread 4

[basketballRob]

If we draft Jarace #6, I like Bufkin at #11.

[basketballRob]

Reading through a few Rockets boards and the majority of fans like Black. It looks like 60% for Black, 20% for Cam, and 20% for Amen.

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[tiderulz]

I personally dont like this draft for us and I'd prefer to just trade out completely.

It would be a nice outcome to get Simons for G-Harris, the 6 and the 2025 Denver FRP pick. The 11 can be used for bench depth. (in part I hope the Magic keep the 11 just so we can see how bad the Bulls trade becomes for Chicago ).

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i dont think it takes #6 to get Simons.

[89Magicfan]

I personally dont like this draft for us and I'd prefer to just trade out completely. Most years I have a strong opinion on the draft. This year is just meh to me. Way different from last year. I was sold 100% sold on Paolo after the Texas Tech game in the tournament. Im not 100% sold on anyone except Wemby this year. Im def curious on what both picks could net us in a trade.

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I’m pretty sold on Scoot.

Im not. I've watched a bunch of film and I just can't get there. I personally like Brandon Miller better. And Im not sold on him either.

I do like some of the guys in the 11th pick range. Dick, Hawkings and Wallace are interesting.

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Miller is a better shooter. Scoot can get anywhere he wants. I was watching his games and he was constantly making plays. He wasn’t just making plays for himself. His athleticism combined with him being a floor general does it for me. Think his shot will get better.

[drsd]

I personally dont like this draft for us and I'd prefer to just trade out completely.

It would be a nice outcome to get Simons for G-Harris, the 6 and the 2025 Denver FRP pick. The 11 can be used for bench depth. (in part I hope the Magic keep the 11 just so we can see how bad the Bulls trade becomes for Chicago ).

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i dont think it takes #6 to get Simons.

If Orlando can trade G-Harris and 11 (or Denver 2025) for Simons, the Magic must jump all over that.

[OrlChamps2030]

It would be a nice outcome to get Simons for G-Harris, the 6 and the 2025 Denver FRP pick. The 11 can be used for bench depth. (in part I hope the Magic keep the 11 just so we can see how bad the Bulls trade becomes for Chicago ).

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i dont think it takes #6 to get Simons.

If Orlando can trade G-Harris and 11 (or Denver 2025) for Simons, the Magic must jump all over that.

Quite a few Portland fans have posted saying they like this trade

I like it too. A Simons level guy is basically what you want out of the 11th pick anyways. I think we’d need to move Cole if we did a deal like this though

[mattdelray1220]

I like Simons BUT if we do get a guy like him. Suggs becomes nothing more than 15-18min a night. Suggs needs to be on the court for 25+ in my opinion. I understand there are injuries and it is good to have as much talent as possible BUT with how poor Simons is on the defensive end, it wouldnt shock me if we would rather have Suggs on the court than Simons.

[Petre1978]

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[OrlChamps2030]

I like Simons BUT if we do get a guy like him. Suggs becomes nothing more than 15-18min a night. Suggs needs to be on the court for 25+ in my opinion. I understand there are injuries and it is good to have as much talent as possible BUT with how poor Simons is on the defensive end, it wouldnt shock me if we would rather have Suggs on the court than Simons.

Why can't they be on the court together at times?

I do agree that I wouldn't expect them to be starting together. There would be a ton of backup minutes at both guard spots for Suggs if the FO chose to move on from Cole before he needs an extension though. A lot of it comes down to what the FO does at 6. I wouldn't trade for Simons if we go with one of the guards at 6 (Thompson twins or Black)

[Skybox]

I like Simons BUT if we do get a guy like him. Suggs becomes nothing more than 15-18min a night. Suggs needs to be on the court for 25+ in my opinion. I understand there are injuries and it is good to have as much talent as possible BUT with how poor Simons is on the defensive end, it wouldnt shock me if we would rather have Suggs on the court than Simons.

Why can't they be on the court together at times?

I do agree that I wouldn't expect them to be starting together. There would be a ton of backup minutes at both guard spots for Suggs if the FO chose to move on from Cole before he needs an extension though. A lot of it comes down to what the FO does at 6. I wouldn't trade for Simons if we go with one of the guards at 6 (Thompson twins or Black)

If we get lucky/smart enough to grab Simons, the odd man out should be Fultz. Simons is NOT a pure PG, but either is Jamal Murray...I put the ball in Simons' hands, with Suggs next to him. I also think Suggs accelerates his offense next year (like this past season) and the two form a very solid starting backcourt.

Someone mentioned that Simons is what we'd be trying to draft at 11...difference is, we KNOW Simons can do it in the NBA. We know what he is and accept and adapt to his shortcomings defensively (so far) but he has proven he is an elite NBA shooter and athlete. His contract, $25m is fine...that's a million per ppg.

[mattdelray1220]

I like Simons BUT if we do get a guy like him. Suggs becomes nothing more than 15-18min a night. Suggs needs to be on the court for 25+ in my opinion. I understand there are injuries and it is good to have as much talent as possible BUT with how poor Simons is on the defensive end, it wouldnt shock me if we would rather have Suggs on the court than Simons.

Why can't they be on the court together at times?

I do agree that I wouldn't expect them to be starting together. There would be a ton of backup minutes at both guard spots for Suggs if the FO chose to move on from Cole before he needs an extension though. A lot of it comes down to what the FO does at 6. I wouldn't trade for Simons if we go with one of the guards at 6 (Thompson twins or Black)

I guess they can. I just do not think they move on from Cole. He is starting to really elevate his game.

[tiderulz]

I like Simons BUT if we do get a guy like him. Suggs becomes nothing more than 15-18min a night. Suggs needs to be on the court for 25+ in my opinion. I understand there are injuries and it is good to have as much talent as possible BUT with how poor Simons is on the defensive end, it wouldnt shock me if we would rather have Suggs on the court than Simons.

Why can't they be on the court together at times?

I do agree that I wouldn't expect them to be starting together. There would be a ton of backup minutes at both guard spots for Suggs if the FO chose to move on from Cole before he needs an extension though. A lot of it comes down to what the FO does at 6. I wouldn't trade for Simons if we go with one of the guards at 6 (Thompson twins or Black)

If we get lucky/smart enough to grab Simons, the odd man out should be Fultz. Simons is NOT a pure PG, but either is Jamal Murray...I put the ball in Simons' hands, with Suggs next to him. I also think Suggs accelerates his offense next year (like this past season) and the two form a very solid starting backcourt.

Someone mentioned that Simons is what we'd be trying to draft at 11...difference is, we KNOW Simons can do it in the NBA. We know what he is and accept and adapt to his shortcomings defensively (so far) but he has proven he is an elite NBA shooter and athlete. His contract, $25m is fine...that's a million per ppg.

this is how i would see it. Simons played the role of combo guard a lot while Dame was hurt. he can shoot from distance but is also just a good scorer. he can play on and off ball. him playing with Suggs, then figure out what to do with Cole and Fultz. maybe we go someone like Amen/Ausur/Black at #6, so they are both moved? who knows.

[Skybox]

Why can't they be on the court together at times?

I do agree that I wouldn't expect them to be starting together. There would be a ton of backup minutes at both guard spots for Suggs if the FO chose to move on from Cole before he needs an extension though. A lot of it comes down to what the FO does at 6. I wouldn't trade for Simons if we go with one of the guards at 6 (Thompson twins or Black)

If we get lucky/smart enough to grab Simons, the odd man out should be Fultz. Simons is NOT a pure PG, but either is Jamal Murray...I put the ball in Simons' hands, with Suggs next to him. I also think Suggs accelerates his offense next year (like this past season) and the two form a very solid starting backcourt.

Someone mentioned that Simons is what we'd be trying to draft at 11...difference is, we KNOW Simons can do it in the NBA. We know what he is and accept and adapt to his shortcomings defensively (so far) but he has proven he is an elite NBA shooter and athlete. His contract, $25m is fine...that's a million per ppg.

this is how i would see it. Simons played the role of combo guard a lot while Dame was hurt. he can shoot from distance but is also just a good scorer. he can play on and off ball. him playing with Suggs, then figure out what to do with Cole and Fultz. maybe we go someone like Amen/Ausur/Black at #6, so they are both moved? who knows.

Simons/Dame is like Wall/Beal but a decade younger...when the Boss PG was out, the SG went nuts with his own scoring and assists. Same could be said about CJ McCollum...once out from Dame's very large shadow, CJ (and Simons?) showed he could lead a team. Sometimes, combo guards are really leaders stuck behind other leaders.

[Skybox]

If we get lucky/smart enough to grab Simons, the odd man out should be Fultz. Simons is NOT a pure PG, but either is Jamal Murray...I put the ball in Simons' hands, with Suggs next to him. I also think Suggs accelerates his offense next year (like this past season) and the two form a very solid starting backcourt.

Someone mentioned that Simons is what we'd be trying to draft at 11...difference is, we KNOW Simons can do it in the NBA. We know what he is and accept and adapt to his shortcomings defensively (so far) but he has proven he is an elite NBA shooter and athlete. His contract, $25m is fine...that's a million per ppg.

this is how i would see it. Simons played the role of combo guard a lot while Dame was hurt. he can shoot from distance but is also just a good scorer. he can play on and off ball. him playing with Suggs, then figure out what to do with Cole and Fultz. maybe we go someone like Amen/Ausur/Black at #6, so they are both moved? who knows.

Simons/Dame is like Wall/Beal but a decade younger...when the Boss PG was out, the SG went nuts with his own scoring and assists. Same could be said about CJ McCollum...once out from Dame's very large shadow, CJ (and Simons?) showed he could lead a team. Sometimes, combo guards are really leaders stuck behind other leaders.

Poole is a much riskier (due to the $$) but similar proposition. He's still very young and very talented and (like Simons) has shown flashes of star power when given the spotlight, but it's still unknown what will come of full commitment...Personally, I'd bet on any of them if the price is right...particularly, when you consider our roster vs available players in the draft and the crapshoot involved in projecting or betting on a 19 year old playing against other children.

[89Magicfan]

Man. Just watched a new game of Scoot and his passes looked dreadful lol

Idk now...Lol...Draft needs to get here and over with.

[tiderulz]

this is how i would see it. Simons played the role of combo guard a lot while Dame was hurt. he can shoot from distance but is also just a good scorer. he can play on and off ball. him playing with Suggs, then figure out what to do with Cole and Fultz. maybe we go someone like Amen/Ausur/Black at #6, so they are both moved? who knows.

Simons/Dame is like Wall/Beal but a decade younger...when the Boss PG was out, the SG went nuts with his own scoring and assists. Same could be said about CJ McCollum...once out from Dame's very large shadow, CJ (and Simons?) showed he could lead a team. Sometimes, combo guards are really leaders stuck behind other leaders.

Poole is a much riskier (due to the $$) but similar proposition. He's still very young and very talented and (like Simons) has shown flashes of star power when given the spotlight, but it's still unknown what will come of full commitment...Personally, I'd bet on any of them if the price is right...particularly, when you consider our roster vs available players in the draft and the crapshoot involved in projecting or betting on a 19 year old playing against other children.

my only thing, Simons seems to play within himself. Poole to me, seems to think he is Curry 2.0 and tries to replicate him when he doesnt have the same skill level, and as you mentioned costs a lot more

[eyriq]

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[drsd]

Draft needs to get here and over with.

[VFX]

The only player I really want right this second is Cason Wallace. Dude will be in the league for a long time.

Second in the SEC in assists and fourth in steals. ~36% from 3. Seems like a guy all playoff teams need and want.

Any scenario on draft night that ends with some combination involving Wallace and I’m happy.

[basketballRob]

KOC has us taking Black and Lively. Black could end up getting picked by Houston.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

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