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Seems likely we'll see continued consolidation towards the top.
Could quickly wind up in a landscape where only universities with the best football programs can afford all the other teams (and maybe a few 'basketball schools'). Already true to some degree, but seems likely to accelerate.
The athletic departments of the Dartmouths of the world are going to quickly wind up deep in the red if they're expected to be compensating all their athletes (and band members etc) to any meaningful degree. My guess, they'll wind up cut at a lot of locations.
Title IX sports stuff is probably going to be a big battleground.
Personally I'm a bit of a fan, as I would like to see universities and lower league sports separated here in the States.
Could quickly wind up in a landscape where only universities with the best football programs can afford all the other teams (and maybe a few 'basketball schools'). Already true to some degree, but seems likely to accelerate.
The athletic departments of the Dartmouths of the world are going to quickly wind up deep in the red if they're expected to be compensating all their athletes (and band members etc) to any meaningful degree. My guess, they'll wind up cut at a lot of locations.
Title IX sports stuff is probably going to be a big battleground.
Personally I'm a bit of a fan, as I would like to see universities and lower league sports separated here in the States.
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The whole idea of college athletics programs being a more popular version of minor league baseball or the G league was always very iffy. The reason this is such a question is because (a) so many of the supposed student-athletes are not people who are there to be students and (b) because the money involved in such ventures is so huge.
I wouldn't mind if this proposal caused first a consolidation, then a destruction of the NCAA big time sports programs leaving only true pro leagues and the equivalent of division 2 sports.
Then we can work on getting high school sports under control as well as I've been in a high school where we had regular recruiting violations, playing ineligible players, and the sports program changing incoming students transcripts or giving them multiple class credits for summer classes they didn't play. It wasn't a good environment.
I wouldn't mind if this proposal caused first a consolidation, then a destruction of the NCAA big time sports programs leaving only true pro leagues and the equivalent of division 2 sports.
Then we can work on getting high school sports under control as well as I've been in a high school where we had regular recruiting violations, playing ineligible players, and the sports program changing incoming students transcripts or giving them multiple class credits for summer classes they didn't play. It wasn't a good environment.
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eminence wrote:Seems likely we'll see continued consolidation towards the top.
Could quickly wind up in a landscape where only universities with the best football programs can afford all the other teams (and maybe a few 'basketball schools'). Already true to some degree, but seems likely to accelerate.
The athletic departments of the Dartmouths of the world are going to quickly wind up deep in the red if they're expected to be compensating all their athletes (and band members etc) to any meaningful degree. My guess, they'll wind up cut at a lot of locations.
Title IX sports stuff is probably going to be a big battleground.
Personally I'm a bit of a fan, as I would like to see universities and lower league sports separated here in the States.
Not as worried about Dartmouth and its $7.9 billion dollar endowment as I am about schools like Howard or Coppin State where they don't have huge bank accounts and might actually hurt their academics.
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penbeast0 wrote:eminence wrote:Seems likely we'll see continued consolidation towards the top.
Could quickly wind up in a landscape where only universities with the best football programs can afford all the other teams (and maybe a few 'basketball schools'). Already true to some degree, but seems likely to accelerate.
The athletic departments of the Dartmouths of the world are going to quickly wind up deep in the red if they're expected to be compensating all their athletes (and band members etc) to any meaningful degree. My guess, they'll wind up cut at a lot of locations.
Title IX sports stuff is probably going to be a big battleground.
Personally I'm a bit of a fan, as I would like to see universities and lower league sports separated here in the States.
Not as worried about Dartmouth and its $7.9 billion dollar endowment as I am about schools like Howard or Coppin State where they don't have huge bank accounts and might actually hurt their academics.
Broadly I think it'll be good for US academics long-term. Short-term certain universities will certainly feel it (Dartmouth won't be one of them).
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Does anyone know of a free app or site or other means of creating your own ELO ranking database? One where you can enter in all the "contestants" to be ranked, and the app will pose you the comparisons one-by-one which you can answer (e.g. "Who was better? James Harden or Hakeem Olajuwon?"), so on into infinity?
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trex_8063 wrote:Does anyone know of a free app or site or other means of creating your own ELO ranking database? One where you can enter in all the "contestants" to be ranked, and the app will pose you the comparisons one-by-one which you can answer (e.g. "Who was better? James Harden or Hakeem Olajuwon?"), so on into infinity?
I want to say user EvanZ (active on the draft boards) had made something like that, could try reaching out to him.
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trex_8063 wrote:Does anyone know of a free app or site or other means of creating your own ELO ranking database? One where you can enter in all the "contestants" to be ranked, and the app will pose you the comparisons one-by-one which you can answer (e.g. "Who was better? James Harden or Hakeem Olajuwon?"), so on into infinity?
That's a fairly trivial coding exercise -- I did that for songs a way back.
I'd bet there's numerous github repos with that, although I can't search right now.
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penbeast0 wrote:The whole idea of college athletics programs being a more popular version of minor league baseball or the G league was always very iffy. The reason this is such a question is because (a) so many of the supposed student-athletes are not people who are there to be students and (b) because the money involved in such ventures is so huge.
I wouldn't mind if this proposal caused first a consolidation, then a destruction of the NCAA big time sports programs leaving only true pro leagues and the equivalent of division 2 sports.
Then we can work on getting high school sports under control as well as I've been in a high school where we had regular recruiting violations, playing ineligible players, and the sports program changing incoming students transcripts or giving them multiple class credits for summer classes they didn't play. It wasn't a good environment.
Nearly every athlete in the NCAA are there to be students. A fraction of a fraction of a fraction divided by a few thousand are the guys who are there as stepping stones to the NBA and NFL.
It is even a tiny minority with in basketball and football, much less the rest of college athletics. Unless you are saying that someone who is on the track and field team, wrestling, gymnastics etc are not real students.
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No, I'm only talking about the one and done types, almost all in Division 1 basketball and football.
The programs you are bringing up don't act like pro teams either on the part of the athletes or on the part of the schools. At least not commonly, there are isolated incidents of course.
The programs you are bringing up don't act like pro teams either on the part of the athletes or on the part of the schools. At least not commonly, there are isolated incidents of course.
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penbeast0 wrote:The whole idea of college athletics programs being a more popular version of minor league baseball or the G league was always very iffy. The reason this is such a question is because (a) so many of the supposed student-athletes are not people who are there to be students and (b) because the money involved in such ventures is so huge.
I wouldn't mind if this proposal caused first a consolidation, then a destruction of the NCAA big time sports programs leaving only true pro leagues and the equivalent of division 2 sports.
Then we can work on getting high school sports under control as well as I've been in a high school where we had regular recruiting violations, playing ineligible players, and the sports program changing incoming students transcripts or giving them multiple class credits for summer classes they didn't play. It wasn't a good environment.
I agree with you that there was an inherent fragility in college football and basketball being a big deal relative to other minor leagues for the reasons you say, but I'd note that it's clear why this happened:
Because college football made football popular, which eventually allowed for the NFL to become popular and usurp it.
and college basketball made basketball popular, which eventually allowed for the NBA to become popular and usurp it.
Sports like baseball, hockey, and soccer in other countries became popular through pro leagues, and thus there was never a time where college play could come in and occupy the same type of major niche.
Why the difference? I'd say it's about the era when popularity occurred. Baseball, hockey & soccer are older sports. For younger sports, the college athletic system tends to build up the infrastructure which can - if the sport is popular enough - spawn lucrative pro leagues. And once said pro leagues are sufficiently lucrative, they cannibalize and/or pollute the amateur league.
So, if we ever get to a point where a lacrosse player gets paid millions of dollars, the same corruption will happen to college lacrosse. The only thing that saves most college sports from these issues is their failure to succeed like football and basketball.
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Jaivl wrote:trex_8063 wrote:Does anyone know of a free app or site or other means of creating your own ELO ranking database? One where you can enter in all the "contestants" to be ranked, and the app will pose you the comparisons one-by-one which you can answer (e.g. "Who was better? James Harden or Hakeem Olajuwon?"), so on into infinity?
That's a fairly trivial coding exercise -- I did that for songs a way back.
I'd bet there's numerous github repos with that, although I can't search right now.
You were correct, I found one. Thank you.
I figured out the hard way that if you create the entries and begin voting.......and then add some more entries to be voted on, it resets EVERYTHING back to parity (i.e. erases results of all the voting you did prior). Doh!
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Austin is 80 miles from San Antonio. The median household income in Austin is 27k more than San Antonio. Austin has 3 companies in the top 100.
Nashville is 200 miles from Memphis. The median household income is 23k more in Nashville than in Memphis. The metro population of Nashville is 40% larger than Memphis, and the gap is getting bigger.
I'm not saying this to rub salt in Memphis or San Antonio residents but I think the future of both teams may be in the far richer, faster growing city.
In a strange way I think Memphis is the more risky one. San Antonio is close enough to Austin that San Antonio owners may deem a move not worth it. Memphis may be concerned that Nashville could get a team and feel the incentive to get their first.
Nashville is 200 miles from Memphis. The median household income is 23k more in Nashville than in Memphis. The metro population of Nashville is 40% larger than Memphis, and the gap is getting bigger.
I'm not saying this to rub salt in Memphis or San Antonio residents but I think the future of both teams may be in the far richer, faster growing city.
In a strange way I think Memphis is the more risky one. San Antonio is close enough to Austin that San Antonio owners may deem a move not worth it. Memphis may be concerned that Nashville could get a team and feel the incentive to get their first.
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Spurs are too iconic a franchise
Austin deserves a sports team but NBA already has 3 in Texas and NHL would go to Houston first. So it would have to be an NFL team where the stadium is like halfway between it and San Antonio. But Jerry Jones probably blocks.
Austin deserves a sports team but NBA already has 3 in Texas and NHL would go to Houston first. So it would have to be an NFL team where the stadium is like halfway between it and San Antonio. But Jerry Jones probably blocks.
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sp6r=underrated wrote:Austin is 80 miles from San Antonio. The median household income in Austin is 27k more than San Antonio. Austin has 3 companies in the top 100.
Nashville is 200 miles from Memphis. The median household income is 23k more in Nashville than in Memphis. The metro population of Nashville is 40% larger than Memphis, and the gap is getting bigger.
I'm not saying this to rub salt in Memphis or San Antonio residents but I think the future of both teams may be in the far richer, faster growing city.
In a strange way I think Memphis is the more risky one. San Antonio is close enough to Austin that San Antonio owners may deem a move not worth it. Memphis may be concerned that Nashville could get a team and feel the incentive to get their first.
Re: Austin. I believe the freeway system is built around a Houston-Dallas-SA triangle so I think it's unlikely Austin surpasses San Antonio as a metro area so much as the two of them merging. I could absolutely see the Spurs playing a chunk of home games in Austin, but nothing more significant than that really makes sense to me. All the more given the great success the Spurs have had for the civic pride of San Antonio.
Re: Nashville. Yeah this is just true and it's awkward. In theory Memphis is still big enough to have 1 major franchise to Nashville's 2...in practice Nashville is lapping Memphis economically. Moving from one city to the other would bring about major ill-will now, but I'm not sure how many pro teams exist that represent such a clear 2nd banana for a state where the top dog doesn't have a team.
Looking at a list:
Missouri: St. Louis has MLB & NHL while the now larger Kansas City has MLB & NFL.
North Carolina: Charlotte has NFL & NBA, while apparently the Carolina Hurricanes of the NHL are in Raleigh.
Ohio: Cleveland has MLB, NFL & NBA while the now larger Columbus has the NHL.
Wisconsin: Milwaukee has MLB & NBA while the legendary Packers of the NFL reside in the tiny Green Bay.
I think that's it really. (Note that I would not consider San Francisco & San Jose to be different metros for these purposes.)
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Re: Nashville. Yeah this is just true and it's awkward. In theory Memphis is still big enough to have 1 major franchise to Nashville's 2...in practice Nashville is lapping Memphis economically. Moving from one city to the other would bring about major ill-will now, but I'm not sure how many pro teams exist that represent such a clear 2nd banana for a state where the top dog doesn't have a team.
In 2010 Metro Nashville had 330,100 more people per the census.In 2020 it had 624,539 more people. In 2022 it had 732,428 more people per the census.
And the population undersells how much more important metro Nashville is than Memphis. GDP is nearly twice as large in Nashville than Memphis. I just can't see Nashville not getting an NBA team. And I question whether Memphis's ownership will feel comfortable with a team in Nashville rather than just move their themselves.
Missouri: St. Louis has MLB & NHL while the now larger Kansas City has MLB & NFL.
North Carolina: Charlotte has NFL & NBA, while apparently the Carolina Hurricanes of the NHL are in Raleigh.
Ohio: Cleveland has MLB, NFL & NBA while the now larger Columbus has the NHL.
Wisconsin: Milwaukee has MLB & NBA while the legendary Packers of the NFL reside in the tiny Green Bay.
You hit some good examples here.
St Louis/KC: St Louis population is in free fall but the metro area is still nearly 20% larger.
Raleigh is probably the situation most similar to Nashville-Memphis. Charlotte is way larger than Raleigh. I'd say the dynamic is slightly different in that the NHL is clearly a smaller league than the NBA. The NHL's thinking, and I'm purely spitballing here, is to go to smaller market without the NBA so they could be the big fish in the small pond.
Columbus/Cleveland are going in different directions. The metro gap isn't nearly as big yet as Memphis/Nashville but it will be. And this will create much more headaches for the NFL/MLB. Leaving Cleveland for Columbus will generate a ton of bad press given how old the franchises are. When the Browns left the first time it caused a huge headache. Leaving for good will cause tons of bad press.
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Yeah Austin is kinda like Fort Worth is to Dallas in relation to San Antonio only Dallas also has Arlington and a bunch of other really significant suburbs that San Antonio doesn't have. But while Austin is its own major city with its own very unique culture, from a market standpoint its really part of San Antonio just as Fort Worth is part of Dallas.
Hard to see Austin ever getting one of the big 4 leagues. San Antonio has only even managed the one. And of course Dallas and Houston don't want more Texas teams especially not in central Texas because they benefit as it sits.
I think if another city in Texas gets a major team, it might well be El Paso. Dallas and Houston will feel less threatened and it allows them to draw on both Mexico and New Mexico as well.
Hard to see Austin ever getting one of the big 4 leagues. San Antonio has only even managed the one. And of course Dallas and Houston don't want more Texas teams especially not in central Texas because they benefit as it sits.
I think if another city in Texas gets a major team, it might well be El Paso. Dallas and Houston will feel less threatened and it allows them to draw on both Mexico and New Mexico as well.
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Texas Chuck wrote:Yeah Austin is kinda like Fort Worth is to Dallas in relation to San Antonio only Dallas also has Arlington and a bunch of other really significant suburbs that San Antonio doesn't have. But while Austin is its own major city with its own very unique culture, from a market standpoint its really part of San Antonio just as Fort Worth is part of Dallas.
Hard to see Austin ever getting one of the big 4 leagues. San Antonio has only even managed the one. And of course Dallas and Houston don't want more Texas teams especially not in central Texas because they benefit as it sits.
I think if another city in Texas gets a major team, it might well be El Paso. Dallas and Houston will feel less threatened and it allows them to draw on both Mexico and New Mexico as well.
Texas is probably going to be the most populated US state in 20 yrs so four NBA teams isn't outlandish. El Paso is an interesting call.
Thanks for pointing out that Austin is close enough to TX that a move wouldn't make sense. A similar thing happens in NYC with a lot of major teams being in Jersey so it isn't that weird to have a team outside the core of the metro.
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sp6r=underrated wrote:Thanks for pointing out that Austin is close enough to TX that a move wouldn't make sense. A similar thing happens in NYC with a lot of major teams being in Jersey so it isn't that weird to have a team outside the core of the metro.
Yeah Dallas proper refuses to build a downtown stadium and the Cotton Bowl is just too old, so Arlington has managed to steal two teams. Frisco has the MLS team.
I don't know enough about San Antonio politics to know if they would ever make similar mistakes as Dallas, but I doubt it.
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