720 wrote:Memphis win too, great day for the tank
Super happy and watched most of the game last night too, no whining here
Moderators: Duffman100, HiJiNX, niQ, Morris_Shatford, DG88, Reeko, lebron stopper, 7 Footer
720 wrote:Memphis win too, great day for the tank
basketballto wrote:I don't understand why RJ wasn't playing. He played against the Lakers.
ill-Will03 wrote:mtcan wrote:ill-Will03 wrote:
It most definitely is not the same lol wtf
Did you read the rest of the post? Clearly not. Nice.
Maybe try reading and responding with more than just "lol wtf".
This is exactly whats wrong with tanking. This kind of effort just becomes normalized and any standards of a team go out the window. You shouldn't just lose by 50 just because your 3rd or 4th stringers are playing, that is not an excuse. I don't think you guys realize how hard it is to actually lose by that much..
YogurtProducer wrote:Chandan wrote:mtcan wrote:You don't think if Darko had a choice that would not have preferred to play RJ, Kelly and Gary?
Of course he prefers to start the 10 day contract to match up against Rudy ducking Gobert.
Ya that makes him the worst coach...lol.
You clearly have an agenda against Darko but these games aren't indicative of anything. They don't support your agenda against Darko.
I think you just have selective memories and forgot how bad darko was from the beginning leading up to all star break.
-not understanding in season tournament rules (lack of attention to details)
-forgetting to sub out the team star with 3 fouls in the 2nd quarter
-forgetting to sub in scottie in the 4th because he only has "2 timeout left"
-not knowing how to utilize one of the best defensive player in OG
-unusual man love for Dennis and lesser extend flynn
-robotic substitution pattern
-team consistently coming out flat and falling behind by 20+ point before half time
-losing to Detroit when all eyes were watching during their 23 game losing streak (we were only missing OG for that game)
All happened before major trades.
And there are other lesser things:
-not being able to motivate Bruce Brown and now his value is tanked
-Trading pizza for a win streak is more like a joke on him
-Gold chain for player of the game is corny
-while most liked the media rant but in my opinion calling out the refs like that just painted a target on the franchises back
The fact you reusing things like "man love for Dennis" or "not understanding the in season tournament rules" (honestly - who cares) just shows you have a massive agenda to push here.
Even if those things happened before a major trade, you seem to ignore how bad OG was playing. Had nothing to do with Darko not using him, and had everything to do with him mailing it in.
Chandan wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:Chandan wrote:
I think you just have selective memories and forgot how bad darko was from the beginning leading up to all star break.
-not understanding in season tournament rules (lack of attention to details)
-forgetting to sub out the team star with 3 fouls in the 2nd quarter
-forgetting to sub in scottie in the 4th because he only has "2 timeout left"
-not knowing how to utilize one of the best defensive player in OG
-unusual man love for Dennis and lesser extend flynn
-robotic substitution pattern
-team consistently coming out flat and falling behind by 20+ point before half time
-losing to Detroit when all eyes were watching during their 23 game losing streak (we were only missing OG for that game)
All happened before major trades.
And there are other lesser things:
-not being able to motivate Bruce Brown and now his value is tanked
-Trading pizza for a win streak is more like a joke on him
-Gold chain for player of the game is corny
-while most liked the media rant but in my opinion calling out the refs like that just painted a target on the franchises back
The fact you reusing things like "man love for Dennis" or "not understanding the in season tournament rules" (honestly - who cares) just shows you have a massive agenda to push here.
Even if those things happened before a major trade, you seem to ignore how bad OG was playing. Had nothing to do with Darko not using him, and had everything to do with him mailing it in.
I never said there's no agenda. The agenda is that he's a bad coach and he should be fired soon. I have some observations that backup the claim so far while the other side has wishful thinking that he'll turn it around. I dont know darko and I dont owe him any second chances. Also coach changes are fun and interesting to watch. Even if he's not as bad as I claim he is i am sure we are not missing out on a Brad Stevens here.
- Raptors RealGM Forum re: Masai Ujiri - June 2023What an absolute failure and disaster this franchise is, ran by one of the most incompetent front offices in the league.
ill-Will03 wrote:mtcan wrote:ill-Will03 wrote:
It most definitely is not the same lol wtf
Did you read the rest of the post? Clearly not. Nice.
Maybe try reading and responding with more than just "lol wtf".
This is exactly whats wrong with tanking. This kind of effort just becomes normalized and any standards of a team go out the window. You shouldn't just lose by 50 just because your 3rd or 4th stringers are playing, that is not an excuse. I don't think you guys realize how hard it is to actually lose by that much..
balleramil wrote:My Summer by Jarrett Jack
The one thing you don't know about our team is...
At practice we play freeze tag
TimeForChange wrote:pilkoids wrote:This team needs a coach who was recently a player How do you'll think Lowry would work out as a head coach?
they interviewed JJ Reddick but didn't even consider him.
JJ is going to be the head coach of Lebron's team in Vegas and Darko will be out of the league by then.
ArthurVandelay wrote:It’s obvious Masai has chucked the 5 x 6’9 defensive menace/teach-them-to-shoot project
Now it’s obvious he’s trying to bring the European style of play to the NBA.
Problem is,for the most part, Darko doesn’t have the shooting talent and basketball IQ on the roster to make it work. This is a roster and team in transition that just started 3 months ago.
As long as guys keep developing, you’re seeing the style of play continue to evolve, and their are good coach-player relations, I’d let him keep going regardless of the record.
Two examples…
1) player development: before OA went down, he was starting to actually play decent, his shot was still off but he was under control. RJ has played great as a Raptor. Dick of course.
2) style of play evolution: just watch Dick play. He’s the only guy playing with elite IQ and shooting. He’s constantly in motion, constantly cutting, constantly moving to get an open shot. This is what they are working towards having 3 Dicks* + C or 4 Dicks* circling Scottie.
(*Dicks doesn’t mean white guys. It’s guys who can shoot and move off the ball).
I think Darko has done well this year considering how he was hired to coach did not match the roster to start the season and, while the roster is starting to resemble what he needs, the overall talent is awful.
ill-Will03 wrote:
This is exactly whats wrong with tanking. This kind of effort just becomes normalized and any standards of a team go out the window. You shouldn't just lose by 50 just because your 3rd or 4th stringers are playing, that is not an excuse. I don't think you guys realize how hard it is to actually lose by that much..
sbsat wrote:Johnny Bball wrote:sbsat wrote:
there is no blaming. But you can ALWAYS have standards. At what point--even in expected lossess--are we allowed to raise red flags about our coach? If they were losing these games by 100 would we just say "hey the players are who they are and this is reasonable given who we are fielding"? I've equivalently lambasted Bruce Brown. There has to be standards even if the outcome (W or L) is pre-dtermined.
When games actually matter and when you give him an NBA team that you can judge by. All year long he's been undercut by players knowing they were being traded (Siakam/OG/prbobaly GTJ), the rest of the players worried about being traded with them, injuries or tanking. The hardest thing to find in a coach that the players like and respect. That doesn't seem to be an issue (and seems opposite), and if he was as stupid and ineffective as you would like to imply, there would be a respect issue.
So to be clear, if they lose these games by 100 points, nothing can be gleaned about the coach? I'm not sure how you measure player respect for a coach; they may like him alright, but effort has been an issue all year. If we are willing to give the guy his flowers for better ball movement, and better vibes, you can certainly point out issues with the team that have been evident all year. This sh.it shouldn't be asymmetric.
Johnny Bball wrote:sbsat wrote:Johnny Bball wrote:
When games actually matter and when you give him an NBA team that you can judge by. All year long he's been undercut by players knowing they were being traded (Siakam/OG/prbobaly GTJ), the rest of the players worried about being traded with them, injuries or tanking. The hardest thing to find in a coach that the players like and respect. That doesn't seem to be an issue (and seems opposite), and if he was as stupid and ineffective as you would like to imply, there would be a respect issue.
So to be clear, if they lose these games by 100 points, nothing can be gleaned about the coach? I'm not sure how you measure player respect for a coach; they may like him alright, but effort has been an issue all year. If we are willing to give the guy his flowers for better ball movement, and better vibes, you can certainly point out issues with the team that have been evident all year. This sh.it shouldn't be asymmetric.
By listening to them.
I'm not sure how you measure a pile of **** in a pile of **** think you are right.
Johnny Bball wrote:2019nbachamps wrote:Johnny Bball wrote:
3 loss is a coin flip if Memphis doesn't win again. Don't even.
And Portland isn't winning 3 of their last 6, so there's no point in waiting for that.
There is 0 chance we win 3/6 games
...and that doesn't change the fact that its a 2 loss cushion. But continue to argue something completely unimportant.
Drakeem wrote:Fans have become spoiled with the amount of winning we've had.
Spida888 wrote:Damn, good that I didn't catch the game then. Not that a blowout was unexpected.
Sadly, all of these bad losses may be just for us to gift the Spurs with the 7th pick.
well the excuse being used for us sucking pre blowing up the team and injuries was our players had one foot out the door. No one was committed.2019nbachamps wrote:Drakeem wrote:Fans have become spoiled with the amount of winning we've had.
I don’t mind losing. There are times where losing is inevitable. Eg you go all in to compete for a title, your best player gets hurt or leaves, etc. Obviously we were going to decline following our title with the vet front court, Kyle aging, and Kawhi leaving. What sucks is the treadmill we’ve been on over this period due to management doubling down on our flawed rosters. Had we just embraced being bad at the deadline last deadline we could’ve been on a better trajectory. We’d have control over our draft pick and perhaps cashed out on Siakam and FVV. Our situation now isn’t a disaster but it’s still fair to lament how poor our front office has been in recent years.
Pretty much every excuse being made for them has holes in them. For instance, people will blame injuries and tanking for our current losing streak. However we were the 6th-7th worst team in the league before the streak with our team 99% healthy in the first 60 games of the season.
sbsat wrote:Johnny Bball wrote:sbsat wrote:
So to be clear, if they lose these games by 100 points, nothing can be gleaned about the coach? I'm not sure how you measure player respect for a coach; they may like him alright, but effort has been an issue all year. If we are willing to give the guy his flowers for better ball movement, and better vibes, you can certainly point out issues with the team that have been evident all year. This sh.it shouldn't be asymmetric.
By listening to them.
I'm not sure how you measure a pile of **** in a pile of **** think you are right.
You can also look at results and they are compelling. I know you came into the year saying getting rid of nurse will save this team and i guess you are holding onto that. You dont walk into every game giving up 30 point deficits, being outworked when you are down that much if the coach is anywhere near effective at motivating players or there being any sort of mutual respect. Sorry.