Iguodala to the INDIANA CAPLOCKED PACERS

[Blkbrd671]

That is way too much to be giving up for iggy who is only dominate on one side of the ball. if indy wanted Iggy they'd have drafted Leonard who shows the same promise iggy did. they have collison, hill, george ty and hibbert as their core. They could improve at the PG and PF position however both players are currently young and have time to develop. with the 2012 draft being so loaded, they'd be better holding off and drafting young players to develop with their core. maybe

Iggy+ holiday

for

Granger + collison


It looks like wash trade, however your trading offense for defense at the SF position, something i think could interest both teams , and i included collison and holiday cuz i thought it would be intriguing to see what fans would think

[JrueDaDamaja]

I agree with eslr.

RANKINGS RELEVANT TO POSITION LAST YEAR

Granger:
4th in PPG (with .425 FG% )
10th in RPG
11th in APG
10th in SPG
9th in BPG
4th MOST TOs
with 5 double doubles

Iggy:
17th in PPG (with .445 FG%) [and SGs score more...higher PPG comp.]
3rd in RPG
1st in APG
4th in SPG
5th in BPG
8th MOST TOs
with 11 double doubles

AND Iggy is a better man defender.


...so by last year's statistics alone, it appears Iggy was actually better (or at least more valuable to his team)

But why are we comparing the two like they're being traded FOR each other. This trade would make them teammates. And I think they compliment each other VERY well.

Iggy is a great defender (can never have enough of those).
Is a high efficiency scorer who doesn't/can't take a huge volume of attempts.
A great passer, rebounder, ball swiper who doesn't turn the ball over alot

sounds like the perfect compliment to a

good defender, high volume scorer/3 pt shooter, who is an good but not great passer or rebounder (for his position).

Granger is a star scorer. Iggy is a star do-it-all player with slightly low scoring. Great fit together imo.

[Laowai]

The Raptors would give you Barbosa and A Johnson for your 1st in 2012.

[sixerswillrule]

Iguodala will be paid about 25% too much (14.7 million vs. being worth about 12)
Arenas will be paid about 200% too much(20.8 million vs being worth about 7)

Saying Iguodala's contract is even close to as bad as Arenas is like saying Iguodala the player is close to as good as LeBron James.
In other words, you must be a complete idiot to say such a thing.

I have never stated Arenas and Iggy's contracts are equally bad. What I have stated is Arenas is the worst in the NBA while Iggy's contract is just bad regardless of how you want to spin it.

I never said that you said they are equally bad.

What the ESPN rankings show is Danny Granger is ranked 4th among all small forwards while Andre Iguodala is ranked 17th among the shooting guards but will cost over $5 million more than Granger over the next three years. That does not make Iguodala's contract more desirable than Granger's.

And he never said that Iguodala's contract ismore desirable than Granger's.

And that's a ranking of points per game, you ginormous tool.

[winter_mute_13]

As an Indiana fan, I don't have a problem with Iggy's contract. Danny's a better scorer obviously but overall I think the Iggy and Danny have comparable talent, with an edge to Danny perhaps.

Regarding the trade - I'd be very hesitant to part with Paul G, because we think he'll be very good. It could be something we look at though depending on what the new CBA looks like and how free agency goes for us.

[youngcrev]

That is way too much to be giving up for iggy who is only dominate on one side of the ball. if indy wanted Iggy they'd have drafted Leonard who shows the same promise iggy did. they have collison, hill, george ty and hibbert as their core. They could improve at the PG and PF position however both players are currently young and have time to develop. with the 2012 draft being so loaded, they'd be better holding off and drafting young players to develop with their core. maybe

Iggy+ holiday

for

Granger + collison


It looks like wash trade, however your trading offense for defense at the SF position, something i think could interest both teams , and i included collison and holiday cuz i thought it would be intriguing to see what fans would think

Throwing in Holiday would shut it down from the Sixers end since I think management values him more than any player in the deal. Granger for Iguodala is an interesting swap, but in the end, it's a deal that doesn't change the outlook of either team, so I don't see the reason for it.

[gswhoops]

Throwing in Holiday would shut it down from the Sixers end since I think management values him more than any player in the deal. Granger for Iguodala is an interesting swap, but in the end, it's a deal that doesn't change the outlook of either team, so I don't see the reason for it.

Agreed. I think the deal to make this offseason is either Turner-for-Granger or George-for-Iguodala. Teaming Iggy and Danny up makes a lot more sense IMO then swapping them for each other.

IMO it makes more sense with Iggy going to Indy...something like Posey/George/lotto protected 1st for Dre, with Indy signing Nene or David West as a follow up.

Hibbert
Nene/West
Granger
Iguodala
Collison/Hill

Very solid squad, good mix of offense and defense.

[Sixerlover]

If I am the GM of any NBA team, I avoid taking on the $44.15 million Iggy is owed over the next 3 years because I expect the new CBA will treat such grossly overpaid contracts very harshly. The best thing you can say about Iggy's contract is that its clearly more desirable than being stuck paying out over $62 million Orlando still owes Gilbert Arenas over the next three years.

Well theres also gross speculation that the new CBA will roll back existing contracts, but who knows. If the new CBA honors old contracts and makes new contracts at a fraction of the old ones, than I could agree that it would be better for Indy to just use their capspace.

But I do find it funny how Iggy and his contract is being compared to Gilbert Arenas. Danny Granger, who has a similar level of productivity and isnt nearly as good of a defender, only gets paid $1 mill or so less per season and is considered a "great" contract. How does that work out?

2010-2011 statistical comparison + future salary Granger vs Iggy

Danny Granger age 28, 20.5 points, 5.4 rebounds, 2.6 assists, PER 17.89
Total salary for 2011-2012, 2012-2013 and 2013-2014 seasons = $39,096,298

Andre Iguodala age 27, 14.1 points, 5.8 rebounds, 6.3 assists, PER 17.30
Total salary for 2011-2012, 2012-2013 and 2013-2014 seasons = $44,154,750

The 2010-2011 statistics show Danny Granger was clearly more productive than Andre Iguodala who will cost about $5 million more over 3 years for whatever defensive capabilities Iggy brings to the table. Paying more money for less production is not what most NBA GM's are looking for unless Iggy's defense is so dominate he can eliminate the production of a player like Granger. A third option which is what Iggy should be cannot justify being paid $44.15 million over 3 years.

This hurts your point. You made the point for the other side of the argument. PER wise they are pretty equal, and Granger is the better offensive player, Iguodala is the better defensive player. Iguodala is younger, Danny is 5 mil cheaper over the next 3 years.

To call one deal really bad, and the other a solid contract is laughable.

[Sixerlover]

If paying over $5 million more for the next 3 years to get less production is what you are after then Andre Iguodala is clearly a player your favorite team should be trying to acquire in a trade. The ESPN rankings below show how Granger and Iggy's compare league wide with their peers.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... l-forwards

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... ing-guards

The fact that Iguodala didn't play SG at all this year negates anything from that entire link. From Jodie Meeks, to Evan Turner, to Lou Will, Iguodala never played SG. To have him listed as a SG shows they have no clue what they're talking about

EDIT - Plus you linked us to a Point per game stat

[Foshan]

Agreed. I think the deal to make this offseason is either Turner-for-Granger or George-for-Iguodala. Teaming Iggy and Danny up makes a lot more sense IMO then swapping them for each other.

IMO it makes more sense with Iggy going to Indy...something like Posey/George/lotto protected 1st for Dre, with Indy signing Nene or David West as a follow up.

Hibbert
Nene/West
Granger
Iguodala
Collison/Hill

Very solid squad, good mix of offense and defense.

This.

I still don't see how Collins would be on board with moving Iggy.

[DerrickNoah]

If paying over $5 million more for the next 3 years to get less production is what you are after then Andre Iguodala is clearly a player your favorite team should be trying to acquire in a trade. The ESPN rankings below show how Granger and Iggy's compare league wide with their peers.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... l-forwards

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... ing-guards

The fact that Iguodala didn't play SG at all this year negates anything from that entire link. From Jodie Meeks, to Evan Turner, to Lou Will, Iguodala never played SG. To have him listed as a SG shows they have no clue what they're talking about

EDIT - Plus you linked us to a Point per game stat

Iggy is also listed as a SG in the ESPN trade machine. So you are saying ESPN has no clue what they are talking about? Thats like saying Ford knows nothing about vehicles.
Iggy is quite capable of playing SG or SF. He is a 6'6 wing who can defend

[Blkbrd671]

If paying over $5 million more for the next 3 years to get less production is what you are after then Andre Iguodala is clearly a player your favorite team should be trying to acquire in a trade. The ESPN rankings below show how Granger and Iggy's compare league wide with their peers.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... l-forwards

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... ing-guards

The fact that Iguodala didn't play SG at all this year negates anything from that entire link. From Jodie Meeks, to Evan Turner, to Lou Will, Iguodala never played SG. To have him listed as a SG shows they have no clue what they're talking about

EDIT - Plus you linked us to a Point per game stat

Iggy is also listed as a SG in the ESPN trade machine. So you are saying ESPN has no clue what they are talking about? Thats like saying Ford knows nothing about vehicles.
Iggy is quite capable of playing SG or SF. He is a 6'6 wing who can defend

Iggy can defend the SG position cuz he's that good, however he's no SG. he's a SF

[sixerswillrule]

If paying over $5 million more for the next 3 years to get less production is what you are after then Andre Iguodala is clearly a player your favorite team should be trying to acquire in a trade. The ESPN rankings below show how Granger and Iggy's compare league wide with their peers.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... l-forwards

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... ing-guards

The fact that Iguodala didn't play SG at all this year negates anything from that entire link. From Jodie Meeks, to Evan Turner, to Lou Will, Iguodala never played SG. To have him listed as a SG shows they have no clue what they're talking about

EDIT - Plus you linked us to a Point per game stat

Iggy is also listed as a SG in the ESPN trade machine. So you are saying ESPN has no clue what they are talking about? Thats like saying Ford knows nothing about vehicles.
Iggy is quite capable of playing SG or SF. He is a 6'6 wing who can defend

You're right, Iguodala is capable of playing both. But,

The fact that Iguodala didn't play SG at all this year negates anything from that entire link. From Jodie Meeks, to Evan Turner, to Lou Will, Iguodala never played SG. To have him listed as a SG shows they have no clue what they're talking about

Regardless, linking to a point per game stat and making it out to be some sort of overall position ranking is beyond ridiculous. Given the poster who did such a thing, however, it should be of no surprise to anyone.

[BringBackKorver]

Iguodala played a little bit of SG, but it was < 10% of his floor time. We played Holiday, Iguodala, Nocioni, Brand, and Hawes for stretches.

[sixerswillrule]

Iguodala played a little bit of SG, but it was < 10% of his floor time. We played Holiday, Iguodala, Nocioni, Brand, and Hawes for stretches.

Right, but that's a small fraction. If he is listed at a single position, it obviously should be SF.

[don nelson]

If paying over $5 million more for the next 3 years to get less production is what you are after then Andre Iguodala is clearly a player your favorite team should be trying to acquire in a trade. The ESPN rankings below show how Granger and Iggy's compare league wide with their peers.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... l-forwards

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... ing-guards

The fact that Iguodala didn't play SG at all this year negates anything from that entire link. From Jodie Meeks, to Evan Turner, to Lou Will, Iguodala never played SG. To have him listed as a SG shows they have no clue what they're talking about

EDIT - Plus you linked us to a Point per game stat

ESPN chose to place Iguodala with the shooting guards but if you transfer Iggy's stats to small forward, his ranking for the 2010-2011 season will be tied for 12th with Tayshaun Prince. That's a far cry from Danny Granger who is ranked #4 among small forward and will still cost $5 million less than Iguodala over the next 3 years. Maybe its more than just a coincidence the 76ers are interested in moving Iggy but the Pacers have no interest in moving Granger.

[loserX]

If paying over $5 million more for the next 3 years to get less production is what you are after then Andre Iguodala is clearly a player your favorite team should be trying to acquire in a trade. The ESPN rankings below show how Granger and Iggy's compare league wide with their peers.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... l-forwards

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... ing-guards

The fact that Iguodala didn't play SG at all this year negates anything from that entire link. From Jodie Meeks, to Evan Turner, to Lou Will, Iguodala never played SG. To have him listed as a SG shows they have no clue what they're talking about

EDIT - Plus you linked us to a Point per game stat

ESPN chose to place Iguodala with the shooting guards but if you transfer Iggy's stats to small forward, his ranking for the 2010-2011 season will be tied for 12th with Tayshaun Prince. That's a far cry from Danny Granger who is ranked #4 among small forward and will still cost $5 million less than Iguodala over the next 3 years. As Rasheed Wallace liked to say "the numbers don't lie."

No, but they do get misinterpreted or overinflated by people who can't be bothered to do a modicum of critical thinking in their posts. You have missed the point entirely, again.

[timdunkit]

http://www.libertyballers.com/2011/2/22 ... e-iguodala

Since Brian did such a great job documenting the greatness that is Iguodala's defense I thought this was a perfect opportunity to drop a few more statistical nuggets chronicling other under-appreciated aspects of Iguodala's game.

1. With a 3.35 Assist:Turnover ratio, Iguodala ranks fifth behind only Jose Calderon, Chris Paul, Jason Kidd, and DJ Augistin in 2010-2011.
2. Iguodala ranks fourth among non-point guards in AST%, behind LeBron James, Joe Johnson, and Kobe Bryant.*
3. Iguodala ranks 37th overall, and 12th among non-power forwards/centers in DRB%.*
4. There are a total of four NBA players who average 14+ points with a usage rate of 19% or lower: Joakim Noah, Danilo Gallinari, Nene Hilario, and Andre Iguodala.

* Played at least 1,500 minutes.

Elite defender, efficient playmaker, plus-rebounder, offensively and defensively versatile, and top 30 NBA player are all ways you could describe Andre Iguodala, the player. He's only a slightly above average scorer, but if he was an elite scorer he'd be LeBron James. He never carries the team offensively, but he ensures the opponent's go-to scorer doesn't either. He's not a superstar, but he's a damn great player and it's about time Don Nelson took notice.

http://www.depressedfan.com/basketball/ ... m-list.php

Iguodala ranks first in PPP Allowed, second in PER against, 7th in DFR when he's on the floor, and fifth in DFR differential among all wing starters of note.

[Sixerlover]

^ Nope. He's just this horrible contract of a player who only averaged 14 points a game. That's all he is.

[Sixerlover]

If paying over $5 million more for the next 3 years to get less production is what you are after then Andre Iguodala is clearly a player your favorite team should be trying to acquire in a trade. The ESPN rankings below show how Granger and Iggy's compare league wide with their peers.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... l-forwards

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... ing-guards

The fact that Iguodala didn't play SG at all this year negates anything from that entire link. From Jodie Meeks, to Evan Turner, to Lou Will, Iguodala never played SG. To have him listed as a SG shows they have no clue what they're talking about

EDIT - Plus you linked us to a Point per game stat

ESPN chose to place Iguodala with the shooting guards but if you transfer Iggy's stats to small forward, his ranking for the 2010-2011 season will be tied for 12th with Tayshaun Prince. That's a far cry from Danny Granger who is ranked #4 among small forward and will still cost $5 million less than Iguodala over the next 3 years. Maybe its more than just a coincidence the 76ers are interested in moving Iggy but the Pacers have no interest in moving Granger.

When you say "stats" you mean points per game huh?