Ray Allen To Sign With Miami

L3GEND4RY · Post #1221 » by **L3GEND4RY** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:34 am

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twix2500 · Post #1222 » by **twix2500** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:38 pm

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humblebum · Post #1223 » by **humblebum** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:46 pm

Ray Allen is going to be so disappointing for Heat and their fans... Let's see how his old tired behind holds up after another 82 games trying to repeat with the enemy. Everyone is going to go at the Heat and no one likes a traitor and a ring chaser so EVERYONE is coming for his trick turning a$$. Ray is going to get dogged out, chewed up and spit out by the Association this season. Can't wait to see him get locked up in the playoffs once again.

Ray experiencing failure in Miami is going to be so, sweet. The look on his face when he's heading back to the locker room as the ultimate loser, priceless.

cb4_89 · Post #1224 » by **cb4_89** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:50 pm

You do realize 99% of the NBA doesn't hate Ray Allen for leaving the celtics right? Celtics fans hate him now and a lot of other fans hate anything to do with the heat so they will bash him as well. But almost every player not on the Celtics roster will not care at all about Ray.

babycry14 · Post #1225 » by **babycry14** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:54 pm

cb4_89 wrote:You do realize 99% of the NBA doesn't hate Ray Allen for leaving the celtics right? Celtics fans hate him now and a lot of other fans hate anything to do with the heat so they will bash him as well. But almost every player not on the Celtics roster will not care at all about Ray.

I don't even think Celtic fans hate him,they're just a little hurt but they'll get over it by the end of next season

humblebum · Post #1226 » by **humblebum** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:56 pm

Not true.

First off, the Heat are the defending champs so everyone around the league technically "hates" them. I think OTHER players are going to look at Ray stabbing the Celtics in the back to go sign in Miami, the ultimate front runner/ring chaser, and want to prove something to him. That's just HUMAN NATURE man...

And the thing is that Ray is really only good at shooting these days. You can attack him off the dribble and he can't hold off penetration and on the other end he's terrible creating shots for himself and can be easily shut down by good defenses. Dude's are going to want to beat the Heat and in many ways Ray will be a weak spot or liability that other teams will look to exploit.

Miami is going to do there best to hide Ray's flaws, like Boston tried to do, but reality is that dude is a shell of his former self except when he's lining up an three ball. He's going to be attacked every night and he's not going to be able to withstand physical play for 82 games... It's just the nature of the NBA.

Post #1227 » by **mopper8** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:01 pm

humblebum wrote:Not true.

First off, the Heat are the defending champs so everyone around the league technically "hates" them. I think OTHER players are going to look at Ray stabbing the Celtics in the back to go sign in Miami, the ultimate front runner/ring chaser, and want to prove something to him. That's just HUMAN NATURE man...

Dude, you're living in fantasy land.

There were a large number of players throughout the playoffs & after they won the title saying really nice things about Miami.

You're totally projecting if you think Kevin Love or Ramon Sessions or whoever feels the same way as Celtics fans do about Ray leaving Miami.

Stills12 · Post #1228 » by **Stills12** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:12 pm

humblebum wrote:Let's see how his old tired behind holds up after another 82 games trying to repeat with the enemy. Everyone is going to go at the Heat and no one likes a traitor and a ring chaser so EVERYONE is coming for his trick turning a$$.

1. Ray is coming off the bench. He should be fine considering all Heat really need from him is 3 pointers.

2. He's not a traitor. He left the team he was traded to in free agency as a 36 year old. Maybe Celtics fans consider him one but im fairly certain most of other players in the league got more important stuff to concentrate on then consider someone who didn't even leave their team a traitor.

3. Everyone is fine with ring chasers. Did anything happen to Big Z, Battier or Mike Miller? Ring chasers isn't really something new and i doubt you would find many occasions where a ring chaser was treated differently in the past by other players.

humblebum · Post #1229 » by **humblebum** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:21 pm

A ring chaser leaving a contender to play against the team that beat the Celtics two years running...

You don't think other players around the league just lost respect for Ray? LOL. That's crazy talk...

Ray is now playing for the "Defending Champs" so he's automatically hated everywhere he goes. The fact that people are going to look at Ray and see that he has weaknesses that can easily be exploited... Well it's not hard to add 2 + 2... teams/players are going to look to attack Ray aggressively whether they think he's a traitor or not.

But there will be plenty of guys around the league (guys who respect Doc, Paul, KG, Rondo etc. that will have a little extra fuel against Ray, beyond the usual fuel of wanting to take down the Champs and a former Star player.

I just think Miami is making some poor choices. They're getting older and more fragile when they need to build a water tight roster. Ray, Battier, Miller, Haslem, Shard... lots of miles on those players and they're going to be counted on in ton of hostile situations and environments.

It's going to be tough for Lebron to carry all these old declining players to a title with a prematurely declining Wade and an at times suspect but otherwise really good Bosh. The Heat won a championship. Bravo!

Repeating isn't going to be easy and Ray isn't going to be the difference maker Miami thinks. They're just desperate for some of the Celtics moxy and mental toughness. It's understandable.

NorrisColeWorld · Post #1230 » by **NorrisColeWorld** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:30 pm

You are implying that people LIKE KG and Rondo and that players on other teams are going to attack a player with extra motivation for leaving his 3rd team in free agency as a 36 year old?Is that what youre telling me?

He's Heating Up · Post #1231 » by **He's Heating Up** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:33 pm

humblebum wrote:
But there will be plenty of guys around the league (guys who respect Doc, Paul, KG, Rondo etc. that will have a little extra fuel against Ray, beyond the usual fuel of wanting to take down the Champs and a former Star player.

Hahahaha you honestly think players from OTHER teams are going to attack and defend Ray harder to stick up for and "defend" Doc, Paul, KG and Rondo?! :lol:

Post #1232 » by **DayofMourning** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:34 pm

You don't think other players around the league just lost respect for Ray? LOL. That's crazy talk...

You mean around the media, or the anti-Heat bandwagon? I think players in the league know more than anyone that its a business and the word loyalty is just a fantasy created by hometown fans.

teams/players are going to look to attack Ray aggressively whether they think he's a traitor or not

Its not like he didn't just go to a team that creates much easier shots at the 3 point line than about any other in the league. If other teams aggressively defend Ray, then there are 3 better players on the Heat's roster who will take advantage of that.

I just think Miami is making some poor choices. They're getting older and more fragile when they need to build a water tight roster. Ray, Battier, Miller, Haslem, Shard... lots of miles on those players and they're going to be counted on in ton of hostile situations and environments.

Actually Miami is choosing the best players for their particular approach to bball. Allen and Lewis are very good additions. They fit Miami perfectly.

What players would you have them choose? And what available money would you have them spend on those players?

NorrisColeWorld · Post #1233 » by **NorrisColeWorld** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:35 pm

and why does everyone say repeating is so hard.Go and look at the past 20 NBA champions and how many of then repeated.Furthermore, the hate the Heat got in 2010 will NEVER be topped so Im pretty sure the addition of EVERYONES favorite Celtic who left the team as a 36 year old off of surgery is going to get everyone riled up.NO ONE cares but Celtics fans and players.

Stills12 · Post #1234 » by **Stills12** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:37 pm

humblebum wrote:A ring chaser leaving a contender to play against the team that beat the Celtics two years running...

You don't think other players around the league just lost respect for Ray? LOL. That's crazy talk...

No other players did not lose respect for Ray because other players are not Boston Celtics fans and don't think like a fan does.

humblebum wrote:Ray is now playing for the "Defending Champs" so he's automatically hated everywhere he goes.

Did anyone hate Fisher after Lakers won twice? How about Jason Terry or Jason Kidd.. or what about Vince Carter joining Mavs after they won a title?
Come back to reality bro, no non Celtics player cares long enough to carry that into the season and into the playoffs.

humblebum wrote:The fact that people are going to look at Ray and see that he has weaknesses that can easily be exploited... Well it's not hard to add 2 + 2... teams/players are going to look to attack Ray aggressively whether they think he's a traitor or not.

Agree but that's playing the game of basketball. It's not not holding grudges like you initially stated.

humblebum wrote:But there will be plenty of guys around the league (guys who respect Doc, Paul, KG, Rondo etc. that will have a little extra fuel against Ray, beyond the usual fuel of wanting to take down the Champs and a former Star player.

To assume a non Celtic player would would be willing to go extra hard at Ray because of some respect they have for current Celtics is foolish. You are trying to give perspective of a current NBA player yet are not thinking like one.

humblebum · Post #1235 » by **humblebum** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:38 pm

He didn't "just" leave in free agency... He left to play with the Defending Champs (proving himself to be a ring chaser) who also happened to be the team that just eliminated his team the last two years previous (everyone loves a good ol' "can't beat em join em mentality," eh? The laughter just won't stop.... hahaha!)... all while being offered more to stay with Doc and KG...

Now some will definitely not give a rat's you know what. I get that. Maybe MOST people won't care at all. But there will be plenty of others who will take issue with it, just based on principle. When you factor in that EVERYONE is against the Heat next year (if they didn't already hate them before, LOL) and now Ray is going to be the new fan object of scorn from arena to arena. Ray might end up being the next "Lebron" in terms of how he's perceived by fans and media from one year to the next (following the Decision Lebron went from universally respected... aside from Bayless, to universally detested, or nearly so).

Again 100% Ray is going to be a HUGE target for opposing teams, coaches, players and fans. No doubt about that.

Tim_Hardawayy · Post #1236 » by **Tim_Hardawayy** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:40 pm

I see we've entered the crazy portion of the thread.

humblebum · Post #1237 » by **humblebum** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:41 pm

And speaking from a scouts perspective Ray is an almost complete liability passing the ball. Just a terrible feel for passing especially when he's dribbling the ball. So if he gets doubled, it's almost never a good thing for the defense because it means he's about to prance around with his high dribble and toss the ball to the wrong team.

He's Heating Up · Post #1238 » by **He's Heating Up** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:43 pm

humblebum wrote:Again 100% Ray is going to be a HUGE target for opposing teams, coaches, players and fans. No doubt about that.

Ok opposition teams, focus all your energy and defense on Ray, dont worry bout Bron, Bosh and Wade....... If that is gonna be there mentality, it was an amazing signing by Miami.

Stills12 · Post #1239 » by **Stills12** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:44 pm

If Ray is going to be a target then he'll be for basketball reasons, not because he joined Miami Heat. Quit thinking like a fan and trying to convey your thought process as that of a player.

Players got their games to improve, checks to make and chicks to bang. They don't have the time to hate like a fan does.

Diggity Dave · Post #1240 » by **Diggity Dave** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:46 pm

humblebum wrote:And speaking from a scouts perspective Ray is an almost complete liability passing the ball. Just a terrible feel for passing especially when he's dribbling the ball. So if he gets doubled, it's almost never a good thing for the defense because it means he's about to prance around with his high dribble and toss the ball to the wrong team.

Pretty sure all the time he'll spend yawning and putting up wide open 3's will compensate for that.