Should Billy King be fired?

[jerseyjac]

I don't see what 21shump is doing wrong.

I think he's pretty accurate in what he's said so far. He's def not trolling.

Heck, there are Nets fans who troll us worse than anything 21shump is doing right now...

I just don't want to see him beat a dead horse and his comments to be misconstrued...it had nothing to do with accuracy...

[NyCeEvO]

I don't see what 21shump is doing wrong.

I think he's pretty accurate in what he's said so far. He's def not trolling.

Heck, there are Nets fans who troll us worse than anything 21shump is doing right now...

I just don't want to see him beat a dead horse and his comments to be misconstrued...it had nothing to do with accuracy...

That is true....

We have gone over this trade countless times and the majority of this board and everyone who is not a Nets fan is that it was a horrific trade.

I agree and I prefer to leave the "horse dead" rather than zombify it and keep talking about it over and over again.

We've all screamed, punched walls, and cried over it. We need to move on, cuz dwelling on the past will only make the present worse.

[Paradise]

In November, he looked like GM of the year. December, he should be fired? Nah. He had a very difficult hand that he was dealt with and he made the most out of it, especially with Dwight Coward pretty much holding everyone hostage in off-season moves.

However, I will say Billy screwed up with Teletovic signing and Toko signing. None of these guys have added anything and they are simply in need of the D-League. I won't give him flack for Toko because he could have panned out like Chris Copeland did for the Knicks but unfortunately, he's FAR from being an NBA ready player.

Getting CJ Watson at the vet min was a steal, Bogans was a solid pickup, Stackhouse was a lol worthy signing but he looked like a genius with it in November, Blatche was a low risk high reward signing and it has worked out fairly well, Reggie Evans was the best role player addition yet.

So, I really don't see why he should be fired. He did a very good job for the most part and it is really not his fault the team is under-preforming, I will say his biggest mistake was not getting expierenced NBA players and shooters instead of mixing veterans with defense and rookies with no expierence but those are minimal mistakes that can be cleaned up during the trade deadline or further down the wavier wire line.

People are over exaggerating with this stuff. Avery is gone, Billy took care of that and now it's his job to land Phil Jackson or a coach that is just as effective. Why would we fire him before he does this or shows he can get it done?

Are we seriously going to STILL whine about the Lillard trade too?

[NyCeEvO]

In November, he looked like GM of the year. December, he should be fired? Nah.

In November, Avery was Coach of the Year. December, he deserved to be fired? Nah.


Sorry, had to do it. You made it too easy lol.

[Paradise]

In November, he looked like GM of the year. December, he should be fired? Nah.

In November, Avery was Coach of the Year. December, he deserved to be fired? Nah.


Sorry, had to do it. You made it too easy lol.

That doesn't count with Billy. We all were fed up with Avery since pre-season.

[therealbig3]

Actually, after re-visiting some of King's decisions in this thread, yeah, he should have been fired a LONG time ago. He's been awful, and totally blew our chance at building a contender.

I can not see how anyone is honestly defending the Wallace trade. We have gone over it plenty of times, and it makes no sense from any angle. Deron barely mentioned Wallace as the reason why he stayed, he mentioned JJ specifically. I'm not even mad about the JJ trade, because he would have been a great 3rd option if we got a legit 2nd player. He cost us nothing in terms of talent, just cap space that we weren't going to have anyway.

Remember, it took a few days for Deron to decide where he wanted to go. Keep the pick, then sign Wallace to a deal immediately for 4 years, 40 million. NOBODY else offered that kind of deal to him. Everyone else maxed out at 8 million a year. You're telling me he turns down that kind of money? Heck, even make it 4 years, 44 million, or 48 million. Give him the condition that we need his decision within 2 days, or the deal is off the table. After he signs, trade for JJ. Now, you have JJ, Wallace, AND a top 5 pick (at minimum, our record would have been worse without Wallace that year). Deron re-signs. We would have used the pick and Lopez to acquire Dwight, in all likelihood.

Our starting lineup the next year:

PG - Deron
SG - JJ
SF - Wallace
PF - ?
C - Dwight

That was literally the MOST likely scenario if we had kept that pick. Or we trade for Harden instead of JJ, using that pick.

PG - Deron
SG - Harden
SF - Wallace
PF - Humphries
C - Lopez

Please spare me the excuse that Deron wanted JJ, and not Harden. Harden was an Olympian and the 6MOY, and he was already considered a far better player than JJ. If you gave Deron the choice, and if he was smart, he would have picked Harden over JJ ten times out of ten.

Or, if we got the #1 overall pick and got AD, we could have STILL constructed this lineup:

PG - Deron
SG - JJ
SF - Wallace
PF - Davis
C - Lopez

Some of you guys don't understand that Wallace was an UFA, and we overpaid him. Money talks, he would not have turned down a deal that pays him 2-3 million dollars more per year. We could have pulled off the JJ trade any time we wanted.

[Ronito]

Just as I thought he would, rookie Anthony Davis is already averaging 16/10 per 36 minutes. He's amazing.

If he wasn't hurt for a while, I don't see how he wouldn't be rookie of the year.

[NyCeEvO]

Many of us have been calling for Avery's head for the longest time but we knew that the fact that our roster sucked was always an argument that would trump our shouts for him to be fired.

But as soon as he could be held accountable, he was.

Proky is not playing games.

BK wasn't fired before because he was kinda playing with house money. We were supposed to be bad therefore his mistakes were written off. Now that Proky is demanding a return on investment and nothing is showing up, heads will be rolling.

If we're still playing .500 past Jan.15th, I expect a big trade.

If that doesn't spark things, BK is done at the end of the year.

[PetroNet]

1) it is moronic to try and say that Lopez wasnt going to get the max. there is no scenario in which we wouldnt not be forced to max out lopez. He would have had 1-3 other offers for the max, and signed those sheets.

2) other then trading for wallace(instead of waiting to sign him without giving anything up in free agency), choosing teletovic over green, and missing on the brooks pick(no big shame since it was a late pick) i dont think king really did all that poorly.

The Johnson trade was a good one given the circumstances. his contract is moot since we we'd be over the tax either way. the hump contract is beneficial. Lopez for the max was a no brainer. bringing back dwill was a no brainer. watson, evans, and bogans were good signings.

if you want to kill King for the wallace trade, im fine with that. it was a horrible, inexcuseable trade. but we've moved past that, and since, has done pretty well. he put us in position to get a huge score(Howard) and after missing still put a very solid team together with a pretty high ceiling.

Hell, we are off to a horrible start, lopez was injured for 7 games, we fired our coach and we are still sitting here with 16 wins 2 months into the season. i get as frustraded as anyone with losses cause im so emotionally invested in this team as a lifelong fan, but realistically, things have gone about as bad as possible and we are still over .500 even with having played the heatx2, knicks x3, celtics x3, okc x2, the spurs and lakers.

[PetroNet]

Right now? Probably not. Whats the Hornets record? And who is to say we get the first pick? You totally ignored what I said when I mentioned that we tried the tank wagon before.

he didint ignore what you said... you said:

And, call me delusional or whatever but AD, Beal, or MKG don't help us win now. Wallace does and hes arguably our most important player.

you outright said anthony davis doesnt help us win now. that is pretty laughable. I mean, he is basically all we are missing. an athletic PF who can rebound, defend, block shots, finish at the rim, and play above the rim. on top of that, he can stretch the floor a bit. he is a bigger, better version of crash.

The hornets record is irrelevant... what is relevant is what OUR record would be if we had davis isntead of crash. and i cant imagine it would be worse then it is now.

Not to mention that we didnt have to choose between the two! we gave crash 4/40. no one else was approaching that number. we'd get both! thats why the trade was so awful!

I mentioned that we tried the tank wagon before

it got us the #3 pick which turned into deron williams. had we gotten a top 5 pick, it may have helped us get dwight howard. or worse case, it gives us another excellent player while still having the same exact team we have right now

[rj2496]

1) it is moronic to try and say that Lopez wasnt going to get the max. there is no scenario in which we wouldnt not be forced to max out lopez. He would have had 1-3 other offers for the max, and signed those sheets.

2) other then trading for wallace(instead of waiting to sign him without giving anything up in free agency), choosing teletovic over green, and missing on the brooks pick(no big shame since it was a late pick) i dont think king really did all that poorly.

The Johnson trade was a good one given the circumstances. his contract is moot since we we'd be over the tax either way. the hump contract is beneficial. Lopez for the max was a no brainer. bringing back dwill was a no brainer. watson, evans, and bogans were good signings.

if you want to kill King for the wallace trade, im fine with that. it was a horrible, inexcuseable trade. but we've moved past that, and since, has done pretty well. he put us in position to get a huge score(Howard) and after missing still put a very solid team together with a pretty high ceiling.

Hell, we are off to a horrible start, lopez was injured for 7 games, we fired our coach and we are still sitting here with 16 wins 2 months into the season. i get as frustraded as anyone with losses cause im so emotionally invested in this team as a lifelong fan, but realistically, things have gone about as bad as possible and we are still over .500 even with having played the heatx2, knicks x3, celtics x3, okc x2, the spurs and lakers.

I usually never agree with anything you say, but I agree with this 100%.

[Jersey Generals]

I am staying out of this thread. Anybody who has any deep knowledge about the CBA knows my stance on the matter already.

[Keith Van Horn]

No way. He's done a great job putting a considerably good team together. They're just playing like garbage at the moment. They will get it together. However I still think there are some guys that should be moved and we still need a better starting PF and a 6th man.


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[nycefnl]

i was a hard critic and called for him to be fired too. But after this game...all that needs to be done is for Humphries and Evans to be gone...

[624]

i was a hard critic and called for him to be fired too. But after this game...all that needs to be done is for Humphries and Evans to be gone...

Evans??


Get rid of Hump, but not Evans. He shouldn't be a starter but he's a valuable guy to have and on a very cheap contract.

[jerseyjac]

Who knows, hopefully the Spurs game was the Nets hitting rock bottom, and we don't have see any other embarrassing losses like that...

PJ stated the difference between Spurs and OKC game was the Nets defense...players really focused on defending and not fouling keeping Durant and Westbrook off the line...

As much as I never liked the Wallace trade, his contract, etc.. if he can stay healthy,he defends the best players in the league as good as anybody...he was huge last night regardless of how many points KD scored, there was no better moment than Kevin showing his frustration and getting ejected from the game with practically no time on the clock...

[21shumpshumpst]

1) it is moronic to try and say that Lopez wasnt going to get the max. there is no scenario in which we wouldnt not be forced to max out lopez. He would have had 1-3 other offers for the max, and signed those sheets.

2) other then trading for wallace(instead of waiting to sign him without giving anything up in free agency), choosing teletovic over green, and missing on the brooks pick(no big shame since it was a late pick) i dont think king really did all that poorly.

The Johnson trade was a good one given the circumstances. his contract is moot since we we'd be over the tax either way. the hump contract is beneficial. Lopez for the max was a no brainer. bringing back dwill was a no brainer. watson, evans, and bogans were good signings.

if you want to kill King for the wallace trade, im fine with that. it was a horrible, inexcuseable trade. but we've moved past that, and since, has done pretty well. he put us in position to get a huge score(Howard) and after missing still put a very solid team together with a pretty high ceiling.

Hell, we are off to a horrible start, lopez was injured for 7 games, we fired our coach and we are still sitting here with 16 wins 2 months into the season. i get as frustraded as anyone with losses cause im so emotionally invested in this team as a lifelong fan, but realistically, things have gone about as bad as possible and we are still over .500 even with having played the heatx2, knicks x3, celtics x3, okc x2, the spurs and lakers.

The bolded is completely wrong. King DID NOT put you in the position to get Dwight Howard. Dwight Howard put you in the position to get Dwight Howard by listing your team as one of the two (LA) teams he would resign with.

The same situation happened with us and Melo. Our gm had nothing to do with it.

In a free market your offer of Lopez and picks gets trumped 100 times out of 100. King had nothing to do with you being in the running. Dwight did.

[N Ireland Nets]

I am staying out of this thread. Anybody who has any deep knowledge about the CBA knows my stance on the matter already.

Not trolling at all but in a word would you agree King should be fired or disagree in one word if you don't want to explain your opinion (by your post you clearly must have in other threads).

By the way just to be entirely clear here, I wouldn't fire Billy King unless Phil Jackson wanted to take over the coaching role asap with a GM he wants to work with to build a better franchise long term.

In reality I'd prefer King just not to have his contract re-newed in the summer once his deal expires. Would probably make more sense to bring in another GM if you weren't going to re-new his deal in the summer, before the draft or just right after the season ends, so that the new GM could make any move that needed to be done in line with the direction the head coach wants to play.

Like I said above in an ideal world we'd bring in Jackson as coach, Shaw his lead assistant to take over in a few years with Jackson moving to the front office side of things and with a GM decided upon with Jacksons approval, in other words someone he would like to work with long term.

[vincecarter4pres]

Here's the thing. King put together a very good on paper team. But he also passed up on some serious opportunities in order to do so and whatever you think of Crash(I love the guy) that trade was a panic move, an obvious panic move.

You have not only random writers, but also very credible ones that have said they were told Wallace could have been had for something like the Rockets pick and maybe ours with much tougher protection, but Portland's GM put Billy over a barrel and played him cause of the situation and that he knew Billy really had a thing for Wallace specifically and that Billy was just so happy to oblige.

The Joe Johnson trade? I'm still not a huge fan, but I didn't hate it and still don't for the fact at that point we were already capped out and needed to make moves. He's still a good player no matter his contract, but he's wildly inconsistent and there's no question he's in a bit of a decline even though that decline is exaggerated by the fact this team is still trying to find it's identity and gel with each other.

But another real test will be in the coming month and a half when we see who is dealt for expirings and a crap pick or two. That's when you will really be able to judge the JJ trade. Cause at that point you can look and honestly say, we could have dealt our expirings, the Houston pick and/or MarShon Brooks and/or another pick for those players while knowing damn well O.J. Mayo would have signed here as well.

And that's not to pump O.J. up, cause although I always felt he was a lot better then the last season and a half where he regressed, I don't know he's as good as he's shown this year, but what he is, is a solid above average starting shooting guard, just like JJ, although not as good or as physically prototypical for the position. But the point is, we still would have had a legit option to replace JJ as well.


Here's what Billy did... He had 250K to invest in his retirement back almost a decade ago, so instead of throwing it on the obvious at the time super high upside while still safe Google stock, or silver stock or gold, he puts it all in Exxon. The gold went way up and he basically would have quadrupled his money, Google and silver literally would have almost 7 to 9 timed it, but the Exxon only doubled so he could have retired a multimillionaire but instead is now only going to be borderline comfortable depending on inflation in relation to his pension and if SS holds up.

It's not just that he played it safe and overpaid, it's that the high upside moves available to him weren't even high risk, they were at worst medium or more so the same risk as the Exxon.

[Jersey Generals]

IF, and it's an if at this point, the swap pick deal is legit, then Vince, he way more than overpaid. It becomes to the point that Billy King completed two straight trades that can legitimately be called one of the worst ever and have a half-decent argument supporting the claim.