Proposed Trade with Golden State

[ChipButty]

Warriors currently have $73M in contracts for next year. They used the amnesty last year on Charlie Bell. Jack is a free agent and Landry could opt out of his $4M deal. They have never payed luxury tax, so unless they are willing to change this precedent, they have a problem.

Detroit Pistons need help on the wings. We could also use a pick in next years draft.

Rush, Jefferson, 14/15 first rounder for CV

We are basically swapping CV's 8.5M expiring for Jefferson's 11M expiring deal and picking up 2 assets. Warriors cut payroll by 6.5M, putting them under the luxury tax limit.

Rush was looking really good before he tore up his ACL. Career 41.3% from deep. Warriors no longer need him with Thompson and Barnes playing so well.

[Timmaytime]

I would be thrilled if we could pull this off, We pick up a 3 point specialist and a mid/late first rounder. The Dubs will have some issues if they want to resign Jarrett Jack, especially with Curry's extension kicking in, they could be looking for a trade like this. That being said, they might be looking for one more small asset (2nd rounder, Singler, Etc.) Which is perfectly fine especially with what we get back.

[DetroitDon15]

Warriors currently have $73M in contracts for next year. They used the amnesty last year on Charlie Bell. Jack is a free agent and Landry could opt out of his $4M deal. They have never payed luxury tax, so unless they are willing to change this precedent, they have a problem.

Detroit Pistons need help on the wings. We could also use a pick in next years draft.

Rush, Jefferson, 14/15 first rounder for CV

We are basically swapping CV's 8.5M expiring for Jefferson's 11M expiring deal and picking up 2 assets. Warriors cut payroll by 6.5M, putting them under the luxury tax limit.

Rush was looking really good before he tore up his ACL. Career 41.3% from deep. Warriors no longer need him with Thompson and Barnes playing so well.

I'd want a pick this year. No adding future picks. I'm sure the Warriors would ask us to Amneisty DNP-CV instead of trading his salary. They would be able to create a 12 million TPE which would give them huge value. We could nab 3 mill in cash so it cost less to cut DNP-CV. I would do this deal. Draymond Green, Richard Jefferson, 3 million cash and their 2013 First for a Second Round Pick, Green is added with the BG TPE so they would get a 12 mill TPE and a 800k TPE.

[theBigLip]

I like this kind of thinking - we might need to do something with our cap space besides swing and miss on Iggy, Mayo, etc.

That being said, if we haven't amnestied CV yet, I'm not so sure we'll do it now. He actually might be tradeable this year, although I would still prefer his cap space.

[ImHeisenberg]

Whether or not the Warriors would be open to a trade like this, these type of deals are exactly what Dumars should be going after.

Adding a potential asset, absorbing a salary and getting a future pick. I could see the Warriors being more open to this if they required the cap space to get something done, whether that's resigning Jack/Landry or going after another free agent.

Either way, I like it. Brandon Rush could be a nice shooter off the bench.

[Cowology]

Yeah, specifics aside I like this line of thinking.

[ChipButty]

It's been touched on in other threads, but OKC is the other team where a similar opportunity lies. They are pushing the luxury tax limit and probably have no interest in going over it.

Basically use our cap space to take on Jefferson (1 year 11M) & Perkins (2 year $9M) and pick up assets along the way. OKC has the #12 pick in this years draft, PJ3, and Jeremy Lamb, Like I mentioned in the OP, I'd want Brandon Rush, and a first round pick in 14/15 from the warriors.

Warriors could use the money to re-sign Jack and Landry.
OKC could use the cap space to attract a ring chasing vet like Millsap or Big Al.

[DetroitDon15]

Whether or not the Warriors would be open to a trade like this, these type of deals are exactly what Dumars should be going after.

Adding a potential asset, absorbing a salary and getting a future pick. I could see the Warriors being more open to this if they required the cap space to get something done, whether that's resigning Jack/Landry or going after another free agent.

Either way, I like it. Brandon Rush could be a nice shooter off the bench.

I'm not thinking of ways to add "roll" players. I'm looking at ways to acquire assets. Picks or players who will start are what I am looking at this offseason. Not role players.

[theBigLip]

Whether or not the Warriors would be open to a trade like this, these type of deals are exactly what Dumars should be going after.

Adding a potential asset, absorbing a salary and getting a future pick. I could see the Warriors being more open to this if they required the cap space to get something done, whether that's resigning Jack/Landry or going after another free agent.

Either way, I like it. Brandon Rush could be a nice shooter off the bench.

I'm not thinking of ways to add "roll" players. I'm looking at ways to acquire assets. Picks or players who will start are what I am looking at this offseason. Not role players.

I think Perkins is both a "role" and a (jelly) "roll" player

[ImHeisenberg]

I think Perkins is both a "role" and a (jelly) "roll" player

He lost 20 lbs, before the season began. Unfortunately, it didn't offset the 50 lbs he gained from the seaon prior.

If Golden State wants to trade, I guess someone will have to ask if the Warriors want to come out and plaaaaaaay.

[theBigLip]

I think Perkins is both a "role" and a (jelly) "roll" player

He lost 20 lbs, before the season began. Unfortunately, it didn't offset the 50 lbs he gained from the seaon prior.

If Golden State wants to trade, I guess someone will have to ask if the Warriors want to come out and plaaaaaaay.

[ImHeisenberg]

that's what I'm talking about!

[HotelVitale]

Good thought but I'm skeptical. Cutting 6.5m puts them 4m below the luxury, which wouldn't even be enough to re-sign Jack. I think they could just deal Rush for a 2nd--since Rush is a pretty cheap expiring who's still a useful player--and save a similar amount of money without losing any real assets. Or just pay the tax for a year until Biedrins, RJ, Rush, and Bogut expire.

And as I've explained a couple times before, teams will no longer be trading away later- round firsts unless they absolutely have to. Late first rookie deals are dirt cheap (no more than $1.5m), first rounders are only guaranteed two years under the new CBA, and there have been way too many productive guys drafted in the 20s the last couple of years. Every gm knows the value of those picks.

[ElectricMayhem]

Warriors currently have $73M in contracts for next year. They used the amnesty last year on Charlie Bell. Jack is a free agent and Landry could opt out of his $4M deal. They have never payed luxury tax, so unless they are willing to change this precedent, they have a problem.

Detroit Pistons need help on the wings. We could also use a pick in next years draft.

Rush, Jefferson, 14/15 first rounder for CV

We are basically swapping CV's 8.5M expiring for Jefferson's 11M expiring deal and picking up 2 assets. Warriors cut payroll by 6.5M, putting them under the luxury tax limit.

Rush was looking really good before he tore up his ACL. Career 41.3% from deep. Warriors no longer need him with Thompson and Barnes playing so well.

I'm not sure GS would do this trade, but unlike must trade proposals I've seen on this board, it's got merit.

What are some reasons it wouldn't happen?
1. It would basically mean Joe Dumars is admitting he royally effed up the Gordon trade. Why spend a pick to get cap space this year, when you're just going to trade it back for next year?

2. I'm sure the Warriors can find a way to get under the salary cap without having to give up a draft pick.

3. Mark Jackson talks a lot about wanting a grittier team that plays tough defense. CV doesn't fit into that line of thinking, even if he's only meant to ride the bench.

If they find themselves longing after Jack and it's the only way they can pull together the money for him, hey, they might give it a go. For our side, assuming we don't have a shot at Paul, I'd give it a go. Yes, it means we'll probably be lousy again next year, but draftwise, next year is the year to be lousy in.