How good do you see Andrew wiggins being?

[Altered_Beast]

superstar

ive been on the wiggins band wagon since i saw his high school highlights (mostly him dunking on everyone)

physically hes the most athletic player ive seen since lebron out of high school, he has the frame to get much stonger just like lebron.

i think he will win ROY and be an all star next season

he reminds me of T-mac

[Dukenukem23]

MKG with offense

Wiggins is 2 inches taller than MKG and far more athletic. I also don't think Wiggins has the fire that MKG has. That isn't to say Wiggins doesn't care---he is just a different person from MKG.

I just looked up the measurements and there is only a 1" difference in height. Don't let his calm demeanour fool you, Wiggins is extremely competitive as well he's just more of a leader by example than he is a vocal leader.

[strudel forever]

Shawn Marion

you are doing Marion a disservice. If Wiggins is ever as good as Marion as Marion was in his prime he will have been a great pick. Shawn Marion in my opinion is one of the most underrated players in our current era, if not ever.

So I take it you're not too high on Wiggins as a top 3 pick..

[NBAfan3024]

Marion was underrated, 20 and 10 most nights on good D

[Prokorov]

He just doesnt have the offensive skillset and athleticism isnt enough in todays league to get by.

I'm not really a fan of Wiggins, but saying he doesn't have the athleticism? His athleticism is one of the main reasons for him being picked so high.

i didnt say he didnt have athleticism. i said he didnt have the offensive skillset, and that he wont be able to get by on just his athleticism. reminds me of darius miles in that regard, although miles was a big mroe skilled

[Prokorov]

Ceiling is Vince Carter

Worst is Chandler Parsons without a shot.

Vince Carter was one of the most offensively skilled players weve seen come out in the past 20 or so years. He was more then just an elite athlete

And yet how did he look during/after his freshman year?

Pretty damn unimpressive. (Putting up 8/4/1)

You know that development is a thing right?

this is a terrible comparison. vince didnt play int he 1 and done era. he played an an era when guys stayed longer. he also played behind jerry stackhouse, and thus didnt get huge minutes. either way, even as a freshman it was clearly obvious that vince was special and one of the most skilled offensive players to come along in a while. he ball handling/court vision/shooting combined with his agility were outstanding.

there is 0 comparison between wiggins and carter from an offensive standpoint as freshman. wiggins isnt in the same universe as vince was. vince had the natural ability. wiggins doesnt

[The Infamous1]

More athletic prime shawn marion

[Prokorov]

I think Wiggins' jumper is MUCH better than people give it credit for. It needs work, but it isn't broken and he had some success shooting the 3. His shooting display against Florida was outstanding.

I view a very reasonable comp to Wiggins being P. George or K. Leonard. He could be a little worse than that or a little better. He could be 1 of the 5 best players in the game if everything breaks right for him. At the very least I see him being a consistent 18 and 7 guy that plays lock-down defense on the perimeter.

i dont think the problem is his jump shot. anyone can develop at least an ok shot with hard work and practice.

i think the issue is his ball handling, court vision, ability to drive to the rim, lack of a back to the basket game, and poor finsihing for a guy with his athleticism. those things are much harder to develop

[Prokorov]

A more athletic luol deng as his floor? Is that realistoc?

id say thats more his ceiling

[DayofMourning]

He's not the second coming that everyone wanted him to be. I hope he goes to Philly, or another good situation where he can play on a good team with good future prospects. He'll be expected to be the number one guy wherever he goes though, and I'm not sure I believe in him as the leader of a franchise. I wish him the best though.

[Rapcity_11]

Vince Carter was one of the most offensively skilled players weve seen come out in the past 20 or so years. He was more then just an elite athlete

And yet how did he look during/after his freshman year?

Pretty damn unimpressive. (Putting up 8/4/1)

You know that development is a thing right?

this is a terrible comparison. vince didnt play int he 1 and done era. he played an an era when guys stayed longer. he also played behind jerry stackhouse, and thus didnt get huge minutes. either way, even as a freshman it was clearly obvious that vince was special and one of the most skilled offensive players to come along in a while. he ball handling/court vision/shooting combined with his agility were outstanding.

there is 0 comparison between wiggins and carter from an offensive standpoint as freshman. wiggins isnt in the same universe as vince was. vince had the natural ability. wiggins doesnt

Talk about revisionist history. Nobody saw VC as this offensive standout that you refer to. He DEVELOPED over time, the same way Wiggins might. Carter could barely shoot 3's and FT's during his college career and didn't really develop as a passer until his 2nd year in the league.

The way you talk about Wiggins makes it seem like he is who he is as a 20 year old, which is insane.

[Prokorov]

And yet how did he look during/after his freshman year?

Pretty damn unimpressive. (Putting up 8/4/1)

You know that development is a thing right?

this is a terrible comparison. vince didnt play int he 1 and done era. he played an an era when guys stayed longer. he also played behind jerry stackhouse, and thus didnt get huge minutes. either way, even as a freshman it was clearly obvious that vince was special and one of the most skilled offensive players to come along in a while. he ball handling/court vision/shooting combined with his agility were outstanding.

there is 0 comparison between wiggins and carter from an offensive standpoint as freshman. wiggins isnt in the same universe as vince was. vince had the natural ability. wiggins doesnt

Talk about revisionist history. Nobody saw VC as this offensive standout that you refer to. He DEVELOPED over time, the same way Wiggins might. Carter could barely shoot 3's and FT's during his college career and didn't really develop as a passer until his 2nd year in the league.

The way you talk about Wiggins makes it seem like he is who he is as a 20 year old, which is insane.

its not revisionist history at all. and no one said he was a standout, but it was clearly he already had the skillset. he didnt need to develop much, he just need to hone what he already had. he was doing similar things his freshman year to his sophmore year... he just had more playing time without stackhouse there.

he had excellent ball handling, passing, agility, and finsihing right from day 1. the shooting doesnt matter, guys can develop shots. its those other things that are much much tougher to come by. sure you wont turn yourself into reggie miller, but with work guys can/will improve their shooting

shooting has nothing to do with why vince was insanely better from and offensive skill standpoint then wiggins in college. wiggins simply is just an athlete on offense. no finesse, no post game, no comfort with the ball in traffic, not smooth at all.

his shot doesnt cocern me at all. he works hard, id be suprised if he doesnt become at least a 33-35% 3 point shooter, especially since he is likely to be a 3 and D guy.

[Rapcity_11]

this is a terrible comparison. vince didnt play int he 1 and done era. he played an an era when guys stayed longer. he also played behind jerry stackhouse, and thus didnt get huge minutes. either way, even as a freshman it was clearly obvious that vince was special and one of the most skilled offensive players to come along in a while. he ball handling/court vision/shooting combined with his agility were outstanding.

there is 0 comparison between wiggins and carter from an offensive standpoint as freshman. wiggins isnt in the same universe as vince was. vince had the natural ability. wiggins doesnt

Talk about revisionist history. Nobody saw VC as this offensive standout that you refer to. He DEVELOPED over time, the same way Wiggins might. Carter could barely shoot 3's and FT's during his college career and didn't really develop as a passer until his 2nd year in the league.

The way you talk about Wiggins makes it seem like he is who he is as a 20 year old, which is insane.

its not revisionist history at all. and no one said he was a standout, but it was clearly he already had the skillset. he didnt need to develop much, he just need to hone what he already had. he was doing similar things his freshman year to his sophmore year... he just had more playing time without stackhouse there.

he had excellent ball handling, passing, agility, and finsihing right from day 1. the shooting doesnt matter, guys can develop shots. its those other things that are much much tougher to come by. sure you wont turn yourself into reggie miller, but with work guys can/will improve their shooting

shooting has nothing to do with why vince was insanely better from and offensive skill standpoint then wiggins in college. wiggins simply is just an athlete on offense. no finesse, no post game, no comfort with the ball in traffic, not smooth at all.

his shot doesnt cocern me at all. he works hard, id be suprised if he doesnt become at least a 33-35% 3 point shooter, especially since he is likely to be a 3 and D guy.

You still haven't addressed why Wiggins can't develop skills? Sure, it's not a guarantee or anything, but stop pretending he is what he is right now.

Look at a guy like Demar Derozan. He can in incredibly raw and had just about no ball skills when he came into the league. And look at him now.

(You're also way, way overrating VC's skills early in his career. His development was incredible. But whatever.)

[Prokorov]

You still haven't addressed why Wiggins can't develop skills? Sure, it's not a guarantee or anything, but stop pretending he is what he is right now.

but cause things like ball handling skills, finishing ability, flow with the ball, agility in traffic, passing, bbiq are not thing that are really developed... you usually have it or you dont, or they are developed really early on as a kid. you usually dont see 18 and 20 year olds who dont possess these skills develop them. they may get better, but its extremely unlikely they are every good, let alone great in those areas

Look at a guy like Demar Derozan. He can in incredibly raw and had just about no ball skills when he came into the league. And look at him now.

look at him now what? he shoots 42% from the field. he takes a ton of bad contested mid range jumpers. he gets to the FT line more now, but he was always at least good at getting to the FT line (5 attempts per game his second season/first year with starter minutes).

derozan is a really poor example of someone "developing skills" the only real difference between now and when he came in as a rookie is volume. basically he is getting the touches gay got. his shooting% has gone down and his usage% has gone way up.

(You're also way, way overrating VC's skills early in his career. His development was incredible. But whatever.)

go back and watch the film from high school and his freshman year. the guy could handle the rock and create offense. he could certainly finish, and he was very comfortable in traffic. iq was also through the roof.

[NickAnderson]

More athletic Shawn Marion

[j-ragg]

Rodney Carney.

[Tave]

Carter was certainly not a noticeably better shooter, scorer, ball handler, passer, or finisher than Wiggins during his first year at UNC, he simply wasn't, even when he got minutes. If anything they were extremely similar on offense, with Wiggins being a better defender.

[rockmanslim]

If you watched Kansas games last season, you should have been shocked by how clumsy, uncoordinated, and timid Wiggins was with the ball in his hands trying to create, or with opportunities to create, opportunities which he often turned down (receive ball on wing, remain upright, don't even get into a triple threat crouch, optionally take one, maybe two, feeble dribbles while looking for a teammate to hot potato it to even though you're one-on-one, pass off, jog to the weakside and stand in the corner...rinse and repeat).

[Rapcity_11]

but cause things like ball handling skills, finishing ability, flow with the ball, agility in traffic, passing, bbiq are not thing that are really developed... you usually have it or you dont, or they are developed really early on as a kid. you usually dont see 18 and 20 year olds who dont possess these skills develop them. they may get better, but its extremely unlikely they are every good, let alone great in those areas

So basically the only growth players can make is in shooting ability?

Of course all those areas can (and often are) developped. That's not even debatable. It's hard, and takes work, but to say guys are who they are in those areas is flat out pretty damn often.

look at him now what? he shoots 42% from the field. he takes a ton of bad contested mid range jumpers. he gets to the FT line more now, but he was always at least good at getting to the FT line (5 attempts per game his second season/first year with starter minutes).

derozan is a really poor example of someone "developing skills" the only real difference between now and when he came in as a rookie is volume. basically he is getting the touches gay got. his shooting% has gone down and his usage% has gone way up.

I'm talking about skills development man, not efficiency. Derozan came into the league unable to do anything other than finish in transition, shoot open mid-range jumpers and draw fouls. He could barely dribble the ball up the court. Now he can actually dribble the ball at an average 2 guard level, has a nice post games for a guard, can operate out of the P&R, etc. He has a complete game. Is he a legit all-star? No. But his basketball skills and IQ have developped tremendously over the years.

The fact that you think the only difference is volume is just laughable. Shows all you're doing is looking at b-ball ref.

[Prokorov]

Carter was certainly not a noticeably better shooter, scorer, ball handler, passer, or finisher than Wiggins during his first year at UNC, he simply wasn't, even when he got minutes. If anything they were extremely similar on offense, with Wiggins being a better defender.

im sorry, but its not close. wiggins is a really poor ball handler, and when in traffic is really flimsy with the ball and just doesnt have a good feel for the game on offense.

carter was the complete opposite. carter was always a really good ball handler and could always create off the dribble. and as far as a finsiher, again, not close. wiggins really struggles in that regard