Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 1)

[Rip2137]

I think we should take advantage of the fact that so many teams are suddenly trying to clear space. Take on Nash's contract and the number 7 from the Lakers, Move Teague to the Kings for the Number 8, take on Asik's contract. We would still have Millsap and Lou to get more talent and if the season goes south, Nash's expiring.

Now this is hedging alot on Nash being healthy to have a successful season but a line up of:
Nash/Schroder
Carroll/Draft pick/Jenkins hopefully
Millsap/Korver
Horford/Draft Pick/Antic
Asik/Bebe/Muscala

[MaceCase]

Completely disregarding that the draft occurs before free agency and when the team actually has cap space,
the season is likely going very south with that lineup so it's likely moves like that would be more akin to Ferry throwing in the towel and tanking which goes against what we've seen from him so far. He'd be more likely to get in on these free agents by dumping deals himself than go all in on draft picks.

[Rip2137]

I don't see how that lineup is a losing one.

Honestly, old Nash is better than young Teague with a healthy lineup. His shooting ability makes the P&R with Horford much more potent and he is a more consistent finisher around the basket. Again, this is assuming last year's health issues were a fluke(I think they were).

Asik adds rebounding and D, but again, I don't see how that's not at least a 45 win team, not even considering what we could bring in with three picks in the first 15.

If I am not mistaken, I'm pretty sure we can eat Nashes salary before the free agency period starts, and the Kings can eat Teagues, so I don't see how that would be a problem.

[azuresou1]

Why would you assume the 40 year old Steve Nash's chronic injuries which got worse are a fluke?

[MaceCase]

Nash has missed almost a hundred games over the last two seasons, his injuries last season were not a fluke as somebody such as you should know that he has been battling a back problem for ages. He has stated himself already that the biggest reason why he won't retire is because he wants the money.......that's not good for any projected lineup that has him starting. Having Schroder as the only depth behind him and Sap at the 3 is another iffy situation especially when the majority of value at those draft picks is in frontcourt players so how much production do you expect out of them when you have productive vets ahead of them?

Regardless you are very mistaken on the salary part. The season doesn't technically end until July 1st, contracts do not expire until that date and cap space does not technically become available until after the moratorium when the cap is actually set 7 days later, the draft is on Thursday.

[ATLHawksfan21]

I don't see how that lineup is a losing one.

Honestly, old Nash is better than young Teague with a healthy lineup. His shooting ability makes the P&R with Horford much more potent and he is a more consistent finisher around the basket. Again, this is assuming last year's health issues were a fluke(I think they were).

Asik adds rebounding and D, but again, I don't see how that's not at least a 45 win team, not even considering what we could bring in with three picks in the first 15.

If I am not mistaken, I'm pretty sure we can eat Nashes salary before the free agency period starts, and the Kings can eat Teagues, so I don't see how that would be a problem.

Do what? You are trying to start Milsap at the 3 as well? What is this sorcercy?

[Ball4life32]

I don't see how that lineup is a losing one.

Honestly, old Nash is better than young Teague with a healthy lineup. His shooting ability makes the P&R with Horford much more potent and he is a more consistent finisher around the basket. Again, this is assuming last year's health issues were a fluke(I think they were).

Asik adds rebounding and D, but again, I don't see how that's not at least a 45 win team, not even considering what we could bring in with three picks in the first 15.

If I am not mistaken, I'm pretty sure we can eat Nashes salary before the free agency period starts, and the Kings can eat Teagues, so I don't see how that would be a problem.

40 year old Nash is better than Teague? Is that a serious comment? Not even close

No way I do that trade. No to Millsap at the 3 or Carroll at the 2. Don't want Asik either...he is inept offensively. Awful lineup

[SBM]

Silly season is here. Trade ideas getting sillier and sillier

[Hawks champs]

Pretty sure Nash said he would retire if he got traded because he doesn't want to uproot his family and wants to live in LA long term

[hawkschop1]

Just accrued to me that the portland trailblazers could be a good suitor for lou williams. He would replace mo williams and is on an expiring deal giving them flexibility moving forward.

I'd move williams for 2 future second rounders if it means we can sign a marquee free agent such as gordon hayward or even grieves vasquez.

thoughts?

ps: hopefully lebron carmelo or bosh leaves the east for Houston. nice pick-up by NOLA imo

[SBM]

Just accrued to me that the portland trailblazers could be a good suitor for lou williams. He would replace mo williams and is on an expiring deal giving them flexibility moving forward.

I'd move williams for 2 future second rounders if it means we can sign a marquee free agent such as gordon hayward or even grieves vasquez.

thoughts?

ps: hopefully lebron carmelo or bosh leaves the east for Houston. nice pick-up by NOLA imo

Not a fan of anything Portland would likely be willing to send back

[theatlfan]

Pretty sure Nash said he would retire if he got traded because he doesn't want to uproot his family and wants to live in LA long term

Seen this a couple of times now, but Nash is divorced and his ex-wife and kids live in Phoenix. I think his wife is even remarried at this point. He wouldn't be technically be uprooting anyone if he went left LA.

The one ? with Nash and his kids is whether he'd want to be on the East Coast. He is a conscientious parent and wants to remain a part of his kids' lives. That is really hard when you a few time zones away - especially when you're ahead and have a night job.

Having said this, I seriously doubt that he'd retire over taking $10M - he's even admitted as much.

Just accrued to me that the portland trailblazers could be a good suitor for lou williams. He would replace mo williams and is on an expiring deal giving them flexibility moving forward.

I'd move williams for 2 future second rounders if it means we can sign a marquee free agent such as gordon hayward or even grieves vasquez.

thoughts?

ps: hopefully lebron carmelo or bosh leaves the east for Houston. nice pick-up by NOLA imo

PORT would be an intriguing option but there are some holes here. 1st, PORT doesn't have any 2nd round picks. They've traded them all away through 2017 and have even traded away the right to swap 2nds in '18. I'm sure a chit could be found though. 2nd, I'd guess that if PORT decides not to bring back Mo then they'd be willing to go with McCollum in the role. 3rd, and perhaps most importantly, what do we do with the $$? Here's the deal with our cap situation. We have ~$10M in "real" cap room this off-season but we also open up ~$17.5M next off-season. That enough $$ to chase some really big names in FA and I just can't see taking that $$ and committing to a backup PG or an RFA who'd take an SNT to land anyway. Seems like there's a pretty big hole as to what to do on the backside of this plan...

[ATL Boy]

Yea, noone's gonna give up $10 mil just to stay in LA for one year. He can just move back to the West Coast in another year, $10 million richer.

[hawkschop1]

Why wait for next summer to use cap space? why not now? the east is pretty much wide open! how long have hawks fans "waited until next summer?"

there isn't a hole on the back end of my trade idea. I stated that the hawks should sign someone this offseason there are good options out there not named lebron or carmelo bc there aint coming here

the blazers if interest could just throw us a stashed pick from 25 years ago it doesnt matter! lets get more cap space and get talent. lou while dynamic at times is a poor defender and I'd like to see him upgraded

[theatlfan]

Why wait for next summer to use cap space? why not now? the east is pretty much wide open! how long have hawks fans "waited until next summer?"

there isn't a hole on the back end of my trade idea. I stated that the hawks should sign someone this offseason there are good options out there not named lebron or carmelo bc there aint coming here

the blazers if interest could just throw us a stashed pick from 25 years ago it doesnt matter! lets get more cap space and get talent. lou while dynamic at times is a poor defender and I'd like to see him upgraded

Like the passion, but let's slow down here. You're trading away a player to a team that probably doesn't want him for an asset/s they don't have (or can't trade) to get cap space to sign a backup player that we'd have the cap space to sign without the trade... there are holes in there you could drive a truck though.

The The basic highlights of this plan: Step 1) Trade Lou; Step 2) ??? (but not Melo or LBJ); Step 3) Championship! I really don't know what to say here (except for I'm pretty sure I should make a South Park reference somehow...)

Look, all I'm saying is that if you want to dump Lou, then we might as well have someone that we could realistically land in mind that we actually need that $$ for (h3ll, I'll take even someone semi-realistic) instead of just a "LETS SIGN ALL THE FAs!!!!! SOMEONE MUST BE WORTH IT!!!!1". I mean, seriously, if Melo or LBJ are out, then who out there is the guy who could elevate us from a 1st or 2nd round out to a legit title contender? If he's there, then I'm game, but I fear he's not... but there are guys there in the '15 class who I think could elevate the team to that level. So why blow the $$ we already have earmarked for a time when we could land someone who could elevate us to a championship level to spend $$ now for someone who can't? That's what doesn't make sense to me...

[ATLHawksfan21]

Why wait for next summer to use cap space? why not now? the east is pretty much wide open! how long have hawks fans "waited until next summer?"

there isn't a hole on the back end of my trade idea. I stated that the hawks should sign someone this offseason there are good options out there not named lebron or carmelo bc there aint coming here

the blazers if interest could just throw us a stashed pick from 25 years ago it doesnt matter! lets get more cap space and get talent. lou while dynamic at times is a poor defender and I'd like to see him upgraded

Our biggest need is a wing that can create off the dribble and there really isnt one available this year. Deng and ariza are about the only ones available. Parson and heyward are tempting but they are rfa and we will have to overpay for them. I dont see ferry as a guy who is eager to overpay any one.

Next years class is much deeper than this years and we will have a ton of cap room

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[azuresou1]

Why wait for next summer to use cap space? why not now? the east is pretty much wide open! how long have hawks fans "waited until next summer?"

there isn't a hole on the back end of my trade idea. I stated that the hawks should sign someone this offseason there are good options out there not named lebron or carmelo bc there aint coming here

the blazers if interest could just throw us a stashed pick from 25 years ago it doesnt matter! lets get more cap space and get talent. lou while dynamic at times is a poor defender and I'd like to see him upgraded

Like the passion, but let's slow down here. You're trading away a player to a team that probably doesn't want him for an asset/s they don't have (or can't trade) to get cap space to sign a backup player that we'd have the cap space to sign without the trade... there are holes in there you could drive a truck though.

The The basic highlights of this plan: Step 1) Trade Lou; Step 2) ??? (but not Melo or LBJ); Step 3) Championship! I really don't know what to say here (except for I'm pretty sure I should make a South Park reference somehow...)

Look, all I'm saying is that if you want to dump Lou, then we might as well have someone that we could realistically land in mind that we actually need that $$ for (h3ll, I'll take even someone semi-realistic) instead of just a "LETS SIGN ALL THE FAs!!!!! SOMEONE MUST BE WORTH IT!!!!1". I mean, seriously, if Melo or LBJ are out, then who out there is the guy who could elevate us from a 1st or 2nd round out to a legit title contender? If he's there, then I'm game, but I fear he's not... but there are guys there in the '15 class who I think could elevate the team to that level. So why blow the $$ we already have earmarked for a time when we could land someone who could elevate us to a championship level to spend $$ now for someone who can't? That's what doesn't make sense to me...

I would dump Lou Will for straight up cap space if I could. He doesn't make our team any better while clogging up $5M in cap space.

At this point, Melo & LeBron AREN'T out yet. A few days ago you were pessimistic about us even being mentioned as a landing spot for those guys. Now we're warranting consistent mention, albeit as a third or fourth option, on national media.

Realistically you don't contend without a superstar. How many superstars are out there? If you have a CHANCE to sign a superstar, you have to do everything possible to optimize that chance.

[theatlfan]

I would dump Lou Will for straight up cap space if I could. He doesn't make our team any better while clogging up $5M in cap space.

At this point, Melo & LeBron AREN'T out yet. A few days ago you were pessimistic about us even being mentioned as a landing spot for those guys. Now we're warranting consistent mention, albeit as a third or fourth option, on national media.

Realistically you don't contend without a superstar. How many superstars are out there? If you have a CHANCE to sign a superstar, you have to do everything possible to optimize that chance.

Apparently, I've been misconstrued here...

1st, I'm on board with dumping Lou - h3ll, I'd give up an asset/s to do it. My problem comes in if the plan is just to dump him for the sake of dumping him though; we need a definite and "realistic" plan before we should just go around and give players away. If the only FA plans are to chase FAs that we'd have the cap room to sign without dumping Lou or chase RFAs that the current team is likely to match, then no, I really don't see the point in dumping Lou. What happens if we're left with having to acquire someone just to meet the salary floor? We'd end up dumping Lou just to take on another salary dump down the line. That's not the kind of moves that good franchises make. OTOH, if the plan has a Melo or a Lebron in our sights and there's a legit shot at signing one (or both), then by all means, let's dump Lou. (We'd have to dump someone else too, but we can get to that later.)

2nd, I was never really pessimistic about our chances to land Lebron - I don't think we're a frontrunner or anything but I think he'd give us at least casual consideration if he were truly open. My problem then was more that a thread about a national writer putting us in the Lebron conversation somehow devolved into a Melo argument when, at the time, no one had linked us to Melo outside of solely message board speculation. Lebron is unquestionably the best basketball player in the world right now and any team that acquires him is automatically in the talks of being a championship contender sooner over later; Melo is a superstar but not on that level. I would have thought that the excitement over being linked to Lebron would have outweighed the Melo argument that had been raging here for weeks but I was wrong. (Aside: I've been open about not being a Melo backer, but I'm still disappointed about the report that we won't get a meeting with Melo after FA begins. Maybe things will change between now and after we start making phone calls on 7/1.)

Now, I'm on board with chasing a superstar and if we honestly thought that Lebron and even Melo were coming here, then I'd agree that we'd have to open cap room for him. I'd suggest we do something like HOU has with Lin where they've already announced that they have a deal to dump Lin if they can land a Melo or Lebron instead of dumping Lou now without any deal in place. Even so, I do think that the more "realistic" plan for us to acquire a star/superstar would be to spend wisely this FA period then going feet first next FA period, but I'm definitely open to moving that time table around if options present themselves.

[Jamaaliver]

<sigh>

Again, time will tell. I predict CLE will have a fire sale if they miss out on the playoffs this year. If Kyrie doesn't agree to an extension this summer, I predict Kyrie will be moved in the next 12 months.

Right or wrong, I stand by the prediction. No quantifiers. No apples to oranges.

TIME...will tell.

Cheese...and friggin' rice. Geez.

Wouldn't be much of a historian if I omitted things when they didn't suit me.

I got this whole thing wrong. No fire sale. my prediction was based on Kyrie declining the extension. As MaceCase pointed out, no one turns down that much money.

I was wrong, he was right.

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[ATLHawksfan21]

You just made me laugh out loud at work with that Ron Burgundy GIF.