[Grantland] Details to new lottery reform proposal

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[Grantland] Details to new lottery reform proposal 

Post#1 » by desi tmac91 » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:46 pm

The league’s proposal gives at least the four worst teams the same chance at winning the no. 1 pick: approximately an identical 11 percent shot for each club. The odds decline slowly from there, with the team in the next spot holding a 10 percent chance. The lottery team with the best record will have a 2 percent chance of leaping to the no. 1 pick, up from the the minuscule 0.5 percent chance it has under the current system.

The proposal also calls for the drawing of the first six picks via the Ping-Pong ball lottery, sources say. The current lottery system actually involves the drawing of only the top three selections. The rest of the lottery goes in order of record, from worst to best, after the top-three drawing is over.

The league could implement lottery reform as early as next season, though there are many hurdles to overcome before then. And it’s important to note that the league has kicked around several different proposals with varying weights; the 11 percent figure for the first teams is not universal among those proposals, sources say.


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Post#2 » by reanimator » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:48 pm

After rigging it for Lebron and the Cavs now they want fairness lol
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Post#3 » by Greatness » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:48 pm

That actually doesn't eliminate tanking at all, as teams will try desperately to get into the top 4 or even top 6.
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Post#4 » by Saints14 » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:48 pm

I don't understand this. Give the #1 pick to the team with the worst record. Cleveland had no business getting Wiggins.
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Post#5 » by Tony Franciosa » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:49 pm

I'm fine with this type of revision. You can't include every team in the lottery. No other league gives the best teams a chance to have the best picks. You risk bad teams staying bad forever.
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Post#6 » by NYK512 » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:50 pm

Would be a lot more entertaining if every lottery team could send a representative to participate in a hot dog eating contest for the rights to #1.

Of course this brings other issues into play, as the Sixers would immediately sign Joey Chestnut as a consultant and claim he's just showing their young players how to win.
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Post#7 » by ZCM93 » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:50 pm

Start it up next year.
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Re: [Grantland] Details to new lottery reform proposal 

Post#8 » by orlandomike » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:50 pm

Lottery is a joke. All it does is it gives a few teams a long shot at the top 3 picks. Just do them in order. Teams will tank anyway.
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Post#9 » by Wonderllama » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:51 pm

I love it. Anything that stops rewarding the tankers is OK with me
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Post#10 » by cpfsf » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:52 pm

there is no perfect system. this debate will never end.
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Re: [Grantland] Details to new lottery reform proposal 

Post#11 » by desi tmac91 » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:52 pm

Greatness wrote:That actually doesn't eliminate tanking at all, as teams will try desperately to get into the top 4 or even top 6.


But if you're already like bottom 3 or with the 5th worst record and with no hopes of moving up in the odds then you have no incentive to throw away games. This is actually a really good proposal.

Also love the idea of expanding the drawing from 3 to 6.
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Post#12 » by gamer4Life » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:53 pm

Adjust the weighting to decrease or eliminate the odds of getting selected if your ball was drawn in previous years.

So a team that received the #1 pick and finished last will receive lower odds the following years.
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Re: [Grantland] Details to new lottery reform proposal 

Post#13 » by Sark » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:56 pm

The Wheel is still the best and most fair solution.
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Re: [Grantland] Details to new lottery reform proposal 

Post#14 » by The Penguin » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:57 pm

Cleveland won't be getting pity #1 picks anymore, no reason to overhaul the lotto, just go back to rewarding new owners and placing players in their home cities.
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Re: [Grantland] Details to new lottery reform proposal 

Post#15 » by dice » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:57 pm

reanimator wrote:After rigging it for Lebron and the Cavs now they want fairness lol

dude, this gives longshots like the cavs a BETTER chance :nonono:

and why the hell would they be proposing any changes at all if it was rigged?

can the rigging nonsense stop now?
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Re: [Grantland] Details to new lottery reform proposal 

Post#16 » by harold lewis » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:02 pm

Great apropos comment on the author Zack Lowe from the comments section:

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Re: [Grantland] Details to new lottery reform proposal 

Post#17 » by mopper8 » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:03 pm

Greatness wrote:That actually doesn't eliminate tanking at all, as teams will try desperately to get into the top 4 or even top 6.


Who said the goal is to eliminate tanking? The only way to eliminate tanking is to do a straight up unweighted lottery for the top-16 picks. But that has major implications before parity/competitive balance. The idea is to strike the proper balance between encouraging competition during the season and aiding the worse-off in getting better in the offseason.

This proposal is pretty strong, because it reduces the value of a bad record in the draft. As of right now, if you have the worst record, you get a 25% shot at the top pick--that's pretty strong! Under the new proposal, that drops to an 11% shot, co-equal with 3 other teams. All of a sudden not as valuable to have the worst record, so less incentive to seek the worst record.

Further, the downside to tanking (aside from the lost season) in the lottery is limited, because the league only pulls 3 draft slots from the lottery. So even with the worst record, you're still guaranteed at least the #4 pick. Under the new proposal, you'd only be guaranteed the #7 pick. That's actually a pretty decent drop off. See, e.g., here and here. By average career production, the 4th pick is likely to be an all-star (60% likely to have all-star like production, median players are guys like Mashburn, Odom), whereas the 7th pick, less than a third develop into stars and the average production is nothing special (Lorenzen Wright, Roy Tarpley).

Losing a season might be worth it for a 60% shot at a star but not for a 30% shot at a star.

I think this is precisely what the league should be doing. It's only missing 1 key piece. The league should change the rookie scale such that the players who are picked in the lottery slots (in this scenario, 1-6) earn significantly more than their counterparts. One of the benefits of tanking is that you get cheap labor...if the player works out, you have an amazing deal, and if he doesn't, he's on a cheap rookie scale deal. No monetary downside! If you start making those picks a little expensive, teams might think twice about tanking, because there is real risk if you blow it. Might make the 7th & 8th picks more valuable than the 5th & 6th, actually--another reason why teams might not be as eager to tank.
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Re: [Grantland] Details to new lottery reform proposal 

Post#18 » by fart » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:05 pm

So essentially, the team with the worst record in the NBA could end up with the 7th pick in this system? :crazy:
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Re: [Grantland] Details to new lottery reform proposal 

Post#19 » by Scalabrine » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:06 pm

Saints14 wrote:I don't understand this. Give the #1 pick to the team with the worst record. Cleveland had no business getting Wiggins.


And the sixers did? You can't reward a team for giving away quality players for nothing.


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Re: [Grantland] Details to new lottery reform proposal 

Post#20 » by reanimator » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:06 pm

dice wrote:
reanimator wrote:After rigging it for Lebron and the Cavs now they want fairness lol

dude, this gives longshots like the cavs a BETTER chance :nonono:

and why the hell would they be proposing any changes at all if it was rigged?

can the rigging nonsense stop now?


Cavs won't be in the lottery so it doesn't

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