The Marvin Gaye Williams Thread

Post #461 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:06 pm

I dislike this signing even more now we have Lance.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #462 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:28 pm

Was there anyone out there that the Hornets could have gotten for sure? Trades are nice but not guarenteed. The team needed spacing with McBob gone. Williams can do that while reducing pressure on the young guys.

I do wish McBob was back, but it is what it is.

mrknowitall215 · Post #463 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:32 pm

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:Was there anyone out there that the Hornets could have gotten for sure? Trades are nice but not guarenteed. The team needed spacing with McBob gone. Williams can do that while reducing pressure on the young guys.

I do wish McBob was back, but it is what it is.

Kris Humphries was signed for less money a few days later. I also wonder if we could've gotten in on that DeJuan Blair trade that the Wizards got from the Mavericks

BlackOutBuzz · Post #464 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:38 pm

Hump doesn't really provide #spacing though.

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Post #465 » by **JDR720** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:42 pm

We signed Marvin because he was the best fit and can play PF and SF

mrknowitall215 · Post #466 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:43 pm

BlackOutBobcat wrote:Hump doesn't really provide #spacing though.

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Tolliver did (41 3P%), and we let him walk for a cheaper price than we signed Williams (36%). Tolliver made 102 3-pointers to Williams' 84 last season while playing almost 400 minutes less of total playing time

HornetJail · Post #467 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:46 pm

JDR720 wrote:We signed Marvin because he was the best fit and can play PF and SF

And Tolliver wasn't?

Post #468 » by **JDR720** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:48 pm

BizGilwalker wrote:
JDR720 wrote:We signed Marvin because he was the best fit and can play PF and SF

And Tolliver wasn't?

Marvin can do more than just spot-up shooting, I dont like that we overpaid him tho, he only makes 2 million less than Lance lol

amcoolio · Post #469 » by **amcoolio** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:53 pm

Marvin is a good signing if we can get rid of Henderson. Hes basically a Henderson who can play SF/PF comfortably.

The signing sucks if we keep both of them. With Lance now all Marvin has to do is catch and shoot open 3's. He should be able to do that at least.

mrknowitall215 · Post #470 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:54 pm

JDR720 wrote:
BizGilwalker wrote:
JDR720 wrote:We signed Marvin because he was the best fit and can play PF and SF

And Tolliver wasn't?

Marvin can do more than just spot-up shooting, I dont like that we overpaid him tho, he only makes 2 million less than Lance lol

I don't want Marvin Williams trying to do anything more than just spot shooting at this point in his career. His footwork is rather disruptive to himself and he has a recurring sore Achilles tendon

MKGsMotor · Post #471 » by **MKGsMotor** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:55 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
JDR720 wrote:
BizGilwalker wrote:And Tolliver wasn't?

Marvin can do more than just spot-up shooting, I dont like that we overpaid him tho, he only makes 2 million less than Lance lol

I don't want Marvin Williams trying to do anything more than just spot shooting at this point in his career. His footwork is rather disruptive to himself and he has a recurring sore Achilles tendon

are you saying we signed a spot shooter with below average defense for 7 mil a year

mrknowitall215 · Post #472 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:59 pm

MKGsMotor wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
JDR720 wrote:Marvin can do more than just spot-up shooting, I dont like that we overpaid him tho, he only makes 2 million less than Lance lol

I don't want Marvin Williams trying to do anything more than just spot shooting at this point in his career. His footwork is rather disruptive to himself and he has a recurring sore Achilles tendon

are you saying we signed a spot shooter with below average defense for 7 mil a year

Yes. Read the lengthy article I posted maybe on the previous page

Post #473 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:08 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
JDR720 wrote:
BizGilwalker wrote:And Tolliver wasn't?

Marvin can do more than just spot-up shooting, I dont like that we overpaid him tho, he only makes 2 million less than Lance lol

I don't want Marvin Williams trying to do anything more than just spot shooting at this point in his career. His footwork is rather disruptive to himself and he has a recurring sore Achilles tendon

I think he can do everything that McRoberts did, and he is an upgrade as an outside shooter. We weren't regularly relying on McRoberts to create off the dribble, and I don't think that's the role that Williams should have.

Post #474 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:17 pm

MKGsMotor wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
JDR720 wrote:Marvin can do more than just spot-up shooting, I dont like that we overpaid him tho, he only makes 2 million less than Lance lol

I don't want Marvin Williams trying to do anything more than just spot shooting at this point in his career. His footwork is rather disruptive to himself and he has a recurring sore Achilles tendon

are you saying we signed a spot shooter with below average defense for 7 mil a year

mrknowitall215 · Post #475 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:13 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
JDR720 wrote:Marvin can do more than just spot-up shooting, I dont like that we overpaid him tho, he only makes 2 million less than Lance lol

I don't want Marvin Williams trying to do anything more than just spot shooting at this point in his career. His footwork is rather disruptive to himself and he has a recurring sore Achilles tendon

I think he can do everything that McRoberts did, and he is an upgrade as an outside shooter. We weren't regularly relying on McRoberts to create off the dribble, and I don't think that's the role that Williams should have.

Upon further review, McRoberts is a superior player to Marvin Williams. We should've offered McRoberts the same contract that we offered Williams, and I'm sure he wouldn't have deserted us

...or better yet, we just shouldn't have offered Williams that contract at all out of desperation. I'm sorry if it come off like I'm attacking you, because I'm not. The Williams signing was just that horrible that it ramps up my testosterone in a bit of rage

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 02&y2=2014

If you look at the above player comparison via Basketball-Reference using advanced stats instead of raw numbers, McRoberts is the better 3-point shooter, the better rebounder, the better passer, and the better defender by a wide margin, while they are equal on almost every statistic that I haven't aforementioned in this sequence

Elden Payton · Post #476 » by **Elden Payton** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:19 pm

This deal is great now, we have to provide spacing from at least one position.

Starting either Cody or VonBosh would tank our PO chances.

This deal also gave us leverage over Lance that we didn't have with Hayward.

SWedd523 · Post #477 » by **SWedd523** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:37 pm

This signing just doesn't make much sense. Marvin makes sense as a player, but I just don't know why Cho (who by all accounts has done a good job with contracts in his time here) decided to toss that much money at him. Even if it's just for two years, I'm having trouble understanding it.

mrknowitall215 · Post #478 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:48 pm

Sik Infant wrote:Starting either Cody or VonBosh would tank our PO chances.

Pardon me, I had to laugh at that

Wait until you see Marvin Williams then because he won't fair any better. Williams has been a net negative player in 6 of his 9 seasons (and 5 of the 9 teams were winning teams) in the NBA

Post #479 » by **JDR720** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:50 pm

Marvin should be entering the middle of his prime in Charlotte, we gonna get the best Marvin he has ever been

mrknowitall215 · Post #480 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:52 pm

If Marvin Williams have a decent tenure in Charlotte, I want for the entire board to ridicule me as not knowing a thing about basketball

My best friend was a Atlanta Hawks fan during the years they had Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Al Horford, Mike Bibby, and even Jamal Crawford, and I was force-fed to watch several of their games on occasion. I remember Marvin Williams vividly, and he didn't get any better upon leaving Atlanta in Utah