Towns or Okafor or Mudiay or Russel?

[PeteW]

At this moment give me Towns or Mudiay over Okafor. Something about Okafor reminds me more of the Al Jefferson, Curry, Blopez under the rim prototype. Give me a skilled guy like Towns who alters a ton of shots and can really pass the rock, his offense will come later.

[DaGawd]

Towns is too much of a project for my liking. If it was me I'm taking Okafor..the sure thing

[RHODEY]

Any thoughts on Frank Kaminsky?

From 2014-2015 Season Preview http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/30/2014-15-season-preview-big-men-jahlil-okafor-frank-kaminsky-karl-towns-kentucky-duke/
THE TOP TEN

1. Jahlil Okafor, Duke: It’s high praise for a true freshman to be ranked No. 1 on this list, but then again, Okafor isn’t your typical college freshman. Many viewed Okafor as the No. 1 player in the country in the 2014 class and the 6-foot-11 center is patient, skilled and comes from a winning pedigree. Okafor was a major factor for USA Basketball during his high school career and enters Duke as an instant double-team threat whenever he gets his mitts on a post touch. Coach K will ride his new center as far as he can take him.

2. Frank Kaminsky, Wisconsin: Now a senior, the 7-foot Kaminsky had a breakout junior season, averaging 13.9 points and 6.2 rebounds per game on 52 percent field-goal shooting, 76 percent free-throw shooting and 37 percent three-point shooting. A rare inside-outside offensive threat at center, Kaminsky can be a nightmare to defend because he can stretch the floor, is a patient passer and doesn’t force too many shots. If the Wisconsin big man has a weakness, it’s on the defensive end, where he’s an average rebounder and positional defender on his own.

3. Karl Towns, Jr., Kentucky: You’ll see plenty of Kentucky big men on this list — and quite fairly, as they’re all McDonald’s All-Americans with a lot of talent — but the 6-foot-11 freshman might be the most talented and productive of them all in 2014-15. Towns was a member of the Dominican Republic’s senior national team as a 16-year-old and has steadily improved his overall game ever since. During the Wildcats’ summer exhibition tour in the Bahamas, Towns, at times, looked like the team’s most talented overall player and he’s more offensively skilled than any other Kentucky center.

[yaboynyp]

Any thoughts on Frank Kaminsky?

From 2014-2015 Season Preview http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/30/2014-15-season-preview-big-men-jahlil-okafor-frank-kaminsky-karl-towns-kentucky-duke/
THE TOP TEN

1. Jahlil Okafor, Duke: It’s high praise for a true freshman to be ranked No. 1 on this list, but then again, Okafor isn’t your typical college freshman. Many viewed Okafor as the No. 1 player in the country in the 2014 class and the 6-foot-11 center is patient, skilled and comes from a winning pedigree. Okafor was a major factor for USA Basketball during his high school career and enters Duke as an instant double-team threat whenever he gets his mitts on a post touch. Coach K will ride his new center as far as he can take him.

2. Frank Kaminsky, Wisconsin: Now a senior, the 7-foot Kaminsky had a breakout junior season, averaging 13.9 points and 6.2 rebounds per game on 52 percent field-goal shooting, 76 percent free-throw shooting and 37 percent three-point shooting. A rare inside-outside offensive threat at center, Kaminsky can be a nightmare to defend because he can stretch the floor, is a patient passer and doesn’t force too many shots. If the Wisconsin big man has a weakness, it’s on the defensive end, where he’s an average rebounder and positional defender on his own.

3. Karl Towns, Jr., Kentucky: You’ll see plenty of Kentucky big men on this list — and quite fairly, as they’re all McDonald’s All-Americans with a lot of talent — but the 6-foot-11 freshman might be the most talented and productive of them all in 2014-15. Towns was a member of the Dominican Republic’s senior national team as a 16-year-old and has steadily improved his overall game ever since. During the Wildcats’ summer exhibition tour in the Bahamas, Towns, at times, looked like the team’s most talented overall player and he’s more offensively skilled than any other Kentucky center.

He’s good but too slow too unathletic and you have to question his upside.… Prob late lottery to mid first

[yaboynyp]

For all the talk about Mudiay Towns and Okafor the best HS player in the nation last year was Stanley Johnson and it wasn’t really close.. He even matched up against Okafor last year in a game he dominated. He controlled the game from start to finish, ran the point on offense, and guarded Okafor on D largely keeping him in check. He’s been the best producer in his class the last couple years for sure and his college numbers on a loaded AZ team are impressive

Think he’s already leading AZ in scoring this year for whatever reason he constantly gets overlooked but he has all the tools and is a for sure 2 way guy

Def somebody to consider if we end up in that 4-8 range..

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yk3uPL4s-U[/youtube]

[N8isScofield]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw27QDi4rvc[/youtube]

Mudiay vs. Marbury
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ1GAWao4ZU[/youtube]

Mudiay injury
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDvPEUvGwFg[/youtube]

For the people who haven't seen Mudiay. Reminds me of Marbury, just bigger.

Kid has talent but he definitely looks like on of those guys who is going to have to work on the fundamentals, especially his shooting. His shot is kind of awkward and unbalanced and the release needs to be quicker but a good shooting coach could probably iron that out in a summer or two.

[N8isScofield]

Okafor is more of a back to the basket big. He has great footwork, can score over each shoulder. Has long arms and great hands to get bounds out of area. He has good athleticism and can play ferocious at times but also like a lot of young players can not be as aggressive as he should be. He has Nba level athleticism and can dunk on you but more bull than a finesse guy.

Towns is either 7ft or dam close. He’s not an NBA plus athlete but he can do it all. Shoots it well from the outside can post inside and also in the midrange. More of like a Dirk Nowitzki type. More of a Finesse guy but has shown the ability/desire to play physical. Still though as most young players he can improve in that area.

Towns has more skills for sure might be better long term. Okafor is more of a sure thing though as you know exactly what he is. A dominate low post scorer. Towns could be the next Nowitzki or a better Barniangni really depends on how he’s developed

No disrespect to you breh, so don't take this personal but...

...please, no one pay attention to this scourting report. It's all kinds of wrong!

In what way? I’ve been watching both since they were in the 8th grade…

I see your stuck on this athleticism thing with Jahlil but there’s a difference between Good and great… He’s a fine athlete according to NBA standards, not going to wow you but he’ll be fine in that area…

[yaboynyp]

No disrespect to you breh, so don't take this personal but...

...please, no one pay attention to this scourting report. It's all kinds of wrong!

In what way? I’ve been watching both since they were in the 8th grade…

I see your stuck on this athleticism thing with Jahlil but there’s a difference between Good and great… He’s a fine athlete according to NBA standards, not going to wow you but he’ll be fine in that area…

LOL… nah it’s not that serious. At least for me

[N8isScofield]

In what way? I’ve been watching both since they were in the 8th grade…

I see your stuck on this athleticism thing with Jahlil but there’s a difference between Good and great… He’s a fine athlete according to NBA standards, not going to wow you but he’ll be fine in that area…

LOL… nah it’s not that serious. At least for me

Haha I know just messing with you man.

[vallen]

For all the talk about Mudiay Towns and Okafor the best HS player in the nation last year was Stanley Johnson and it wasn’t really close.. He even matched up against Okafor last year in a game he dominated. He controlled the game from start to finish, ran the point on offense, and guarded Okafor on D largely keeping him in check. He’s been the best producer in his class the last couple years for sure and his college numbers on a loaded AZ team are impressive

Think he’s already leading AZ in scoring this year for whatever reason he constantly gets overlooked but he has all the tools and is a for sure 2 way guy

Def somebody to consider if we end up in that 4-8 range..

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yk3uPL4s-U[/youtube]

maybe, but sf is about the only position we have covered. im all for BPA but im not sure any of these guys are head and shoulders above each other. we need to fill a hole with this pick...

[yaboynyp]

For all the talk about Mudiay Towns and Okafor the best HS player in the nation last year was Stanley Johnson and it wasn’t really close.. He even matched up against Okafor last year in a game he dominated. He controlled the game from start to finish, ran the point on offense, and guarded Okafor on D largely keeping him in check. He’s been the best producer in his class the last couple years for sure and his college numbers on a loaded AZ team are impressive

Think he’s already leading AZ in scoring this year for whatever reason he constantly gets overlooked but he has all the tools and is a for sure 2 way guy

Def somebody to consider if we end up in that 4-8 range..

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yk3uPL4s-U[/youtube]

maybe, but sf is about the only position we have covered. im all for BPA but im not sure any of these guys are head and shoulders above each other. we need to fill a hole with this pick...

Probably right but have to see how he develops and who he could guard. He ran a lot of PG last year for his HS team and has played a lot of 2 for Az this season with Hollis Jefferson at the 3. Lots of versatility to his game.

Just pointing out the fact that right now, he’s produced more than other guys mentioned and he will be one of the few picks that probably will put up tangeable numbers in his rookie year

[vallen]

His footwork and ability to use fakes and control his body allows him to overcome his lack of athleticism and be an offensive nightmare for opponents. But his lack of verticality will begin to cause him problems as he continues to play more advanced and experienced players - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/draft_2015.htm#sth ... c9yJT.dpuf

pump fakes will only bail you out sparingly at this level.

: Not a great athlete, rebounder, or shot blocker ... Lack of athleticism and ability to be a game changer on the defensive end limits his upside ... Has trouble moving his feet in pick and roll situations ... Not a great shooter and doesn't offer much in terms of pick and pop situations .

Okafor is the wrong direction for this team. but the fact that hes projected #1 on every site is a poor indication of the talent level in this draft. id still go Towns/Mudiay/Turner before Okafor. and maybe even seldon/cauly-stein..

[blueNorange]

Okafor will be a bust, he looks like one and has a bust name

[blueNorange]

Its between towns and turner

[JBreezeNY]

His footwork and ability to use fakes and control his body allows him to overcome his lack of athleticism and be an offensive nightmare for opponents. But his lack of verticality will begin to cause him problems as he continues to play more advanced and experienced players - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/draft_2015.htm#sth ... c9yJT.dpuf

pump fakes will only bail you out sparingly at this level.

: Not a great athlete, rebounder, or shot blocker ... Lack of athleticism and ability to be a game changer on the defensive end limits his upside ... Has trouble moving his feet in pick and roll situations ... Not a great shooter and doesn't offer much in terms of pick and pop situations .

Okafor is the wrong direction for this team. but the fact that hes projected #1 on every site is a poor indication of the talent level in this draft. id still go Towns/Mudiay/Turner before Okafor. and maybe even seldon/cauly-stein..

You know what I'm not even mad anymore, I understand it.

When you have a kid with post moves like Jahlil, a lot of eyes will pop. He's NBA ready because of that but truth is he is a project whether people want to admit or not. Hell every player in this draft looks like a project, the only person who might be an exception is Mudiay seeing as his only real weakness is his jumpshot.

I've criticized Okafor a lot but I would still take him. Number 1? Nah but he's a good player with great potential.

[vallen]

His footwork and ability to use fakes and control his body allows him to overcome his lack of athleticism and be an offensive nightmare for opponents. But his lack of verticality will begin to cause him problems as he continues to play more advanced and experienced players - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/draft_2015.htm#sth ... c9yJT.dpuf

pump fakes will only bail you out sparingly at this level.

: Not a great athlete, rebounder, or shot blocker ... Lack of athleticism and ability to be a game changer on the defensive end limits his upside ... Has trouble moving his feet in pick and roll situations ... Not a great shooter and doesn't offer much in terms of pick and pop situations .

Okafor is the wrong direction for this team. but the fact that hes projected #1 on every site is a poor indication of the talent level in this draft. id still go Towns/Mudiay/Turner before Okafor. and maybe even seldon/cauly-stein..

You know what I'm not even mad anymore, I understand it.

When you have a kid with post moves like Jahlil, a lot of eyes will pop. He's NBA ready because of that but truth is he is a project whether people want to admit or not. Hell every player in this draft looks like a project, the only person who might be an exception is Mudiay seeing as his only real weakness is his jumpshot.

I've criticized Okafor a lot but I would still take him. Number 1? Nah but he's a good player with great potential.

why were you mad ? draft right now is anybodys guess. im sure we'll all be better scouting these guys as the season progresses.

hell even the scout ian powers on nbadraft has him as a solid rebounder in his strengths category, but lists him as "not a great rebounder" as his weakness.

but anyway i think hes a one way player, and the last thing we need is another Amare with no athleticism. we dont need a scorer, we need a guy whos capable of playing both sides of the ball. at least thats my opinion..

[JBreezeNY]

pump fakes will only bail you out sparingly at this level.



Okafor is the wrong direction for this team. but the fact that hes projected #1 on every site is a poor indication of the talent level in this draft. id still go Towns/Mudiay/Turner before Okafor. and maybe even seldon/cauly-stein..

You know what I'm not even mad anymore, I understand it.

When you have a kid with post moves like Jahlil, a lot of eyes will pop. He's NBA ready because of that but truth is he is a project whether people want to admit or not. Hell every player in this draft looks like a project, the only person who might be an exception is Mudiay seeing as his only real weakness is his jumpshot.

I've criticized Okafor a lot but I would still take him. Number 1? Nah but he's a good player with great potential.

why were you mad ? draft right now is anybodys guess. im sure we'll all be better scouting these guys as the season progresses.

hell even the scout ian powers on nbadraft has him as a solid rebounder in his strengths category, but lists him as "not a great rebounder" as his weakness.

but anyway i think hes a one way player, and the last thing we need is another Amare with no athleticism. we dont need a scorer, we need a guy whos capable of playing both sides of the ball. at least thats my opinion..

I was mad because I selfishly think Towns should be getting more love & hype but then again if scouts have low expectations of Towns we have a better chance at getting him

You're definitely right in the second half of your post though.

[Fat]

lots of good debates between team okafor and team towns.

keep in mind athleticism isnt everything and centers with jahlils skillset at such a young age is rare.

i still cant say who i'd pick because i like the little ive seen from both towns and Jahlil. i currently give the edge to okafor based on what ive seen. its rare you see a center of his age with that kind of body control, footwork, and comfort with his back to the basket.

[blueNorange]

the way pau was used is the way towns can be used

[malik959]

I just don't get it! Everything this board complains about with this team is exactly what you get with OKafor. Not defending the pick and roll, rebounds, shot blocking, and lack of ability to be a game changer on the defensive. We don't need another offensive player, we need a defensive Cen/PF who can defend the pick and roll.

This is why I'm not excited about this draft because it doesn't really bring guys that we truly need. Towns is actually the closes, but he will take at-lease three years. Now don't get me wrong I do feel that Okafor will be a nice player Sheldon Williams or Sean May.