Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 1)

Rip2137 · Post #1481 » by **Rip2137** » Thu May 28, 2015 1:22 am

I keep asking you and I will ask again...who are you trading him for? This isn't me saying Teague is untradeable, this is me saying "Trade him for a upgrade at the wing" is some random nebulous statement that you keep making. Who can we trade Teague for that will not only upgrade the wing but offset his loss.

You keep saying he is "good" but if Sennis had dropped 28 in game one and 30 in game three and played like Teague did last night, you would be tripping over yourself to call the guy special and quoting me from when I said I don't see it.

I am just saying I don't think this player you want exist. If I am wrong, drop a name.

But I gotta tell ya man...it really does seem like you are upset we had the best year in franchise history and went further than last year because you are so gung ho on tearing it down and starting over.

Post #1482 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu May 28, 2015 1:50 am

Rip2137 wrote:I keep asking you and I will ask again...who are you trading him for? This isn't me saying Teague is untradeable, this is me saying "Trade him for a upgrade at the wing" is some random nebulous statement that you keep making. Who can we trade Teague for that will not only upgrade the wing but offset his loss.

You keep saying he is "good" but if Sennis had dropped 28 in game one and 30 in game three and played like Teague did last night, you would be tripping over yourself to call the guy special and quoting me from when I said I don't see it.

I am just saying I don't think this player you want exist. If I am wrong, drop a name.

But I gotta tell ya man...it really does seem like you are upset we had the best year in franchise history and went further than last year because you are so gung ho on tearing it down and starting over.

Ironically, I'm not in favor tearing it all down. But with Teague's age and contract, if we are ever gonna trade him, this is the time.

I'd love to keep Demarre, but agree with you he'll cost too much.

I've come around on Millsap, but again, drastic pay raises for guys who will slowly decrease in production seems like a bad idea. (Paying Millsap $9 million for his production this year...he was underpaid. But paying him $15 million next year for the same production makes no sense.)Also...we really need a big man capable of rebounding, banging, blocking shots. I've begged for years...to no avail.

Basically, this is the last time we'll have lots of cap space, roster spots and a fairly high pick for a while. I want to maximize the value of it all. Ferry kept the team financially flexible for the sole purpose of being able to upgrade the roster when the time came. Going out of the way to commit to a group clearly inferior to the LeBrons is foolish. We'd basically just embrace being 1990s Knicks. The 2012 Bulls. Last year's Pacers. Good enough in the regular season. But will always lose to the more talented superstar.

I've watched Teague for five (6?) years. I believe this is the best he'll ever be. I think he's not much better than Ty Lawson.

Hawks champs · Post #1483 » by **Hawks champs** » Thu May 28, 2015 4:15 am

Jamaaliver wrote:
Rip2137 wrote:I keep asking you and I will ask again...who are you trading him for? This isn't me saying Teague is untradeable, this is me saying "Trade him for a upgrade at the wing" is some random nebulous statement that you keep making. Who can we trade Teague for that will not only upgrade the wing but offset his loss.

You keep saying he is "good" but if Sennis had dropped 28 in game one and 30 in game three and played like Teague did last night, you would be tripping over yourself to call the guy special and quoting me from when I said I don't see it.

I am just saying I don't think this player you want exist. If I am wrong, drop a name.

But I gotta tell ya man...it really does seem like you are upset we had the best year in franchise history and went further than last year because you are so gung ho on tearing it down and starting over.

Ironically, I'm not in favor tearing it all down. But with Teague's age and contract, if we are ever gonna trade him, this is the time.

I'd love to keep Demarre, but agree with you he'll cost too much.

I've come around on Millsap, but again, drastic pay raises for guys who will slowly decrease in production seems like a bad idea. (Paying Millsap $9 million for his production this year...he was underpaid. But paying him $15 million next year for the same production makes no sense.)Also...we really need a big man capable of rebounding, banging, blocking shots. I've begged for years...to no avail.

Basically, this is the last time we'll have lots of cap space, roster spots and a fairly high pick for a while. I want to maximize the value of it all. Ferry kept the team financially flexible for the sole purpose of being able to upgrade the roster when the time came. Going out of the way to commit to a group clearly inferior to the LeBrons is foolish. We'd basically just embrace being 1990s Knicks. The 2012 Bulls. Last year's Pacers. Good enough in the regular season. But will always lose to the more talented superstar.

I've watched Teague for five (6?) years. I believe this is the best he'll ever be. I think he's not much better than Ty Lawson.

I'm just curious, why is Teague a must trade player? Why does his level of play dictate where we are no matter what? Why can't we upgrade using other players/picks and keep him as th point guard of our team?

Post #1484 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu May 28, 2015 9:11 am

Hawks champs wrote:Why can't we upgrade using other players/picks and keep him as th point guard of our team?

Ummm...

There is no reason we can't. But who else do we have worth anything substantial? Horford? Korver?

I think Teague is more easily replaceable than either f those guys.

MaceCase · Post #1485 » by **MaceCase** » Thu May 28, 2015 9:30 am

If the entirety of your argument is that the Hawks couldn't beat the best player in the universe then I hate to break it to you but Jeff Teague is not going to net you a Lebron James. I rather stay the course with a few tweaks and be in the discussion for the ECF over the next 2-3 years and only a Lebron sprained ankle or PED suspension away from a Finals appearance than play the "what if" game and maybe get back to this same position in another 50 years or so. You can't just ignore success because it didn't happen your way, If so, then at least come up with a viable plan that has words beyond just saying "upgrade talent".

Around 9 PGs were moved at the last deadline and only one returned the trading team the potential of getting an upgrade. ICYMI, Philly isn't getting the Lakers pick this year and no Brandon Knight and three protected firsts are not greater than Isaiah Thomas, Goran Dragic and Tyler Ennis especially given that the Suns were the ones that also gave up said Lakers pick just to get that deal done. What this spells out is that there isn't great market value for PGs so perhaps you should be satisfied keeping the All Star PG that you have making below market money and all the team success that comes along with him than continuing to envision fantasy scenarios that simply do not exist in the current NBA climate.

Post #1486 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu May 28, 2015 9:47 am

It will be really interesting to see what the East looks like next season.

My fear is that if we stand pat while the entire Eastern Conference reloads, we get bypassed by MIA, Indy.

CLE had the benefit of being so flawed early, they were forced to reassess mid season. We were so good in January, we reasonably had to keep the core together. But our weaknesses (inside depth, lack of perimeter scoring) were on display.

And while CLE sought dramatic improvement mid season, we stood pat. By the time May rolled around, CLE was clearly the better team. Even with major injuries, they went 12-2 in the playoffs.

So while other teams seek dramatic improvement this offseason, standing pat yet again definitely has it's risks. Bringing back an older Thabo, an older Korver to this same core...doesn't get us closer to a title.

MaceCase · Post #1487 » by **MaceCase** » Thu May 28, 2015 10:04 am

Every year people (okay, certain people) scream bloody murder that every team is going to get better and every move they make are championship level moves while anything the Hawks do is dismissed. Dwyane Wade isn't going to get healthy, ever, and he still remains the Heat's best player. The Pacers at their peak weren't a 60 win team to begin with so how they reach that level with the dynamic with Lance being gone, Hibbert's psyche being further damaged by being publicly shamed by Bird and, oh yes, West being older than anyone in the Hawks core, I do not know. Age is not an affliction that only occurs to the Hawks, if age is such a big factor then the Bucks, Celtics and Raptors will be 1-2-3 in the East standings next year.

Post #1488 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu May 28, 2015 10:07 am

Ummmm

Whoo Sahhhh?

Post #1489 » by **Goudelock** » Fri May 29, 2015 8:00 pm

Could the Hawks acquire Festus Ezeli? He would fill a big need (pun intended).

raferfenix · Post #1490 » by **raferfenix** » Mon Jun 1, 2015 5:09 am

Hey Hawks fans, what do you think about something geared around the 15 pick for John Henson?

I think he'd do well next to Horford.

On our end I'm concerned a front court of Giannis / Parker / Henson is just too frail.

MaceCase · Post #1491 » by **MaceCase** » Mon Jun 1, 2015 6:22 am

raferfenix wrote:Hey Hawks fans, what do you think about something geared around the 15 pick for John Henson?

I think he'd do well next to Horford.

On our end I'm concerned a front court of Giannis / Parker / Henson is just too frail.

Well your concern would be a similar concern that the Hawks would have. He doesn't provide greater girth in the frontcourt nor is he particularly skilled enough to offset it. The Hawks already have a similar prospect in that same vein in Mike Muscala who does many good things on the court yet just gets rag dolled at times.

raferfenix · Post #1492 » by **raferfenix** » Mon Jun 1, 2015 7:52 pm

MaceCase wrote:
raferfenix wrote:Hey Hawks fans, what do you think about something geared around the 15 pick for John Henson?

I think he'd do well next to Horford.

On our end I'm concerned a front court of Giannis / Parker / Henson is just too frail.

Well your concern would be a similar concern that the Hawks would have. He doesn't provide greater girth in the frontcourt nor is he particularly skilled enough to offset it. The Hawks already have a similar prospect in that same vein in Mike Muscala who does many good things on the court yet just gets rag dolled at times.

I don't know, having Horford flanking Henson would seem to decrease the need to have Henson be able to bang down low.

It'd probably come down to whether or how much you want the length / athleticism / shotblocking Henson could provide.

From afar it seemed to me like the Hawks could use more of that (even if the 15 pick is too rich for it). Don't know much about Muscala though if he is a similar prospect.

MaceCase · Post #1493 » by **MaceCase** » Tue Jun 2, 2015 12:02 am

raferfenix wrote:
MaceCase wrote:
raferfenix wrote:Hey Hawks fans, what do you think about something geared around the 15 pick for John Henson?

I think he'd do well next to Horford.

On our end I'm concerned a front court of Giannis / Parker / Henson is just too frail.

Well your concern would be a similar concern that the Hawks would have. He doesn't provide greater girth in the frontcourt nor is he particularly skilled enough to offset it. The Hawks already have a similar prospect in that same vein in Mike Muscala who does many good things on the court yet just gets rag dolled at times.

I don't know, having Horford flanking Henson would seem to decrease the need to have Henson be able to bang down low.

It'd probably come down to whether or how much you want the length / athleticism / shotblocking Henson could provide.

From afar it seemed to me like the Hawks could use more of that (even if the 15 pick is too rich for it). Don't know much about Muscala though if he is a similar prospect.

Well the issue that many have is that they want to decrease Horford's need to bang down low. Henson doesn't make the frontcourt physically bigger where Horford isn't still checking the bigger player on defense and doesn't posses the offensive skill to accentuate Horford. To be frank, Henson would likely be just a bench rotation player on this team which isn't bad value at all for the 15th pick but the Hawks already have similar prospects in frame (Muscala) and skill (Taveras) that I think they'd prefer to pursue another position of need on the wing with the #15.

Sure, maybe if both teams agree to come back later to discuss a deal for Middleton where you won't match.

tbhawksfan1 · Post #1494 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Wed Jun 3, 2015 10:41 am

There is one signed Hawk that has very high trade value and should be moved despite popular emotions; Korver. Could get all the way up to a #10 from MIA, certainly #14, Lamb.

Korver was absolutely shut down in the playoffs. One of our key offensive players totally shot down. I take the high trade value and reshape with more youth, athleticism without negecting shooting.

tbhawksfan1 · Post #1495 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Wed Jun 3, 2015 10:44 am

Hensen isn't what we need. Horf is better at C. We need a C to move Horf to PF and get bigger and stronger. A post presence and bigger on D

atlantabbq99 · Post #1496 » by **atlantabbq99** » Wed Jun 3, 2015 11:29 am

tbhawksfan1 wrote:There is one signed Hawk that has very high trade value and should be moved despite popular emotions; Korver. Could get all the way up to a #10 from MIA, certainly #14, Lamb.

Korver was absolutely shut down in the playoffs. One of our key offensive players totally shot down. I take the high trade value and reshape with more youth, athleticism without negecting shooting.

Korver did his job in the playoffs if you watch the film. he was taking away double teams from Teague and Millsap. Even though Korver was missing, the other team was respecting the hell out of him and chasing him every where. it was Teague and Millsap who failed the Hawks in these playoffs. Remember how dominate Teague was last year against the Pacers, he just wasn't doing that in single coverage against the Nets, Wizards, or Cavs.

atlantabbq99 · Post #1497 » by **atlantabbq99** » Thu Jun 4, 2015 1:47 am

Im open to criticism on this one, so......

Teague to the Kings for #6

then

#6 and #15 to the Knicks for #4

At #4, the Hawks draft Mudiay (or Russell)

Knicks trade down and take Lyles and get an extra pick.

Kings get a PG to bring together Cousins, Gay, and Ben.

Atlanta then has a future backcourt of Mudiay and Schroder

Post #1498 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu Jun 4, 2015 12:43 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:Im open to criticism on this one, so......

Teague to the Kings for #6

then

#6 and #15 to the Knicks for #4

At #4, the Hawks draft Mudiay (or Russell)

Knicks trade down and take Lyles and get an extra pick.

Kings get a PG to bring together Cousins, Gay, and Ben.

Atlanta then has a future backcourt of Mudiay and Schroder

I've actually considered this trade myself for a while. I like it. Though I am not sold on Mudiay, I do think we can get a star @ #4 and get a cheap vet replacement for Teague pretty easily.

I am very much in favor of doing this trade, though I would take Porzingis or Justise ahead of Mudiay. (Mudiay is super raw and years away from contributing.)

But in truth, we could get on of those guys at six and keep the 15th pick also. But trading Teague to SAC makes too much sense at this point. We get cap space and a highly rated prospect. SAC gets an experienced, All-Star PG in his prime to lead their turn around.

Good trade.

atlantabbq99 · Post #1499 » by **atlantabbq99** » Thu Jun 4, 2015 1:23 pm

Their is a rumor that Porzingis or Russell could sneak into the top 2 if they have spectacular workouts and Okafor could fall to #4.

But anyway, Mudiay at #4 could be good, or even Kristaps at #6 and still keep #15 could also be good to great.

Post #1500 » by **dms269** » Thu Jun 4, 2015 1:44 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:Im open to criticism on this one, so......

Teague to the Kings for #6

then

#6 and #15 to the Knicks for #4

At #4, the Hawks draft Mudiay (or Russell)

Knicks trade down and take Lyles and get an extra pick.

Kings get a PG to bring together Cousins, Gay, and Ben.

Atlanta then has a future backcourt of Mudiay and Schroder

I don't see how we can get the 6 for Teague unless we are taking on Landry or Thompson's salary.