All-Season Player of the Year Discussion thread

[bondom34]

Also, just the reasoning I went off the rails, it was essentially b/c overnight we went from "Green had a great DPOY level season" to "well Green had a top 5 season" because of a single number. And for a thought experiment (no answer required, and using OKC examples b/c I'm familiar with them):
Trade Ibaka for Green.
Trade Westbrook for Mike Conley.

Ibaka and Conley's PI RAPM were 0.1 off I believe.

How much different do the teams fare this season? Pretty differently for the second, not so much for the first as far as I'd guess. That's what I mean when I explain my voting thought process. Again sorry to get off the rails but I thought I probably sounded confused earlier when that's my feeling on the matter.

[spearsy23]

This Green talk is interesting. One thing I take issue with is this idea that he was Golden State's secondary playmaker. Sorry, but I'm just not buying that. If we simply look at raw assist totals maybe, but when you look closer he's not more of a playmaker than Livingston or Iggy or even Bogut really. He moves the ball okay for a PF but people are over-reacting to his playoff assist numbers more than anything here. He still turns the ball over a lot.

The reason his FGA attempts and assist numbers are up in the playoffs is much more a reflection of how teams defended GSW and Curry in the playoffs. He found himself with the ball a lot more and not by Kerr's design, but by the design of the opposing coaches. And the reason for that is he's just not that great an offensive player.


Now defensively I agree he is among the handful of guys able to impact the game defensively the most. His strength, mobility, and defensive intelligence allow him to do so many things defensively. But in our rush to love the guy and explain why his RAPM numbers are off the chart, let's not make him into something he's not.

I missed this in all the conversation as well, yea I'm not buying it either. He's maybe a third/fourth playmaker, I'd put Klay ahead of him as well as Curry/Livingston/Iggy at the least, likely even Barnes.

I really wonder what it is people are seeing here.

Klay and Barnes each make about half the total passes Green does in addition to getting less assists. It's not normal for a power forward to be so heavily involved. What exactly would you call what Green is doing if not playmaking?

Passing. It's the young Rondo style of 'playmaking', where you stand with the ball and wait for a great shooter to create space. playmaker seems to imply that a guy is 'making plays' but is that what Green is actually doing? Is he hitting cutters off double teams and drawing defenders and kicking, or Is he simply holding the ball while guys come off of screens? I don't know the answer to that explicitly, but it would seem he probably is being credited somewhat for the teammates he plays with. He's playing with the greatest shooter ever and another top tier shooter, so it's fair to ask if his assists are inflated.

[colts18]

RPM (which uses box score) has Green and Kawhi in its predicted top 5 for next season. I think next year will test if those two are flukes or not.

15 hours ago

Predictive RPM for next season: #1 LeBron (9.74), #2 Curry (+8.50), #3 Paul (7.83), #4 Kawhi (7.37), #5 Draymond (6.83). h/t @JerryEngelmann

[Texas Chuck]

"He's not really the 2nd best playmaker on the Warriors, he's simply the guy whose combination of attributes make him the guy that they choose to put the ball in his hands to make a ton of passes.'

Correct?

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yeah pretty much. And make no mistake its to Green's credit that he is competent in doing so. Part of this is the conversation we had earlier in the year about the offensive advantages of playing him at the 4. It also gets Barnes and/or Iggy in the game which just creates much better spacing and better offense.

But his assist numbers remind me so much of Jason Terry's. Jason Terry was the primary guy for years running the PNR with Dirk. So he was the guy in position to do damage in the 4 v 3 scenarios we saw over and over with GSW this year. And because JET was even more of a threat offensively teams rotated hard to him and he made the extra pass and ended up collecting the assist from the shot that Dirk really created. Curry is the guy distorting the defense and Green is benefiting statistically. And even more than JET ever did because Dallas preached the extra pass so often the ball got 2 or 3 or 4 passes removed from Dirk before the shot got up. GSW tends to take the first available good shot rather than looking for a slightly better one which leads to Green having high assist numbers.


Again he is a really really good player. And his ability to do so many different things at both ends is to be commended. But he's not really a playmaker. You can't really run the offense through him. You could with Livingston. You could with Iggy. Wouldn't be nearly the same as with Curry, but you could still run a good offense through those guys. Nothing I have seen in the 30-35 Warriors games I watched this year suggest Green is actually the 2nd best playmaker or is someone worth running an offense through.

It's much more about him being the natural guy to run PNR with Curry and him being reasonably competent at hitting his jumper(playoffs notwithstanding) or hitting the open man.

[Doctor MJ]

I missed this in all the conversation as well, yea I'm not buying it either. He's maybe a third/fourth playmaker, I'd put Klay ahead of him as well as Curry/Livingston/Iggy at the least, likely even Barnes.

I really wonder what it is people are seeing here.

Klay and Barnes each make about half the total passes Green does in addition to getting less assists. It's not normal for a power forward to be so heavily involved. What exactly would you call what Green is doing if not playmaking?

Passing. It's the young Rondo style of 'playmaking', where you stand with the ball and wait for a great shooter to create space. playmaker seems to imply that a guy is 'making plays' but is that what Green is actually doing? Is he hitting cutters off double teams and drawing defenders and kicking, or Is he simply holding the ball while guys come off of screens? I don't know the answer to that explicitly, but it would seem he probably is being credited somewhat for the teammates he plays with. He's playing with the greatest shooter ever and another top tier shooter, so it's fair to ask if his assists are inflated.

But we're not talking about this like Green is a world class playmaker, it's just he's in a starting lineup with 3 guys who pass less and produce less assist points than Green. To me that warrants some kind of recognition given that he's playing the 4 and most teams rely on the 2 and the 3 for such things.

Let's also note that it's not like this is something created ex nihilo by the Warriors. Green had a more heavy assisting role in college than Thompson or Barnes did too, and people recognized this. Here's what Givony at Draft Express said about Green all the way back in 2010 almost 2 full years before he got drafted:

A player with one of the most unique skill-sets in the NCAA, Michigan State's Draymond Green is a collegiate center with the height of a small forward, the passing skills of a point guard, the rebounding tenacity of a power forward and the scoring repertoire of an old school pivot.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3duYhzdeV
http://www.draftexpress.com

Go look up profiles of Thompson and Barnes, you won't see their passing talked about the same way.

[bondom34]

I really wonder what it is people are seeing here.

Klay and Barnes each make about half the total passes Green does in addition to getting less assists. It's not normal for a power forward to be so heavily involved. What exactly would you call what Green is doing if not playmaking?

Passing. It's the young Rondo style of 'playmaking', where you stand with the ball and wait for a great shooter to create space. playmaker seems to imply that a guy is 'making plays' but is that what Green is actually doing? Is he hitting cutters off double teams and drawing defenders and kicking, or Is he simply holding the ball while guys come off of screens? I don't know the answer to that explicitly, but it would seem he probably is being credited somewhat for the teammates he plays with. He's playing with the greatest shooter ever and another top tier shooter, so it's fair to ask if his assists are inflated.

But we're not talking about this like Green is a world class playmaker, it's just he's in a starting lineup with 3 guys who pass less and produce less assist points than Green. To me that warrants some kind of recognition given that he's playing the 4 and most teams rely on the 2 and the 3 for such things.

Let's also note that it's not like this is something created ex nihilo by the Warriors. Green had a more heavy assisting role in college than Thompson or Barnes did too, and people recognized this. Here's what Givony at Draft Express said about Green all the way back in 2010 almost 2 full years before he got drafted:

A player with one of the most unique skill-sets in the NCAA, Michigan State's Draymond Green is a collegiate center with the height of a small forward, the passing skills of a point guard, the rebounding tenacity of a power forward and the scoring repertoire of an old school pivot.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3duYhzdeV
http://www.draftexpress.com

Go look up profiles of Thompson and Barnes, you won't see their passing talked about the same way.

To be fair, the DX profiles can be seen to be off on a ton of guys as well, I wouldn't use them as a good reference of ability.

[Doctor MJ]

"He's not really the 2nd best playmaker on the Warriors, he's simply the guy whose combination of attributes make him the guy that they choose to put the ball in his hands to make a ton of passes.'

Correct?

.

yeah pretty much. And make no mistake its to Green's credit that he is competent in doing so. Part of this is the conversation we had earlier in the year about the offensive advantages of playing him at the 4. It also gets Barnes and/or Iggy in the game which just creates much better spacing and better offense.

But his assist numbers remind me so much of Jason Terry's. Jason Terry was the primary guy for years running the PNR with Dirk. So he was the guy in position to do damage in the 4 v 3 scenarios we saw over and over with GSW this year. And because JET was even more of a threat offensively teams rotated hard to him and he made the extra pass and ended up collecting the assist from the shot that Dirk really created. Curry is the guy distorting the defense and Green is benefiting statistically. And even more than JET ever did because Dallas preached the extra pass so often the ball got 2 or 3 or 4 passes removed from Dirk before the shot got up. GSW tends to take the first available good shot rather than looking for a slightly better one which leads to Green having high assist numbers.


Again he is a really really good player. And his ability to do so many different things at both ends is to be commended. But he's not really a playmaker. You can't really run the offense through him. You could with Livingston. You could with Iggy. Wouldn't be nearly the same as with Curry, but you could still run a good offense through those guys. Nothing I have seen in the 30-35 Warriors games I watched this year suggest Green is actually the 2nd best playmaker or is someone worth running an offense through.

It's much more about him being the natural guy to run PNR with Curry and him being reasonably competent at hitting his jumper(playoffs notwithstanding) or hitting the open man.

But think about it from the perspective of the GS coaches. They can only play this way if the guy in Green's position can do smart things once he has the ball. That's a hell of a lot more trust to put in the hands of your typical power forward. The Warriors can do this because Green allows them to do this.

If you want to say that that doesn't mean Green is literally a better playmaker than other guys, he's simply particularly good relative to his size, I get that, but you might as well say "Dirk's not that great of a shooter compared to some guards, he's just more effective at it because he's tall and can't be blocked easily." or "Livingston would be even more effective as the 4 in a 1-4 pick & roll...if only he could play the 4". It's true, but who cares? What does it actually matter?

[Doctor MJ]

Passing. It's the young Rondo style of 'playmaking', where you stand with the ball and wait for a great shooter to create space. playmaker seems to imply that a guy is 'making plays' but is that what Green is actually doing? Is he hitting cutters off double teams and drawing defenders and kicking, or Is he simply holding the ball while guys come off of screens? I don't know the answer to that explicitly, but it would seem he probably is being credited somewhat for the teammates he plays with. He's playing with the greatest shooter ever and another top tier shooter, so it's fair to ask if his assists are inflated.

But we're not talking about this like Green is a world class playmaker, it's just he's in a starting lineup with 3 guys who pass less and produce less assist points than Green. To me that warrants some kind of recognition given that he's playing the 4 and most teams rely on the 2 and the 3 for such things.

Let's also note that it's not like this is something created ex nihilo by the Warriors. Green had a more heavy assisting role in college than Thompson or Barnes did too, and people recognized this. Here's what Givony at Draft Express said about Green all the way back in 2010 almost 2 full years before he got drafted:

A player with one of the most unique skill-sets in the NCAA, Michigan State's Draymond Green is a collegiate center with the height of a small forward, the passing skills of a point guard, the rebounding tenacity of a power forward and the scoring repertoire of an old school pivot.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3duYhzdeV
http://www.draftexpress.com

Go look up profiles of Thompson and Barnes, you won't see their passing talked about the same way.

To be fair, the DX profiles can be seen to be off on a ton of guys as well, I wouldn't use them as a good reference of ability.

And you thought it a better use of our time to simply cast doubt on the source I use than to actually look up other sources and notice that they all talked about Green's passing as a key strength?

[ceiling raiser]

Not sure if you guys saw the other thread, but J.E. posted a multi-year set:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17dNdxpgNHvOnMwnTmw65x5exfmQaA0C6T1w7KTmCiC0/htmlview?pli=1

I'm not sure if it's the same multi-year vanilla he shared around ASB and I believe last year, or standard PI RAPM (EDIT: SSB asked which it was on the board, so hopefully J.E. clarifies).

[Doctor MJ]

Not sure if you guys saw the other thread, but J.E. posted a multi-year set:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17dNdxpgNHvOnMwnTmw65x5exfmQaA0C6T1w7KTmCiC0/htmlview?pli=1

I'm not sure if it's the same multi-year vanilla he shared around ASB and I believe last year, or standard PI RAPM.

Thanks fpliii. Always interesting to see.

[bondom34]

But we're not talking about this like Green is a world class playmaker, it's just he's in a starting lineup with 3 guys who pass less and produce less assist points than Green. To me that warrants some kind of recognition given that he's playing the 4 and most teams rely on the 2 and the 3 for such things.

Let's also note that it's not like this is something created ex nihilo by the Warriors. Green had a more heavy assisting role in college than Thompson or Barnes did too, and people recognized this. Here's what Givony at Draft Express said about Green all the way back in 2010 almost 2 full years before he got drafted:



Go look up profiles of Thompson and Barnes, you won't see their passing talked about the same way.

To be fair, the DX profiles can be seen to be off on a ton of guys as well, I wouldn't use them as a good reference of ability.

And you thought it a better use of our time to simply cast doubt on the source I use than to actually look up other sources and notice that they all talked about Green's passing as a key strength?

No, and was partially joking as I just find old draft information kind of funny. Its crazy season and I'm reading rumors on draft trades and Demarcus Cousins all day.

[Doctor MJ]

To be fair, the DX profiles can be seen to be off on a ton of guys as well, I wouldn't use them as a good reference of ability.

And you thought it a better use of our time to simply cast doubt on the source I use than to actually look up other sources and notice that they all talked about Green's passing as a key strength?

No, and was partially joking as I just find old draft information kind of funny. Its crazy season and I'm reading rumors on draft trades and Demarcus Cousins all day.

Ah, okay. And apologies for getting testy here. I'm totally with you that draft profiles can be comically wrong, I just started to feel like I've landed on cognitive dissonance island here, ("He's a valuable passer", "Only because of the context", "But he was always known as a good passer", "By people with no credibility". Left me feeling like there was literally nothing I could say that people would respond to with something other than a denial.)

So yeah, not saying Green's a truly top tier passer, just that it's a positive thing he's doing.

Re: Cousins trade. Isn't that amazing? If that happens, I think someone is going to look like a fool, and obviously the guy with the most on the line - other than Cousins - is Karl. If he pushes Cousins out after being gleeful about Melo gone, and Cousins goes on and does huge things, then Karl's legacy may go down as "guy who should have been a college coach because he clearly can't deal with outlier talents".

On the other hand, if the Lakers trade for Cousins and he fizzles, then I'd imagine we do get a regime change for the Lakers. I don't think that's entirely fair - Jerry Buss would have totally make a trade like this too - but a trade for Cousins mortgages the future for a sure thing who isn't actually a sure thing. There will be blame that goes with a failure there, and since Jim has already put his neck out, it will probably then attract an axe.

[bondom34]

And you thought it a better use of our time to simply cast doubt on the source I use than to actually look up other sources and notice that they all talked about Green's passing as a key strength?

No, and was partially joking as I just find old draft information kind of funny. Its crazy season and I'm reading rumors on draft trades and Demarcus Cousins all day.

Ah, okay. And apologies for getting testy here. I'm totally with you that draft profiles can be comically wrong, I just started to feel like I've landed on cognitive dissonance island here, ("He's a valuable passer", "Only because of the context", "But he was always known as a good passer", "By people with no credibility". Left me feeling like there was literally nothing I could say that people would respond to with something other than a denial.)

So yeah, not saying Green's a truly top tier passer, just that it's a positive thing he's doing.

Re: Cousins trade. Isn't that amazing? If that happens, I think someone is going to look like a fool, and obviously the guy with the most on the line - other than Cousins - is Karl. If he pushes Cousins out after being gleeful about Melo gone, and Cousins goes on and does huge things, then Karl's legacy may go down as "guy who should have been a college coach because he clearly can't deal with outlier talents".

On the other hand, if the Lakers trade for Cousins and he fizzles, then I'd imagine we do get a regime change for the Lakers. I don't think that's entirely fair - Jerry Buss would have totally make a trade like this too - but a trade for Cousins mortgages the future for a sure thing who isn't actually a sure thing. There will be blame that goes with a failure there, and since Jim has already put his neck out, it will probably then attract an axe.

No problem, and sorry I came off the same, Chuck and I are on the trade board and its a luny bin right now. I think this whole thing seems like a huge ego trip from Karl, and if I were in charge I'd oust him and don't think he'd get a job again. From what I've read, they want guys capable of winning now, which makes no sense if you're moving Cousins, and also may eliminate the Lakers unless they find a 3rd team as Randle and a draft pick won't fit the bill. Part of me thinks Karl wants his old Denver crew together and wants Lawson/Faried/others, which is befuddling. That said, the whole situation is, and I don't know if he gets moved or not, but people are losing their minds. If you think its strange here sometimes, read a few of today's gems, gotta love NBA silly season!

[Doctor MJ]

Re: Cousins trade. Isn't that amazing? If that happens, I think someone is going to look like a fool, and obviously the guy with the most on the line - other than Cousins - is Karl. If he pushes Cousins out after being gleeful about Melo gone, and Cousins goes on and does huge things, then Karl's legacy may go down as "guy who should have been a college coach because he clearly can't deal with outlier talents".

On the other hand, if the Lakers trade for Cousins and he fizzles, then I'd imagine we do get a regime change for the Lakers. I don't think that's entirely fair - Jerry Buss would have totally make a trade like this too - but a trade for Cousins mortgages the future for a sure thing who isn't actually a sure thing. There will be blame that goes with a failure there, and since Jim has already put his neck out, it will probably then attract an axe.

No problem, and sorry I came off the same, Chuck and I are on the trade board and its a luny bin right now. I think this whole thing seems like a huge ego trip from Karl, and if I were in charge I'd oust him and don't think he'd get a job again. From what I've read, they want guys capable of winning now, which makes no sense if you're moving Cousins, and also may eliminate the Lakers unless they find a 3rd team as Randle and a draft pick won't fit the bill. Part of me thinks Karl wants his old Denver crew together and wants Lawson/Faried/others, which is befuddling. That said, the whole situation is, and I don't know if he gets moved or not, but people are losing their minds. If you think its strange here sometimes, read a few of today's gems, gotta love NBA silly season!

Boy I tell you. The more I see in this situation, and the more I think about it, the more I feel like Karl needs to be fired and never hired again. And I say this as a guy who thought he deserved COY in Denver and that the Nuggets were probably making a mistake in firing him.

He lobbied for the position in Sacramento when he knew the ONLY thing they had going for them was Cousins and he obviously did not say "I want to coach your team, but I'm unsure about Cousins. If you hire me and I say Cousins goes, you have to trust me." So this is a guy who came in with no serious interest in making it work with the guy the Kings planned to build around, and then proceeded to try to twist arms to make it work.

Some have speculated that it's dangerous to let Cousins "win" this battle because of his negative personal attributes, and I don't disagree, but I can't even begin to fathom letting Karl win. He's gone no matter what if I'm in charge. And then I find someone to work with Cousins...

of course as I say this, we're in this boat precisely because ownership HAD someone that worked well with Cousins, and they fired him because they wanted a fast pace. That was incredibly stupid, and it combined with everything else that understandably followed is part of why the King ownership seems possibly the stupidest in a league that includes the Knicks, but jeez, if they really want to play fast, then it seems obvious the thing to do is to trade Cousins. It's just so bizarre trying to get in the minds of these people.

[bondom34]

Re: Cousins trade. Isn't that amazing? If that happens, I think someone is going to look like a fool, and obviously the guy with the most on the line - other than Cousins - is Karl. If he pushes Cousins out after being gleeful about Melo gone, and Cousins goes on and does huge things, then Karl's legacy may go down as "guy who should have been a college coach because he clearly can't deal with outlier talents".

On the other hand, if the Lakers trade for Cousins and he fizzles, then I'd imagine we do get a regime change for the Lakers. I don't think that's entirely fair - Jerry Buss would have totally make a trade like this too - but a trade for Cousins mortgages the future for a sure thing who isn't actually a sure thing. There will be blame that goes with a failure there, and since Jim has already put his neck out, it will probably then attract an axe.

No problem, and sorry I came off the same, Chuck and I are on the trade board and its a luny bin right now. I think this whole thing seems like a huge ego trip from Karl, and if I were in charge I'd oust him and don't think he'd get a job again. From what I've read, they want guys capable of winning now, which makes no sense if you're moving Cousins, and also may eliminate the Lakers unless they find a 3rd team as Randle and a draft pick won't fit the bill. Part of me thinks Karl wants his old Denver crew together and wants Lawson/Faried/others, which is befuddling. That said, the whole situation is, and I don't know if he gets moved or not, but people are losing their minds. If you think its strange here sometimes, read a few of today's gems, gotta love NBA silly season!

Boy I tell you. The more I see in this situation, and the more I think about it, the more I feel like Karl needs to be fired and never hired again. And I say this as a guy who thought he deserved COY in Denver and that the Nuggets were probably making a mistake in firing him.

He lobbied for the position in Sacramento when he knew the ONLY thing they had going for them was Cousins and he obviously did not say "I want to coach your team, but I'm unsure about Cousins. If you hire me and I say Cousins goes, you have to trust me." So this is a guy who came in with no serious interest in making it work with the guy the Kings planned to build around, and then proceeded to try to twist arms to make it work.

Some have speculated that it's dangerous to let Cousins "win" this battle because of his negative personal attributes, and I don't disagree, but I can't even begin to fathom letting Karl win. He's gone no matter what if I'm in charge. And then I find someone to work with Cousins...

of course as I say this, we're in this boat precisely because ownership HAD someone that worked well with Cousins, and they fired him because they wanted a fast pace. That was incredibly stupid, and it combined with everything else that understandably followed is part of why the King ownership seems possibly the stupidest in a league that includes the Knicks, but jeez, if they really want to play fast, then it seems obvious the thing to do is to trade Cousins. It's just so bizarre trying to get in the minds of these people.

Yep, and Paulie made a great post in the Cousins thread on this from HP's twitter:

I don't see anything wrong with jettisoning players that are not fitting into plans for the future. Either get on or get out.....

This is the problem. If you don't like the job, don't take the job. Karl took it, knew he had this roster, then did this. That's on him, and I liked him before this but he looks terrible in this. Its on him, and honestly you can rant about whatever you'd like, but it is.

I used to think Karl was a good coach and he is but this tells me he's overrated. Change your system to fit your players, not the players to fit your system. This is also why I think Pop is the GOAT coach over anybody else:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/613556018656772096[/tweet]

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[tweet]https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/613556332449411072[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/613556452544905217[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/613556562536308736[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/613556946013192192[/tweet]

It amazes me that he not only took this job, but has the gall to go back afterward and want to trade the franchise cornerstone for his old group from Denver. He seems to want to create a new treadmill team in Sacramento for the sake of passing Nellie. I just hope the Kings franchise isn't foolish enough to do it.

[Texas Chuck]

yeah you have to choose Cousins over Karl. No contest.

And Cousins has his personal issues, but let's face it he landed in a very dysfunctional organization and the hope that new ownership would improved things proved comically wrong. I still think its very possible that put into a strong organization with a clear vision and a commitment to building with him as part of the core that Boogie could be a top 5 player in this league for the next 5-8 years. He has outrageous talent.

[MisterHibachi]

^and an incredible contract. He'll be making 16. 7 million in 2018 when the cap is probably gonna be over a 100 million. You could have potentially the best centre in the league AND have 80+ million to fill the rest of the roster. That's incredible.

[SideshowBob]

2015 Cleveland In/Out for RS + PS

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Full Season (102 G)

+5.0 SRS, +6.3 Offense, +0.7 Defense

Spoiler:

111.3 ORTG, 106.5 DRTG, +5.5 Adjusted Net

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Lebron OUT (13 G)

-8.8 SRS, -4.4 Offense, +5.8 Defense

Spoiler:

99.7 ORTG, 111.1 DRTG, -10.2 Adjusted Net

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Lebron IN (89 G)

+7.0 SRS, +7.8 Offense, +0.0 Defense

Spoiler:

113.0 ORTG, 105.9 DRTG, +7.9 Adjusted Net

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Lebron OUT | Irving, Love IN (9 G, 3-6)

-5.1 SRS, -0.7 Offense, +5.8 Defense

Spoiler:

103.6 ORTG, 112.2 DRTG, -6.0 Adjusted Net

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Lebron IN | Irving, Love IN (63 G)

+7.6 SRS, +9.3 Offense, +0.5 Defense

Spoiler:

115.0 ORTG, 105.7 DRTG, +8.8 Adjusted Net

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Lebron OUT | Irving, Love, Mozgov IN (4 G)

-3.9 SRS, +1.9 Offense, +6.4 Defense

Spoiler:

106.2 ORTG, 113.6 DRTG, -4.5 Adjusted Net

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Lebron, Mozgov OUT | Irving, Love IN (5 G)

-6.0 SRS, -2.8 Offense, +4.4 Defense

Spoiler:

101.6 ORTG, 111.1 DRTG, -7.2 Adjusted Net

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Lebron, Mozgov IN | Irving, Love OUT (7 G)

+5.2 SRS, +0.8 Offense, -5.1 Defense

Spoiler:

112.9 ORTG, 106.5 DRTG, +5.9 Adjusted Net

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Lebron, Irving, Mozgov IN | Love OUT (15 G)

+9.0 SRS, +8.3 Offense, +9.1 Defense

Spoiler:

102.7 ORTG, 105.8 DRTG, +12.4 Adjusted Net

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Lebron IN | Irving, Love, Mozgov IN (36 G)

+11.1 SRS, +10.9 Offense, -1.5 Defense

Spoiler:

116.4 ORTG, 103.4 DRTG, +12.4 Adjusted Net

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[SideshowBob]

2015 Golden State Warriors Postseason (21 G)

+11.0 SRS, +5.0 Offense, -6.7 Defense

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2015 Cleveland Cavaliers Postseason (20 G)

+8.6 SRS, +5.5 Offense, -4.1 Defense

[Doctor MJ]

Something I was curious on:

If Houston makes the finals instead of the Warriors, do they win the title?
What about the Clippers?

Assume the Kyrie injury still happens?