Atlanta Hawks 2015 Draft Thread

[Hawk Eye]

I would take Oubre, RHJ, Hunter, and Portis before Hardaway Jr.

[PandaKidd]

To be fair, DMC averaged like 6 pts a game before coming here, THJ should be looked at with some optimism.

However passing on portis and oubre which are possible positions of need is interesting , I think it signals we are keeping both DMC and MILLSAP.

[tonegully757]

this is a great trade....i need to bookmark this thread. THJ gonna have a great year

[atlantabbq99]

this is a great trade....i need to bookmark this thread. THJ gonna have a great year

I wouldn't have made the trade, but if Budz likes it then i like it.

[hawkschop1]

oubre is a douche. hardaway has a great bloodline and actually preformed in college unlike hot shot oubre

[azuresou1]

Hardaway's done nothing since coming into the league except feud with Melo over shots and play nonexistent defense.

That **** "Bud likes it so obviously we're right" argument doesn't mean a thing. Bud also didn't play Muscala over Pero until we were getting blown out by Washington when it was clear to everyone that Moose was better. He's an excellent coach but he is not an infallible judge of talent.

[MaceCase]

I mean this team has taken an alright forward and turned him into a multiple All Star, turned an one dimensional vet into one of the deadliest weapons in the league, took a scrappy hustle guy and turned him into one of the top 3&D players, took another 3&D guy that plenty thought had zero left in the tank and made him a valuable and well missed cog, worked an undrafted nobody thought to be end of the bench fodder into the rotation, found a 30 year old Euro rookie and made him a valuable rotation piece even if fans are baffled by his lack of boxscore production, found another guy out of the Patriot league who we believe to be even more valuable, and the list just goes on.

What I'm trying to say is that basically everyone at some point in time has questioned the value of each and every one of this team's acquisitions on their individual merits yet somehow their abilities have meshed seamlessly into a collectively successful team. I can get questions over asset management in turning the 15th pick into just Hardaway Jr., two 2nds and minuscule cap savings but I can't get outright questioning whether Hardaway Jr.'s talent level has any merit. Just a year ago quite a few lamented that the team had drafted such busts as Dennis and Bebe over him, Plumlee, Wroten, Perry Jones etc. I don't see how in the span of two years opinions have changed to the opposite extreme, the likely proper evaluation lies far to the middle.

[my2bits]

So, the much ballyhooed 15th pick turns out to be Hardaway Jr. That is much, much better than trading for Lamb and Jones. Tim is so much better than both those guys. Don't know why I didn't see the intrinsic benefit of a cerebral move like that. Those 2 future 2nd rounders are gonna set us up for years to come.

[Hawkeyes]

Knicks couldn't get a first rounder for Shumpert and Jr, but got one for Hardaway? I'd love to eat crow, but I really dislike this move and I was a big fan of Burke-Hardaway at Michigan.

[azuresou1]

I mean this team has taken an alright forward and turned him into a multiple All Star, turned an one dimensional vet into one of the deadliest weapons in the league, took a scrappy hustle guy and turned him into one of the top 3&D players, took another 3&D guy that plenty thought had zero left in the tank and made him a valuable and well missed cog, worked an undrafted nobody thought to be end of the bench fodder into the rotation, found a 30 year old Euro rookie and made him a valuable rotation piece even if fans are baffled by his lack of boxscore production, found another guy out of the Patriot league who we believe to be even more valuable, and the list just goes on.

What I'm trying to say is that basically everyone at some point in time has questioned the value of each and every one of this team's acquisitions on their individual merits yet somehow their abilities have meshed seamlessly into a collectively successful team. I can get questions over asset management in turning the 15th pick into just Hardaway Jr., two 2nds and minuscule cap savings but I can't get outright questioning whether Hardaway Jr.'s talent level has any merit. Just a year ago quite a few lamented that the team had drafted such busts as Dennis and Bebe over him, Plumlee, Wroten, Perry Jones etc. I don't see how in the span of two years opinions have changed to the opposite extreme, the likely proper evaluation lies far to the middle.

I hope that you're right, but the difference is that all those other moves were low/no cost. Millsap, DeMarre, Thabo, Pero, and Bazemore were all EXTREMELY cheap FA signings, where we didn't give up any assets.

Would I be okay with signing THJ as a FA? Sure, why not. But trading a salary-controlled mid-round rookie for him seems like a massive overpay.

[PandaKidd]

I mean this team has taken an alright forward and turned him into a multiple All Star, turned an one dimensional vet into one of the deadliest weapons in the league, took a scrappy hustle guy and turned him into one of the top 3&D players, took another 3&D guy that plenty thought had zero left in the tank and made him a valuable and well missed cog, worked an undrafted nobody thought to be end of the bench fodder into the rotation, found a 30 year old Euro rookie and made him a valuable rotation piece even if fans are baffled by his lack of boxscore production, found another guy out of the Patriot league who we believe to be even more valuable, and the list just goes on.

What I'm trying to say is that basically everyone at some point in time has questioned the value of each and every one of this team's acquisitions on their individual merits yet somehow their abilities have meshed seamlessly into a collectively successful team. I can get questions over asset management in turning the 15th pick into just Hardaway Jr., two 2nds and minuscule cap savings but I can't get outright questioning whether Hardaway Jr.'s talent level has any merit. Just a year ago quite a few lamented that the team had drafted such busts as Dennis and Bebe over him, Plumlee, Wroten, Perry Jones etc. I don't see how in the span of two years opinions have changed to the opposite extreme, the likely proper evaluation lies far to the middle.

We agree for two days in a row!

My KNEE jerk reaction was WTF???? We traded a 1st for Tim hardaway Jr when we could have drafted SFs we prob needed? But theres SEVERAL things in play here :

1) Tavares I think is almost guaranteed to be coming over.
2) We need roster spots especially if we make plays in Free Agency
3) Bud DOES NOT value Rookies at all, he would rather have a 2 year player hes seen at the next level than a rookie that has never played NBA ball/system
4) You cant make any accurate assessment on THJ because he played for the blackhole Knicks. Hes not garbage, and hes not an all star. Probably a GOOD athletic rotation player.

So right now under contract:
Teague
Korver
Demarre (UFA)
Millsap (UFA)
Al Horford

Pero (RFA)
Brand (UFA)
Muscala (UC)
Jenkins
Scott (UC)
Mack
Schroeder
Thabo
Bazemore
Daye

that gets us to 15 correct? Now looking to next year

Coming over:
Tavares

you are going to resign your UFA OR replace them. So starting 5 stays starting 5. For arguments sake:
Tavares replaces Brand
Tim Hardaway Jr replaces Jenkins

The only players you have left to let go is Daye and Pero, everyone else is under contract. Dayes contract is not guaranteed. So we dont have a lot of room to add players. Right now if we resign starting 5, we would have to waive Dayes to sign anyone else.

Right? I think you can bring like 20 to training camp but as far as regular season is concerned.......

[Jamaaliver]

Would I be okay with signing THJ as a FA? Sure, why not. But trading a salary-controlled mid-round rookie for him seems like a massive overpay.

Bingo.

Acquiring THJ isn't really a huge issue. I've actually advocvated getting him in a larger trade recently.

But trading him for ONLY the 19th pick seems like a poor use of resources on our part.

Even additional future 2nd rounders from NY could have made it slightly more palatable.

[PandaKidd]

Bud doesnt value rookies at all. If they arent in love with the guy aka DS, then it doesnt matter.

[Jamaaliver]

But my biggest disappointment of the night:

JUSTISE WINSLOW FELL TO 10th. MIA just drafted a star with the 10th pick in the draft.

I'd have loved to see us find a way to trade up for Charlotte's 9th pick to get Justise. I get they already have wings under contract for the Hornets...but they're gonna regret letting a great talent get past them because they short-sightedly drafted for need.

MAN, I wanted that kid as my starting SF for the next 15 years. I'd have given up any and everything (outside of AL) to move up to ninth and take him.

But hey, that's the draft. Apparently, Bud didn't like anyone in this draft to turn into anything special outside the top 5.

[DirtybirdGA]

So much for looking at draft prospects, and then they don't get anyone folks were looking at last few weeks. Without another trade they shouldn't be drafting in that spot for a while, and they give it up.

[Jamaaliver]

So much for looking at draft prospects, and then they don't get anyone folks were looking at last few weeks. Without another trade they shouldn't be drafting in that spot for a while, and they give it up.

Yeppers. Scary thought that we clearly are focused on the interim almost exclusively...and the long-LONG term with foreign 2nd rounders.

At least we have the Minny pick to look forward to...maybe.

[nybluemeadow]

Knicks couldn't get a first rounder for Shumpert and Jr, but got one for Hardaway? I'd love to eat crow, but I really dislike this move and I was a big fan of Burke-Hardaway at Michigan.

That is because of the three, Hardaway has the most value.

JR Smith is 30 years old, and Shump has injury issues.

[td00]

I like what we did last night, unlike what we've done under Ferry overall.

I was afraid when there was talk of us trading out of 15, we were shooting for Kaminsky or Dekker.

There was no one IMO going to help us this upcoming season left after 15. No room for Grant and Anderson would have been my other choice.

I have no issue going against Oubre or Portis or even Winslow.

[Jamaaliver]

I like what we did last night, unlike what we've done under Ferry overall.

There was no one IMO going to help us this upcoming season left after 15...

I agree that no one we could have drafted would have helped us much next year...

but you can't only draft with the very next season in mind. At some point you have to actually acquire talent for future use. Even if (ATLANTA Braves style) we know that talent might simply be moved in the future in trade.

Mack, Korver, Bazemore, Thabo are all fit great on our system. But at this point have little to no trade value. None can take over a game. None are the future SG for this long term either. Our entire rotation is filled with stop gap players and over achieving role players.

That's a risky approach to roster building.

[nybluemeadow]

I like what we did last night, unlike what we've done under Ferry overall.

There was no one IMO going to help us this upcoming season left after 15...

I agree that no one we could have drafted would have helped us much next year...

but you can't only draft with the very next season in mind. At some point you have to actually acquire talent for future use. Even if (ATLANTA Braves style) we know that talent might simply be moved in the future in trade.

Mack, Korver, Bazemore, Thabo are all fit great on our system. But at this point have little to no trade value. None can take over a game. None are the future SG for this long term either. Our entire rotation is filled with stop gap players and over achieving role players.

That's a risky approach to roster building.

Spurs don't build a team through trades.